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August 3, 2007 at 12:20:46

Proposed Cause Of The Minneapolis Bridge Collapse: Resonant Frequency From Freight Train Passing Below

by Rev. Bill McGinnis     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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I believe that the triggering event in the collapse of the Minneapolis bridge was a "sympathetic resonance" induced in the bridge by the freight train which was passing below it at the exact moment of the collapse. The train created an oscillating wave of pressure on a resonant frequency with the bridge. This pressure wave was then amplified greatly by its resonance with the bridge structure, causing the bridge to shake apart, almost explosively.

Here is the support for my proposed cause . . .

In an article on "resonance," Britannica.com observes:

"RESONANCE - in physics, relatively large selective response of an object or a system that vibrates in step or phase, with an externally applied oscillatory force. Resonance was first investigated in acoustical systems such as musical instruments and the human voice. An example of acoustical resonance is the vibration induced in a violin or piano string of a given pitch when a musical note of the same pitch is sung or played nearby.

"The concept of resonance has been extended by analogy to certain mechanical and electrical phenomena. Mechanical resonance, such as that produced in bridges by wind or by marching soldiers, is known to have built up to proportions large enough to be destructive, as in the case of the destruction of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge (q.v.) in 1940. Spacecraft, aircraft, and surface vehicles must be designed so that the vibrations caused by their engines or by their movement through air are kept to a safe minimum."

Source: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9063274/resonance

The reason that freight trains never caused this problem in this bridge before is that the sympathetic resonance depends on the exact relationship between the vibrations from the train and the structure/load/forces of the bridge. The exact combination necessary for collapse had not happened before yesterday, when traffic was slowed to a standstill and weight was redistributed by lane closings for bridge surface repairs.

The two quotations below prove that a freight train was passing under the bridge at the time, and that sympathetic resonance has previously been cited as the cause of another bridge collapse.

"A freight train was passing under the bridge when it collapsed and was cut in two, witnesses on the scene reported to MSNBC." Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20079534/?GT1=10252

"Arden Wilken on his website provides a significant example of the power of sympathetic resonance:
 
"The power of resonance can be seen dramatically in what occurred in 1940 to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in the State of Washington, USA. The wind created a tone as it blew across the valley, which happened to be the natural frequency of the bridge itself. This resonance created by the wind led to the total collapse of the bridge.

"A film of the bridge in the process of collapsing showed it undulating wildly in a continuous wave, appearing to be made out of ribbon instead of concrete and steel. The wind and the bridge sang together in sympathetic resonance. In this case, unfortunately, it was the destruction of the bridge because it could not incorporate the vibration." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_resonance

Other observations by eyewitnesses are consistent with this explanation. I watched on TV as one eyewitness reported that he heard a "great roar" as the bridge began to collapse. Not a "cracking sound" or a "breaking sound" as might have been expected, but a "great roar." Another eyewitness reported that a huge cloud of dust arose from the bridge as it was collapsing. This, too, is more consistent with sympathetic resonance than with simple structural failure.
 
Finally, this morning I saw that the center part of the bridge collapsed first, all by itself, disconnected from the two end parts. And then the two end parts collapsed. This tells us that all three parts of the bridge were affected independently by the same forces which caused the collapse; that the center part did not drag the other two parts down with it as it collapsed.

So this is my proposed explanation of the cause of the Minneapolis bridge collapse of August 1, 2007. I hope it is helpful.

Blessings to you. May God help us all.

       Rev. Bill McGinnis, Director - LoveAllPeople.org

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One Problem with your Teory...

That freight train seen under the bridge, and subsequently pinned?  That was just sitting there, as it had been for the previous 3 days.  That was not a train in motion.

by Talon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Friday, August 3, 2007 at 5:48:05 PM
 


Rev. Bill McGinnis is an Internet Christian minister, writer and publisher. He is Director of LoveAllPeople.org, a small private think tank in Alexandria, Virginia, and all of its related websites, including InternetChurchOfChrist.org,CommitteeForTheGoldenRule.org,CivicAmerican.com, and AmericanDemocrat.net. His agenda is to help maximize the happiness and well-being of all people. His blog is located at http://blog.myspace.com/revbillmcginnis
Rev. Bill McGinnisRev. Bill McGinnis is an Internet Christian minister, writer and publisher. He is Director of LoveAllPeople.org, a small private think tank in Alexandria, Virginia, and all of its related websites, including InternetChurchOfChrist.org,CommitteeForTheGoldenRule.org,CivicAmerican.com, and AmericanDemocrat.net. His agenda is to help maximize the happiness and well-being of all people. His blog is located at http://blog.myspace.com/revbillmcginnis

These reports and others say the train was running . . .

Chicago Tribune, United States - Aug 2, 2007
The bridge collapsed atop a freight train that was running on tracks along the river, according to Cable News Network.

Independent, UK - Aug 2, 2007
The collapse also occurred as a freight train was rumbling on the railway line along the river bank. A slab of masonry fell on one passing wagon, ...

Euronews.net, France - Aug 1, 2007
Several vehicles are also on fire and there are reports that a freight train passing underneath was been crushed by the impact. ...

Wyoming Tribune, WY - 13 hours ago
... Interstate 35W bridge, a major Minneapolis thoroughfare, fell more than 60 feet into the Mississippi River and on top of a passing freight train. ...

Charlotte Sun-Herald, FL - Aug 2, 2007
PS A fully loaded freight train was rumbling beneath the bridge at the time of collapse. Forty years of train traffic adjacent to the bridge supports ...

by Rev. Bill McGinnis (87 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Friday, August 3, 2007 at 8:55:33 PM
 


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The Reports...

... Are wrong.  That is a rail-yard there, not a rail-way.  I live in the area and drive that bridge on a daily basis.  Think about it, if that was a moving train and then 3 cars were pinned suddenly by a bridge, why is there no de-railment on either side of the bridge?  One answer, it was not moving.

<> As I said, having been through there that day and the two days prior, those cars were unmoved for DAYS.

by Talon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, August 4, 2007 at 1:53:49 AM
 


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Remember...

Many of these same reports call I-35W the main artery connecting Minneapolis to St.Paul, when I-35W never comes anywhere NEAR St.Paul.

 <>Notice, you will find no StarTribune or Pioneer Press report saying there was a moving train, as they are local papers that know the area and know that train was not moving.  Just because the 'AP' sees some train cars, claim it's passing under based on that image when they write their article, and then all the papers print that same article across the nation unedited doesn't make the mistake in the report right.

by Talon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, August 4, 2007 at 2:04:38 AM
 


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If you read my OpEd ..

you'll notice I mention the RR trestle.  IT is well built. I would cross that in preference, on foot, no railings, to the I-35 bridge.  Those trains have been moving freight on a poorly constructed bridge a very long time. The Minnesota Department of Transport of course bears SOME responsibilty in the long term maintenance, but we must not forget .. this was a federal project and they did a very poor job of planning.  And what's more, it was SO bad, people cottoned on to that fact.

 Again, the "cause" was a rush to put that highway through; people be damned.   It was a result of PORKBARRELING by HHHumphrey.  And that is true.

 I've been thinking about it, and I'll be the University of Minnesota paper, The Minnesota Daily, will have photos of our demonstrations against the feds (the HUD official coming to visit was our chance to get VOCAL) when they came after tearing up Seven Corners ... dating back to 1969.  That bridge has been a community flashpoint since it was built, carrying inappropriate amounts of people and ripping up all the community fiber that had built up NATURALLY over the years.  I had businesses on both sides of that river ...

 If I were in Minnesota, I would be out there organizing AGAIN .. this time all the mothers to keep these kids away from the highway. It is diabolic.  Always has been.

 The wiki entry on the bridge is full of  maps showing just how crazily they built it to accomodate developers . and that was before it got REALLY bad in that area of town.

by ladybroadoak (37 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 390 comments) on Saturday, August 4, 2007 at 1:45:39 AM
 


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Google Earth

44°58′44″N, 93°14′42″W

On the north side, you will see how rail cars are constantly parked around/under the bridge. 

by Talon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Saturday, August 4, 2007 at 2:24:45 AM
 


Rev. Bill McGinnis is an Internet Christian minister, writer and publisher. He is Director of LoveAllPeople.org, a small private think tank in Alexandria, Virginia, and all of its related websites, including InternetChurchOfChrist.org,CommitteeForTheGoldenRule.org,CivicAmerican.com, and AmericanDemocrat.net. His agenda is to help maximize the happiness and well-being of all people. His blog is located at http://blog.myspace.com/revbillmcginnis
Rev. Bill McGinnisRev. Bill McGinnis is an Internet Christian minister, writer and publisher. He is Director of LoveAllPeople.org, a small private think tank in Alexandria, Virginia, and all of its related websites, including InternetChurchOfChrist.org,CommitteeForTheGoldenRule.org,CivicAmerican.com, and AmericanDemocrat.net. His agenda is to help maximize the happiness and well-being of all people. His blog is located at http://blog.myspace.com/revbillmcginnis

Maybe Resonant Frequency Came From Jackhammers

It now appears to me that the reports about a moving freight train were wrong, and that the cars were actually parked motionless at the time of the collapse. The Minneapolis Star-Tribune has a photo of the bridge and freight cars taken from an airliner about three hours before the collapse, and this photo seems to show the freight cars in the same place they were in after the collapse. So this would indicate that they were not moving. (The URL is too long to be shown here.)

Nevertheless, I still suspect resonant frequency as the proximate cause (triggering event) of the collapse. Jackhammers were reportedly in use at the time, and they too could have been the source of the frequency. Believing that the train was in motion, as reported, I first thought that the train would be a stronger source of vibrations than the jackhammers. But if the train was not moving, the jackhammers become the prime suspect, in my (imperfect) opinion.  

 

by Rev. Bill McGinnis (87 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Sunday, August 5, 2007 at 11:53:09 AM
 


Rev. Bill McGinnis is an Internet Christian minister, writer and publisher. He is Director of LoveAllPeople.org, a small private think tank in Alexandria, Virginia, and all of its related websites, including InternetChurchOfChrist.org,CommitteeForTheGoldenRule.org,CivicAmerican.com, and AmericanDemocrat.net. His agenda is to help maximize the happiness and well-being of all people. His blog is located at http://blog.myspace.com/revbillmcginnis
Rev. Bill McGinnisRev. Bill McGinnis is an Internet Christian minister, writer and publisher. He is Director of LoveAllPeople.org, a small private think tank in Alexandria, Virginia, and all of its related websites, including InternetChurchOfChrist.org,CommitteeForTheGoldenRule.org,CivicAmerican.com, and AmericanDemocrat.net. His agenda is to help maximize the happiness and well-being of all people. His blog is located at http://blog.myspace.com/revbillmcginnis

Look again: it's a big, active railroad yard!

I took a look at the site of the parked freight cars under the north ramp of 35W on Google Maps, and this isn't just some little temporary parking place for a few freight cars! It looks to me like a big, active railroad yard, with fairly large groups of freight cars coming and going frequently, passing under the ramp and sending  their powerful vibrations into the foundation of the bridge. So who knows what might have actually been moving under the bridge at the time of collapse?  The next step would be to identify the name of the railroad operating the yard, and look at the records of trains movements on the day of the collapse. CNN? Minneapolis Star-Tribune?

If you go to Google Maps, set it to "hybrid," and enter this in the "search maps box:  979805, -93.242348 - you will see what I saw.

 

by Rev. Bill McGinnis (87 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Monday, August 6, 2007 at 6:58:51 AM
 

 

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