Pringle's True Colors

by politicjock (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 6 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 9:25:23 AM
 

You're accusing Pringle, of the same nonsense you engage in

We're all biased, one way or another.  Bias has some effect on the search for truth.  But it's also, ultimately, meaningless.  The mere fact that Pringle is presumbaly a Cinton supporter, is not a satisfactory case against her charges.  The charges are either true or false.  Similarly, your support of Obama is, believe it or not, not proof that he's pure and inncent of all charges leveled against him. 

by johncp (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 14 comments) on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 5:53:22 PM
 

Barack for President!

Thanks Evelyn, now I'm supporting Barack Obama even more.  Your guilt-by-donation argument is sad, and makes Obama supporters like me even more determined to support him against the likes of you.

Next you can write about how I gave the Obama campaign another $100 in your honor.

It is amazing how people like Evelyn are using the same tactics against Obama that they objected to sooo much when they were used by the Repugs against Bill Clinton.  Very sad indeed.

 

by John R Moffett (78 articles, 14 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 587 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 9:25:47 AM
 

Not so fast..!

What I’ve heard lately he will never become the President of The United States. Not now, not ever.So be a nice guy and spoil some more of your precious hard earned dosh on a hopefully stillborn campaign. By the way I would love to see your already sour look turned harsher after Mr. Obamas concession speech on Nov 5.     

by Karl Benjamin Nowak (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 10:10:48 AM
 

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I agree.  Ms. Pringle, along with other Hillary supporters, has given me the incentive to donate money in the triples to Obama.

by Helen (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 17 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 6:26:28 PM
 

Curtains for Barack?

Hope so.  It's hard not to wonder why dozens of corrupt, indicted, shady characters repeatedly gave to Obama's campaign and still Obama maintains his "What, me?  Corrupt?" stance by vowing he knew nothing about nothing.  As John Kass of the Chicago Trib says, Obama was deliberately "punching his ticket" on the way up by connecting with each of these rats in turn. (search for the Kass article "Obama Unstained by Chicago Way")  You know, when you swim with the sharks, you're no dolphin.  Obama, with his silver-tongue and his designer suits, is the perfect face to front for this group.  And his high-sounding "ideals" are the perfect cover for the slime he and his friends worked so hard to create.  Go Evelyn!

by Suza Eliz (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 11:52:49 AM
 

More Racist Lies Written To Divide Us. Don't Be Fooled

Page 300 and counting of more of this person's despicible racism written to divide us and elect MadCain. Vote for whomever you want to, but don't be fooled by this garbage pretinding to be objective. The main thing is to defeat the republican criminals in November. The writer definitely has a future at Fox, where racism is appreciated and rewarded. Vote early and often Comrades.

by James Cordray (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 43 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 5:11:55 PM
 

You're drowning in your nonsense

You don't care about "unity," you care about getting your way.  It's not the repubs you want most to defeat, it's the Hillary folk.   If you think you can piss on Hillary, and exalt your Obamagoon squad, then come back to the Hillary-folk, and beg for our votes to help you against McCain, you're dumber than you sound.

by johncp (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 14 comments) on Monday, May 19, 2008 at 6:28:22 PM
 

hmm Obama or Hillary "lobbyists are people too" Clinton?

 Obama

has won 15 landslides to Hillary's 3,

he's won 12 double digit victories to Hillary's 7

 has won 32 contests to Hillary's 16

Lets see, shall I choose:

Pro War Hillary, or anti war Obama, 

Hillary and her lobbyist donors, or Obama and his 1.5 million individual donors, which include myself?

Obama, or Hillary, whose spouse has made money lobbying for foreign countries (shady uranium deal), the secret (Saudi) donors to the Clinton library, Hillary's uncanny ability to massively fail at getting universal health care in an 8 year period (part of her vast experience)?

Hillary who can't manager her campaign debt how will she run a country, or Obama whose campaign debts are paid and  has plenty of money in the bank?

Hillary who hired lots of male advisors, one who also was lobbying for Columbia while advising Hillary?

Tuzla sniper fire Hillary, or no drama Obama?

Gun toting hunting Hillary, throws back shots of Crown Royal, when in the south feigns a southern drawl Hillary? Or Obama who stays the same, from state to state?

Hillary who favors McCain over Obama, and endorses same policies (vote to declare Iranaian armies terrorists, Bush's dream come true), and her pandering vote of "gas tax holiday"? Save $30 per person while more bridges collapse? Or Obama who will talk to the voters as if they DO have a brain and CAN see through the pandering?

If you notice, there is a segment of Clinton supporters who have a big dream of a women being elected, there's another segment who thinks they are electing Bill to his third term, and then there's that racially motivated segment as seen in parts of WVA.  The latter voted for Bush in 2004, and will vote for McInsane in 2008. 

To see more apologists who claim to support Hillary but will out of revenge vote for the republican John McCain and 100 more years of war, see the really right wing group at HillaryIs44 . I won't provide the link, you can find it yourself. You will see sick stuff like the posters claiming Obama is a secret Muslim, lots of racist crap, and posters urging donations to McCain. Probably a sort of cointel pro op. 

Hillary's support is not as solidly democratic and not as solid as to carry over to the November GE.  Worse, the media and republicans have sat quietly  and praised her instead of their usual, because they plan to air all of her dirty laundry (and Bills's) old and new if given the opportunity. Worse, Hillary's campaign has greatly alienated a large portion of the black voters, a big big mistake.

Her campaign is in big debt of at least $20 million, and likely growing at $1 million a day, yet there's talk that someone should bail her out of that debt.  Even Mitt Romney didn't ask someone to pay off his debts. Hillary and Bill have earned $109 million (God bless us rich people) since leaving the whitehouse, not including about $25 million Bill is not required to report. And the money went to negative ads tearing down a fellow democrat.

 

by Laura Roslin (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 32 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 5:21:14 PM
 

June 30 2003 A Good Day for Obama!

An hours research has shown that June 30 was a good day for senator Obama...sort of.

Abboud, Anthony donated $500 on June 30, 2003

Abdalla, Mustafa donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Aramanda, Joseph donated $500 on June 30, 2003

Ata, Ali donated $5,000 on June 30, 2003

Barta, James donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Butler, Velma donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Carriatore, Joseph donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Carriglio, Jack donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Chaib, Al donated $5,000 on June 30, 2003

Chipparoni, Guy donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Davis, Allison Pres. Davis Group the group donated $6,000 on June 30, 2003

Di Benedetto, Vincent donated $10,000 on June 30, 2003

Dibble, Kelly donated $250 on June 30, 2003

Farahati, Mandan donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Gustman, Lisa donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Lannen, Kathy donated $2,500 on June 30, 2003

Malek, Michel donated $10,000 on June 30, 2003

Malook, Elie donated $10,000 on June 30, 2003

Mesi, Philip donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Nammari, Suheil donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Othman, Talat donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Pollock, Martello donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Ray, Paul donated $3,000 on June 30, 2003

Sirazi, Semir donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Smith, Jacqueline donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Sreenan, Michael donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

Wade, Deloris donated $1,000 on June 30, 2003

Winter, Michael donated $3,000 on June 30, 2003

Wislow, Susan donated $2,000 on June 30, 2003

All known associates of Tony Rezko or otherwise involved in "Operation Board Games" All found in a very short amount of time by a totally untrained person like me, and they donated a total of $80,750 to Obama on one day alone. Can you really say the association isn't worth taking a look at what else happened that day let alone on other days?

by POdVet (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 5:32:00 PM
 

Faulty logic and out of balance

This logic has Obama ruining his career, credibility and campaign for $80,000 when he has an average of $10 million dollars a day coming in?

It's hard to swallow PodVet, that this teensie amount of money coming in from Rezko's crooked pals are talking louder then the million plus donors who want Obama to clean up politics.

If, as you imply, Obama does favors for those who donate to his campaign, then his priorities should lie with middle class Americans, not Rezko's pals because this $80,000 represents only .03% of his campaign total.

By your own logic, Obama should be answering to the donors who contributed the other 99.97%.

Who are they? The greatest number of campaign contributors in history making the smallest average donation amount in history. These are over one million Americans, somewhat younger and more educated then Clinton's or McCain's supporters.

Also, I notice you just began commenting on OpEd News two days ago, to talk up about Pringle's articles, joining others who have only joined this site very recently and represent the few positive comments on her obvious hatchet jobs. It would be more believable if you commented on a few other articles too, such as those pertaining to the GI Bill controversy, veteran's rights, military benefits, etc.

It's almost as if you were pals of Pringle, or maybe even Pringle herself! I hope I'm wrong...if so, please do branch out a bit more and see how much better writing OpEd News has to offer.

by Gustav Wynn (45 articles, 32 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 215 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 9:31:08 PM
 

Hill supporters whine

 ...A whole LOT. As someone who still hasn't decided WHO to vote for in the General election, I can sure eliminate Hillary fast. Her main deficit, Bill CLinton. Yes, I voted for Bill but what I have learned about him and his laws sent through, I simply find him one of the traitors. You say, well, it's Hill running , not Bill. I say, Hill will no doubt use Bill and his wisdom and their pillow talk won't be about Monica, flowers, Paula or any of the many others. NAFTA, Crimes Bill Act, and expansion of the failed DEA, and the ass kissing he did with the repubs to cut down on our military  bases so the military "privatization" could occur (and has most certainly with Bush), and, the way Bill turned a blind eye on Wm Kristol's PNAC plan and let that slip through the legislation. Ppl supporting Hillary are ignorant of the true Clintonism that actually set Bush up for all he has accomplished. Read up. Wise up.

Obama is NOT a "plant of the terrorists" like yall keep trying to say or hint!! I hear it all the time. Hell, if he is a plant, our great and wonderful CIA and FBI sure are slacking. 40 yrs in this country and now running for Prez? OMD. please, ppl. Wise the hell up.

I find Hillary supporters more like McCain every day. Hill isn't a Democrat. She says she wants to "obliterate" Iran. She says "Liberal activists like me are hindering HER election". Well, guess what? NARAL just endorced Obama. The Liberal Kennedys endorced Obama. John Edwards supports Obama. Even Ron Paul supporters said Obama before the others if they don't write in Ron. The Liberal activist base is the true Democratic party--the real Democrats established way back.

Contributors to Obama? What about Rupert Murdoch (Fox news and Wash Journal Newspaper owner) has contributed to Hill. Blackwater Usa has contributed to Hill. Bill Clinton goes on Rush limbaugh and supports his "operation chaos". Seems to me Bush's contributors are contributing to Hillary.  She ain't no Democrap! You all have been duped if you thunk Hill is Democrat.

I may kill 2 birds with one stone and vote a black woman for president, Cynthia McKinney. I just know for sure I won't vote for Hillary or McCain, they are "of" the same.

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 198 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 6:32:33 PM
 

What a load of guilt by association/donation crap!

This long-winded smear is too disgraceful for words other than those related to fecal matter. I have observed the amoral Clintons for more than  thirty years. They are not only sociopaths; they are also supreme lawyers well versed in covering their own scurrilous tracks. Pringle's long-winded, convoluted tale of Obama's turban clad criminal associates has a major missing ingredient.....CREDIBILITY! Bill and Hillary are dirty fighters and would stop at nothing to WIN. If Pringles tale could derail Obama it would have happened YESTERDAY! Get Real. I hope Rob isn't paying her by the word.

by Roy Murtishaw (11 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 78 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 7:01:56 PM
 

Hillary supporters' Sour Grapes know no Bounds

Aesop is somewhere smiling right now.

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Once upon a time there was a fox strolling through the woods.
He came upon a grape orchard.  There he found a bunch of
beautiful grapes hanging from a high branch.

"Boy those sure would be tasty," he thought to himself.
He backed up and took a running start, and jumped.
He did not get high enough.

He went back to his starting spot and tried again.
He almost got high enough this time, but not quite.

He tried and tried, again and again, but just couldn't get high
enough to grab the grapes.

Finally, he gave up.

As he walked away, he put his nose in the air and said:
"I am sure those grapes are sour.

Moral
 IT IS EASY TO SCORN WHAT YOU CANNOT GET. (SL note: i.e. the Presidency)

by Steven Leser (186 articles, 34 quicklinks, 31 diaries, 1251 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 7:28:23 PM
 

There are honest crooks and dishonest crooks.

I'm not ready to give up on Obama yet.  I don't think Obama is a sociopath.  If he is, he is a very good one.  Hillary and Bill are habitual and casual liars.  That is almost always a sign of psychopathy.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 775 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 9:39:42 PM
 

I have serious questions dont you?

Wynn: "This logic has Obama ruining his career, credibility and campaign for $80,000 when he has an average of $10 million dollars a day coming in?"

 

As should be rather noticeable, those donations he recieved are not recent when he is raking in millions most of it coming from bundlers and pac's btw. But it was in June 2003 when he had staked his viability as a candidate on being able to raise $1 Million by the end of June 2003. And these are not the only questionable things Senator Obama has done. I am not for Obama as I will freely admit, because he has proven to be duplicitou. Consider his Be a Democrat for a day campaign early in the race, where he urged Republicans and Independents to vote against Hillary by voting for him then they could go back to their real candidates. His claim of not accepting money from lobbyists...as long as you dont include Lawyers who's partners are lobbyists, doesn't include corporations that have major lobbying operations in Washington as long as the lobbyist isn't the one handing them the money. Doesn't include lobbyists who ply their trade in such state capitals as Springfield, Ill.; Tallahassee, Fla.; and Sacramento, though some deal with national clients and issues.

"Clearly, the distinction is not that significant," said Stephen Weissman of the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan think tank that focuses on campaign issues.
"He gets an asterisk that says he is trying to be different," Weissman said. "But overall, the same wealthy interests are funding his campaign as are funding other candidates, whether or not they are lobbyists."

Also consider In the list of earmarks he requested, $1 Million was requested for the construction of a new hospital pavilion at the University Of Chicago. The request was put in in 2006.
You know who works for the University of Chicago Hospital?
Michelle Obama. She’s vice president of community affairs.
In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office.

Now I freely admit it was a link to Ms Pringle's article that brought me here in the first place. I had never heard of the site before, but rest assured it will not be the only articles I comment on. And I've stated on several other sites, that if Senator Obama can explain a few things rather than the MSM shielding him from answering I would be open to changing my opinion on him, but I'm sorry, saying the deal with Rezko was "A boneheaded thing to do" does not cut it for me.

by POdVet (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments) on Friday, May 16, 2008 at 10:24:58 PM
 

Serious Questions

by Gustav Wynn (45 articles, 32 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 215 comments) on Sunday, May 18, 2008 at 12:58:37 AM
 

weighing the possibilities

Wynn: But how badly and how many times compared to our other choices? How can you bring up ethics reform without noting that Obama has been stronger then the other two in calling for greater government accountability and transparency? Pringle's blindsight of McCain/Clinton's own duplicitous acts is so glaring, it nullifies all her effort. How can you argue Obama is no good without weighing your alternatives?

 

In spring of 2007 the Obama campaign began their "Democrat for a Day" efforts urging Republicans and independents to violate state laws and vote in the Democratic primaries and vote against Clinton by voting for Obama, then they could rejoin their true party and vote for whoever they wanted in the GE. There is verifiable evidence that this happened in Florida, Nevada, Texas, California, Ohio, and Pennsylvania at the very least. Emails and Flyer's from these abound on the net as well as articles in several newspapers and even on HuffPo. That in my eyes is in direct conflict with the morals of the Democratic Party! I am not just blindly following my choice of a candidate in Clinton, I know full well all the things that have been said about her, I also know the Republicans spent $5 Billion investigating them and ended up with a stained dress. I've researched Peter Paul v Clinton, and it is a frivilous lawsuit brought by a 4 time felon who got mad when Bill wouldn't work for him after they found out he was a felon. I wouldn't work for him either and I could really use the money. I checked on all the candidates, and frankly the best actualy would probably be Nader, but he couldn't get elected if all the other candidates died the day before the election! McCain has a worse associate than rev Wright if Wright was at every Obama rally preaching his white hate. Frankly McCain's friend Haggee is the religious fanatic mirror image of Hitler, rather than wanting all jews dead like Hitler, Haggee wants everyone who doesn't support the Jewish state dead. I seriously spent several days surfing the web and checking everything I could find that was verifyable on the Candidates and one thing stands out above all others for me. Hillary Clinton has over 30 yrs of doing volunteer work (long before she ever thought about politics) doing pro-bono legal work, donating time and money, even taking pay cuts to work less hours to devote more time to the issues I care about like child advocacy, workers rights, and minority rights. She has fought for universal health care even when the insurance companies spent millions on lobbyists and tv ad's making false claims against her, and stood up to the Republican smear machine that was aimed at her. She never gave up, and even now though she has toned it down some, hers is still the only plan that covers everyone. I'll stop now before this become an article itself.

by POdVet (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 23 comments) on Sunday, May 18, 2008 at 6:01:29 PM
 

Your imbalance hurts your arguments

Obama used this as a strategy to appeal to Republicans in Florida which is not supposed to be counted, as well as California which he lost. The real knock on this strategy according to HuffPo was that anti-Hillary statements (which I haven't seen) supposedly appeared on 100 fliers in an isolated Nevada precinct before they were changed. Obama lost Nevada however.

Compare this to the 100,000 votes Hillary received in Ohio from Republicans who illegally switched parties for a day, giving her the win, as instructed by right wing hatemonger Rush Limbaugh and aided by Richard Mellon Scaife. In Ohio, ballots explicitly state voters cannot cross over purely for "strategic" purposes.

Then let's compare how many Republicans crossed over for Hillary in Pennsylvania and Indiana to how many crossed over for Obama. If you do this, you'll see that bringing up the "Democrat for a Day" complaint is a mistake because Hillary has benefited from this far more then Obama, giving her wins in big states and continuing presently.

Also do not talk about the morals of the Democratic Party unless you are prepared to shine a light on Hillary's arrangement with party bosses for locked-in support before the people cast a single vote. Is that keeping with democratic morals or is it a me-first morality?

You can dismiss the Clinton's long list of scandals, but the right and their pals in the media are dying to face her in the fall where they can drag them all back out and spin them endlesssly. Most Democrats don't want to be defending immoral midnight pardons in November.

When you listed the highlights of Hillary's resume, you left off the serious negatives - her work on the board of Wal-Mart, the improprieties at Rose Law where the principals paid an employee to go to jail for them, according to a 2007 Greg Palast report. Her healthcare efforts here in NY have been laughable where she immediately caved in to big insurers and then started taking their dirty money.

I also posted an OpEd about Hillary refusing to help a NY environmental group close a coal plant and after they did it on their own, she took credit!

So don't paint her so rosily as a 30-year volunteer for child advocacy - she is also an unprincipled millionaire corporatist who figured out too late that regular Americans are the best source for cleaner campaign money after it was demonstrated for her.

Hillary is a real tough, determined person, but her Iraq war vote, her corporate ties (especially to big health) and her long list of negatives and scandals make her tough to support.

by Gustav Wynn (45 articles, 32 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 215 comments) on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 7:48:54 AM