Curtain Time for Sour Grapes Clinton Supporters - Part Deux

Obama is the nominee and will win the White House. Time to grow up past the maturity of a three year old and deal with it instead of penning these ridiculous sour grapes conspiracy articles against Obama.

by Steven Leser (210 articles, 44 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1384 comments) on Sunday, May 18, 2008 at 10:24:10 AM
 

Curtain time for Barack Obama - Part V

This is grim stuff indeed.  And it will be a sad day for our country if Obama wins the general election  But when disillusionment falls over those kids who are now following him like he's a Pied Piper, it will be an even sadder day.  Those kids are looking at this guy as "the answer." His message of "hope" is false and only points out the need for an end to this current Democratic Party.  It's time for a new party to form.  If that happens, then maybe this Obama mess will have caused some good.  It's not that he's unfit to be President; it's that ultimately he's unfit to be the kind of President he claims he wants to be.  Thank you Evelyn for shattering the Obama Illusion.  Your story might not be in the mainstream media for millions to read and discuss, but that's o.k., too. Truth is like that, waiting to be discovered by those who care enough to seek it out.

by Suza Eliz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Sunday, May 18, 2008 at 8:37:27 PM
 

Whoa! stop the presses!

Gee, this is a reeeeally important story!  Though I'm not sure it's worth so many words.  Sort of like doing a needlepoint of a gnat.  And this is "Part V"?  Well, we do live in America, and free speech is free speech, to be defended to America's last breath.  But maybe some of your time and intellect might be spent on touting your own candidate rather than constantly tearing down the opposition over minor associations that might have occurred years ago which have nothing to do with the crucial issues of these days.  If you want to influence people, that is.  And isn't that the point of political commentary, to influence others?  I believe that's one of the changes that Obama is trying to effect.

by Rrrandy-Steve (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 16 comments) on Sunday, May 18, 2008 at 11:27:57 PM
 

Obama's activities

For your information, Obama is still a smoothly functioning part of the Rezko/Auchi/General Mediterranean Syrian mafia criminal enterprise.

Obama and his associates have destroyed democracy in Illinois.  Still going to vote for this scum? 

 

by John Ryskamp (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 11 comments) on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 1:52:07 PM
 

From tattered curtain to window of opportunity in BaracK

The comments on Obama in the article do not raise to the level of a serious response because they are a rehash of the Lesko thing, done thinly veiled by implication, the rest of her case for why it is curtain time for Obama, are the political contributions from people who at that time had not been charged with anything, at no time in her 'report' does Pringle provide any compelling information to substantiate her argument, only innuendo by the side of real wrong doing by some previous Obama's contributors to his campaign, to ascertain if Obama did anything wrong it is the job of the officials doing the investigation and not ours. IMO it should be exposed for what it is, a 'hit piece' from an obvious Clinton supporter/operative amazingly timed for just before the Kentucky and Oregon primaries, with the eyes in the former for another Billary blowout with which to make their case to the superdelegates that Obama is unelectable. That's how I see it.

Dorinda says, we are three above represent many from 'GrassRoots4Obama', who are continually amazed by progressives as Pringle who align as detractors of this only choice for changing the crash course of the past eight years of history experienced under the neocon Bush regime of hate. Esther is 83, a retired educator and editor/writer, Aurora is a political theorist/strategist in the Latino/Indigenous community and mentors with many projects including immigration, a radio talk show, and co-moderates several internet lists, and Dorinda, having engaged briefly with Evelyn Pringle in the recent past is surprised by this arrogance from a professed ally.

Dorinda, an elder in the La Raza/Native community, named in "Feminists That Changed America 1063-1975, and known globally as a peace advocate, serving as U.S. spokesperson for Israel/Palestine Peace March, WILPF, 2003, 'Concerned Migrants WorldWide', 2007-2008, and Hope 2009, a project representing students of color from throughout the continent seeking citizenship and justice. These are a microcosm of campaigns that look to Obama as the only chance to pursue national and global change.  She asks, 'Where is the thinking of our progressive allies that fit the saying heard daily from those few friendly pundits taking on the poison pundits attacking Obama, these so called friends of the people of the poor, the disenfranchised, the left, are 'snatching defeat from the jaws of victory', in this irresponsible charges filled with prejudice that miss the mark of changes needed for the 21st century.

At the very least, Pringle should admit this is a slanted pro Hillary piece that serves keeping the status quo of the past two decades that repeat the stranglehold of white power of the centuries of U.S. plantation mentality. Barack Obama breaks the mold of this archaic clutching of leadership that assists in turning the pages of past history into a new world worthy of the new generations. The young people leading in support for Obama are not jaded by the discrimination of the past. They wish breaking from the errors of neocolonization and neoconservative heirarchies, and forging a new America worthy of respect from within and also how the rest of the world views her. 'Curtains?' Barack is going to get the nomination. That should define the actions of all progressives. And, I'd say that it there is no room for neither 'iron curtains', 'lace or ragged worn out curtains', but a transparant window of opportunity that an Obama presidency offers all citizen's in starting over with a clean slate of promise.

Respectfully submitted
Dorinda Moreno
GrassRoots4Obama

by dorinda moreno (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 12:30:16 AM
 

Curtain time for Barack Obama - Part V

Sadly, one thing I've noticed.  Obama supporters consistently feel the need to stomp on any criticism of their candidate and hang negative labels (and that's an understatement) on any Obama critics and, of course, any supporters of Hillary Clinton.  But despite the stompings and hanging labels (kinda like chads, no?), the friends of Barack Obama, the political associates of Barack Obama, and the patronage activities of Barack Obama with ties to The Combine have been documented by both the Chicago Trib and the Sun Times.  If only Obama's "missing" Illinois State Senate records would show up, not doubt needing to be reconstituted from the work of a shredder, more elements of the puzzle would fall into place.  Sure Evenlyn Pringle supports Clinton.  So what?  The Chicago papers were on this story way back to 2005.  Obama's deep involvement in this corruption mess is deliberately hidden from national view by a willing press that is "in love."  Those of us who have no need to be in love with the President, especially those of us lifelong Democrats who've been voting since the late 60s, have seen the power of the press to "protect" a candidate from public scrutiny in action.  Obama is the self-declared candidate of "transparency" among other virtues.  But whenever a member of the press attempts to open a window into Obama's past, it's crunch time by the "movement's" steamrollers.  I say, let us hear the story.  I'm here because my own hometown papers, the NYTimes, Daily News, NYPost, etc., could not bring themselves to pick up the stories in the Chicago papers.  Their op ed pieces are heavy with anti-Clinton venom and their blogs are overrun with Obama booster sound-alikes, making me wonder if some sort of mind altering drug has been distributed to produce such Manson-Family-like "enthusiasm."  I can no longer believe what I hear in my hometown press or on the t.v. news, so I came here and found something very, very different, but something which is in step with the Chicago home town papers.  For goodness' sake, testimony was given in court that the order had been given to get rid of the prosecutor in the Rezko case, Patrick Fitzgerald. I think Evelyn is on to something and by giving her extremely detailed account in five parts (I hope there's a 6th, 7th, 8th and as many as it takes to keep the story going), by giving her story in five parts, she has done what she could to keep this story alive. Fight the "trance" and try to  keep an open mind.  You just might be doing something for your country.

by Suza Eliz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 8:39:58 AM
 

One of the most interesting facts

I took from this series is that Obama had the power as a state legislator to push through and approve the criteria for the two panels or commissions or committees upon which Evelyn Pringle focused. He used his office to help shape easier consensus on these boards (reducing the number of members).  Thereby allowing the corrupt processes we see playing out in court today in Chicago.  That's why the campaign contributions are important.  Like the Rezko strip of land deal illustrates, it's a matter of you sniff my butt, i'll sniff yours and we'll both get what we want, off the record.  No wonder Obama called it a bone-headed mistake.  It became public knowledge.

by NettieMae (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 25 comments) on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 9:54:10 AM
 

That has actually been debunked ad infinitum

on the net

by Steven Leser (210 articles, 44 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1384 comments) on Sunday, May 25, 2008 at 9:54:32 AM
 

Oh, good!

    can you provide the source link?  thanks

by NettieMae (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 25 comments) on Monday, May 26, 2008 at 9:01:37 AM
 

Why Obama is Not Electable

Evelyn, thanks for great investigative work. Even if Obama is able to escape from the board games scandal, Shelby Steele makes some good arguments in his recent book on Obama. As long as Obama keeps the mask on and continues as a "bargainer" he can keep whites happy and to a certain point gain white voters. After 8 years of Republican mess, people are hungry for what Obama represents (hope and change). However, voters also need to know who is Barack Obama. If Obama is the democratic nominee he will be challenged in the general election to answer this question. If he does no answer it he will lose.  

by Elsa Gonzales (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 10:12:08 AM
 

It's time to realize that you all have been bamboozled!

Sometimes I don’t know if I am going to cry or laugh when I hear Obama –worshipers like Steven Laser or Dorinda Moreno vigorously defend their false prophet. Please try to get it right from start. I am not a Clintonite or a Repug
or some ardent Obama-basher.
Yet still, did you folks know the followings about your precious Obama:
1. He is knee-deep in shit. Literally. The Rezko trial won’t blow away and according to pundits he is the only candidate with an FBI(!) indictment hanging over his had. Please don’t believe me. Check for yourself.
>2. Obama is by far the most inexperienced candidate in US electoral history.
3. Nafta – gate.. No further explanations are necessary..
4. His alleged ties to the weather underground movement and former terrorists making inflicting remarks on 9/11. (It’s just pure disgrace taken from ANY candidate, not the mention Obama who is running for POTUS! )  
5. The Wright affair. It’s not about the preacher. It’s about Sen. Obamas so called “superior judgment” or the lack of it – being member of a bigot, racist community for more then 20 years…
6. If Obama suffers from his” foot into mouth disease” than it’s nothing compared with that walking talking disaster : Michelle Obama.
And that’s so far with a freshmen rookie senator barely aware of the rules of the Capitolium but ready to vote present just after inauguration day…
7. And finally how about that cozy slogan: “ Change we can believe in”  - sounds good, ya?!  So what's his plan? I consulted The Audacity of Hope, his political book, and found it full of rhetoric such as "what's needed is a broad majority of Americans -- Democrats, Republicans, and independents of goodwill -- who are re-engaged in the project of national renewal" and "we need a new kind of politics, one that can excavate and build upon those shared understandings," etc., etc. But how will he actually bring about this political transformation as president? He warns that it won't be easy. He says it will require "tough choices" and "courage." OK, but WHAT'S THE PLAN? "This isn't to say I know exactly how to do it," he writes. "I don't." Oh. I'm not sure if this is disarming modesty or outrageous bullshit? You have been bamboozled, suckers!

by Karl Benjamin Nowak (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 11:05:00 AM
 

Its sad when stuff that has been debunked again and again

still shows up in discussions like this. Organizations like factcheck.org and Snopes.com among others have debunked every accusation in Pringle's series and everything in this response you wrote.

The good news is, that wont work, not this time!

by Steven Leser (210 articles, 44 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1384 comments) on Sunday, May 25, 2008 at 9:57:12 AM