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The racial hatred being promoted by Sarah Palin and the McCain campaign deserves comment. I have experienced this type of hatred on a very personal level. I am the youngest daughter of Viola Gregg Liuzzo, who was murdered by the KKK AND a paid FBI informant on March 25th, 1965 while participating in the Selma to Montgomery voting rights march. Let us promote positive race relations instead of hate speech, especially in a presidential campaign.
I find it appalling that someone who wants to lead our country would lower themselves to incite racial violence in an attempt to win a political campaign. Racism has been an ugly and shameful part of our country's history. We need to work together to heal the wounds racism has caused--not bring us backwards in our fight.
I also find it appalling that people in the McCain campaign are spreading rumors insinuating Barack Obama is of Arab decent, as if that in itself is a crime. Being from Detroit Michigan, I grew up in an area with a huge Arabic population. The Arab Americans that I have had contact with are decent people who love this country. They were devastated by the events of 09-11-2001 as proud Arab Americans. It is not right to condemn an entire group of people due to the actions of a few.
I saw Barack for the first time two or three years ago while he was promoting his book. This was long before his campaign for the presidency was announced. I remember thinking, "Who is this man? He is amazing!" There are not enough words to express how I feel about both Barack and Michelle Obama. If anyone can help heal race relations in this country, they can.
This campaign has been an emotional roller coaster for me. It has validated for me everything that my mother taught me. Although it has been 43 years since her death, the pain is still there. I still struggle with trying to keep my emotions under control. My mother's murder has never gotten much easier for me to talk about. As much as I miss her, I would not change a thing. I am so proud of her and the sacrifice she made for her fellow man. She taught me more in the six short years we were together, than many parents teach their children in a lifetime. She taught me to choose my friends by their character, not by their appearance or status. I have three children, my 19 year old twin daughters were born the same day my mother was killed, March 25th, twenty-four years later. She left a legacy that my family is passing on to our children. Hopefully in some small way, we can make this planet a better place for all of us.
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You are a jewel, Sally
I thank you with tears in my eyes. by Margaret Bassett (45 articles, 2909 quicklinks, 42 diaries, 1849 comments [99 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:29:57 AM  (0+)
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Reply: Reply to Margaret
Thank you for your comment Margaret. It is much appreciated! by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:09:08 PM (0+)
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Reply: Arizonans are becoming ASHAMED OF MC CAIN
This letters was written by Andrea in Chandler Arizona and sent in by her to the Arizona Republic, the largest paper in Arizona; it is so short and succinct, I see it as a model letter to the editor, and remarkable that it is coming from what should probably be the state with the very strongest levels for supporting McCain. Arizonans know McCain so well.... Andrea: keep up the good work and send it out even more widely, please! Racism is a scourge on our society. The McCain-Palin campaign is Andrea, Chandler, AZ. from ArizonansforObama@groups.barackobama.com by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:36:17 AM (0+)
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This is a vital, compelling article; please share it widely.
Happy to see it here, as I rec'd this as a letter to me from a member of Friends of Michelle Obama at mybarackobama.com; it was so articulate and important that I recommended the author post it at OpEdNews.com, and you all build on my faith in the editorial excellence at OpEdNews! I would like to see every person who reads this email it to at least ten people preferably in the 9 battleground states that went for Bush and now look like they will go for Obama. I want racists and closet racists and quiet neighborhood racists to read it. I am reminded of Gandhi's saying that if we all did that eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, soon the whole world would be blind, and that the right eye of India was Hindu and the left eye was Muslim..... Bravo, Sally! You send it out to, to newspapers in those states, but I am asking the readers to take the lion's share of the burden in getting this letter all over the United States, into even the most racist nooks and crannies of Alabama, the Georgia Mountains, Southern Indiana to the KKK Imperial Wizards, and in the white middle class suburbs. With Obama as President, we may bring a gradual natural demise to every racist heart and mind in America! by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:21:46 PM (0+)
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Reply: Reply to Stephen Fox
Thank you so much for your support of my views Stephen. This world needs more people like you!!!! by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:11:02 PM (0+)
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Heart felt
No word can express what I feel in my heart. I was a child at that time and I only know of some thing my Grandfather and other family members told me. But to hear it from someone that lived it leaves me filled with more questions. I want to know more and more. It's HISTORY FOR ALL. And if the people who are still acting out these sinful acts need to be put in prison and be ordered to study the histoy from 1700-2008 then maybe they will understand how wrong they are. by Gloretha Gray (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 18 comments) on Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:56:52 PM (0+)
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Reply: Reply to Gloretha
Thank you Gloretha for your reply. My eyes filled with tears when I read it. It is people like yourself, that prove to me my mom did not die in vain. I miss her every day........but I carry her spirit with me forever. No one can ever take that away from me. Blessings, Sally by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Sunday, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:37:00 PM (0+)
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WTF?
May I ask, what the freaking hell are you talking about, "The racial hatred being promoted by Sarah Palin and the McCain campaign..." ?? There is no racial hatred being spread by the McCain campaign. So, his mother was an unwed white girl of 17, his father was a black man, and his father was a Muslim, but the McCain campaign has never even mentioned that, because we all already know it and it doesn't matter anyway! (Mr. Obama's father was also a loser, who abandoned Barry and his mother while he was still a toddler, what like 2?, so Obama's father is what we call a "dead beat dad," and that transcends all color -- too many men have that habit, no matter their color or relgion!) John McCain adopted a black child with a handicap, for gosh sakes. How do you see that as making him a hateful racist? And by the way, Mr. Obama isn't even black -- he's what's called a mulatto. And that's not a derogatory term -- it's just a real word, the term used for any child of any mixed race. His mother is white, his father was black, that makes him a mulatto. And he was born in Hawaii, so he's no more "African American" than I am "Irish American" -- Irish ancestors, but born in New York. But big deal, who freaking cares? I'm with Martin Luther King, Jr., on this one: The color of one's skin doesn't matter, the content of their character matters. Let's just be intellectually honest -- if you don't like McCain and Palin for their political beliefs, then say so. But don't make up crap like this, because all you've offered is your first sentence, accusing them of racial hatred. I've seen no racial hatred from either campaign. I don't like Obama's political beliefs, but I wouldn't make up garbage like this. I'm sure Mr. Obama is a very nice guy, personally, I just don't believe he's the one to lead the best nation in the world. I can say that he's admired Marxism, and that he's probably a socialist, but I wouldn't make up crap about him, and I can't stand it when I see others say that "Obama is a closet Muslim," because again, I think it's crap, and let's stick to the real stuff, okay? by shielah jones (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 94 comments [8 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:23:01 AM (0+)
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Reply: tacit approval
! by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:41:18 PM (0+)
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Reply: An example of the hatred at Palin rally
Scranton Paper: Another Cry of 'Kill him!' at Palin Rally NEW YORK In a lenghty account of a Sarah Palin rally in Scranton, Pa. today, the local paper, the Times-Tribune, relates that at 1:25 p.m. just before she arrived, a candidate for Congress stepped on stage: "Chris Hackett addressed the increasingly feisty crowd as they await the arrival of Gov. Palin. by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:34:12 AM (0+)
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Thank you Sally
Barack Obama said that we should be the change we need. We need to speak out against racism and raise our children to see the content of one's character and not judge another because he or she may look different or pray differently than us. Thank you Sally for reminding us that we need to be the change we need. I am sorry you lost your mom - she did make a difference. by Kathy Walsh (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:54:43 AM (0+)
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Reply: Response to Kathy
Thank you for commenting Kathy. It is much appreciated. by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:53:39 PM (0+)
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photo of Viola and Wikipedia article;
Viola Fauver Gregg Liuzzo (April 11, 1925 – March 25, 1965) was a civil rights activist from the U.S. state of Michigan and mother of five, who was murdered by Ku Klux Klan members after the 1965 Selma to Montgomery marches in Alabama. One of the Klansmen in the car from which the shots were fired was a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) informant.[1] After her death, she was the subject of a smear campaign by the FBI. Liuzzo's name is one of those inscribed on a civil rights memorial in the state capital. She died at the age of 39. Viola Gregg was born in California, Pennsylvania, later moving with her family to Chattanooga, Tennessee at the age of six. After just one year of high school, she dropped out, was married in 1941 at the age of 16, then divorced within a year. In 1943, she married George Argyris, with this marriage lasting seven years and producing two children. She later married husband number three: Anthony Liuzzo, a Teamsters union business agent. While raising a family that added three more children, Liuzzo sought to return to school, attending the Carnegie Institute in Detroit, Michigan. She then enrolled part-time at Wayne State University in 1962, and was considered an average student who was academically still in her freshman year at the time of her death. In 1964, Liuzzo was cited and pleaded guilty to violating state law by keeping two of her children, 13-year-old Thomas and 10-year-old Anthony, out of school for more than 40 days. Liuzzo's basis for her actions was to protest raising the state's dropout age to 18. She was fined $50 and given a year's probation. The murder and funeral Liuzzo was horrified by the images of the aborted march at the Edmund Pettus Bridge on March 7. Nine days later, she took part in a protest at Wayne State, then called her husband to tell him she would be traveling to Selma, saying the struggle, "was everybody's fight." After the march concluded on March 25, Liuzzo, assisted by Leroy Moton, a 19-year-old African American, helped drive local marchers home in her 1963 Oldsmobile. After they dropped off their second load of people, a car full of Klan members in a blue Ford spotted Liuzzo's car at traffic lights, then gave chase for 20 miles. The Klan members then pulled up alongside Liuzzo's car and shot directly at her, hitting her twice in the head, killing her instantly. Moton was unharmed, but lay motionless when the Klansmen reached the car to check on their victims. After that car left, he began running, but was soon being chased by a red sports car before diving into a gully. Running back toward Montgomery for the next half hour, Moton eventually flagged down a truck driven by Rev. Leon Riley that was bringing civil rights workers back to Selma. On March 30, Liuzzo's funeral was held at Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic church in Detroit, with many prominent members of both the civil rights movement and government there to pay their respects. Included in this group were Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; NAACP executive director Roy Wilkins; Congress on Racial Equality national leader James Farmer; Michigan lieutenant governor William E. Milliken; Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa; and United Auto Workers president Walter Reuther. Less than two weeks after her death, a charred cross was found in front of four Detroit homes, including the Liuzzo residence. Arrest and legal proceedingsThe four Klan members in the car, Collie Wilkins (21), FBI informant Gary Rowe (34), William Eaton (41) and Eugene Thomas (42) were quickly arrested: within 24 hours President Lyndon Johnson appeared personally on national television to announce their arrest. The remaining three suspects were indicted for Liuzzo's death on April 22, with defense lawyer Matt Murphy quickly attempting to have the case dismissed on the grounds that President Johnson had violated the suspects' civil rights when he named them in his televised announcement. Murphy also indicated he would call Johnson as a witness during the upcoming trial. On May 3, an all-white jury was selected for Wilkins' trial, with Rowe the key witness. Three days later, Murphy made blatant racist comments during his final arguments, including calling Liuzzo a "white n-word," in order to sway the jury. The tactic was successful enough to result in a mistrial the following day (10-2 in favor of conviction), and on May 10, the three accused killers were part of a Klan parade which closed with a standing ovation for them. Before the new trial got underway, Murphy was killed in an automobile accident, on August 20, when he fell asleep while driving and crashed into a gas tank truck. The former mayor of Birmingham, Alabama Art Hanes agreed to take over representation for all three defendants one week later. Hanes was a staunch segregationist who served as mayor during the tumultuous 1963 period in which police commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor used fire hoses on African-American protesters. After another all-white jury was selected on October 20, the end result two days later saw the panel take less than two hours to acquit Wilkins in Liuzzo's slaying. The next phase of the lengthy process began when a federal trial that charged the defendants with conspiracy under the 1871 Ku Klux Klan Act, a Reconstruction civil rights statute. The charges did not specifically refer to Liuzzo's murder, but on December 3, the trio was found guilty and sentenced to 10 years in prison. While out on appeal, Wilkins and Thomas were each found guilty of firearms violations and sent to jail for those crimes. During this period, bad taste was on display when the January 15, 1966 edition of the Birmingham News published an ad offering Liuzzo's bullet-ridden car for sale. Asking $3,500, the ad read, "Do you need a crowd-getter? I have a 1963 Oldsmobile two-door in which Mrs. Viola Liuzzo was killed. Bullet holes and everything intact. Ideal to bring in crowds." Eaton, the only defendant who remained out of jail, died of a heart attack on March 9. Thomas was the only remaining member of the trio who had not gone to trial, with that case getting underway on September 26, 1966. The prosecution built a strong circumstantial case in the trial that included an FBI ballistics expert testifying that the bullet removed from the woman's brain was fired from a revolver owned by Thomas. Two witnesses testified they had seen Wilkins drinking beer at a VFW Hall near Birmingham, 125 miles from the murder scene, an hour or less after Liuzzo was shot. Despite the presence of eight African-Americans on the jury, Thomas was acquitted of murder the following day after just 90 minutes of deliberations. State attorney general Richmond Flowers criticized the verdict, deriding the black members of the panel, who had been carefully screened, as "Uncle Toms." On April 27, 1967, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans upheld the convictions of the surviving defendants, with Thomas serving six years in prison for the crime. Due to threats from Klan, both before and after his testimony, Gary Thomas Rowe went into the federal witness protection program. See Rowe v. Griffin, 676 F.2d 524 (1982). AftermathIt is thought by some people (civil rights activists, her children, etc.) that her death helped with the passing of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which removed barriers to voting such as literacy tests and poll taxes. President Lyndon B. Johnson also ordered investigation immediately after the death. Anthony Liuzzo...died on December 10, 1978. On December 28, 1977 the Liuzzo family, filed a lawsuit against the FBI, charging that Rowe, as an employee of the FBI, had failed to prevent Liuzzo's death and had in effect conspired in the murder. Then, on July 5, 1979, the American Civil Liberties Union, filed another lawsuit on behalf of the family. Rowe was indicted in 1978 and tried for his involvement in the murder,[2] but the first trial ended in a hung jury, and the second trial ended in his acquittal. See Rowe v. Griffin, 497 F. Supp. 610 (1980) for a complete description of the case. On May 27, 1983, a judge rejected the claims in the Liuzzo family lawsuit, saying there was "no evidence the FBI was in any type of joint venture with Rowe or conspiracy against Mrs. Liuzzo. Rowe's presence in the car was the principal reason why the crime was solved so quickly." In August 1983, the FBI was awarded US$79,873 in court costs, but costs were later reduced to $3,645 after the ACLU appealed on behalf of the family. See Liuzzo v. US, 565 F. Supp. 640 (1983). The family's oldest son, Thomas, moved to Alabama in 1978 and legally changed his last name to Lee in 1982 after constant questions about whether he was related to the civil rights martyr.[3] Liuzzo was the subject of a 2004 documentary Home of the Brave. She was featured in "Free at Last (part 3)." See also Notes
by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:04:56 PM (0+)
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Reply: Thank You Stephen
Thanks for posting the bio on my mom, It is much appreciated! by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:05:46 AM (0+)
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My heart goes out to this author
This story breaks my heart. I still remember as a kid LBJ making the arrest announcement; who could forget it? Like the 3 Civil Rights workers from Up North and like Emmett Till's story, how could we allow the name of Viola Gregg Liuzzo to slip into oblivion? Yet that is precisely what is happening with a new generation only focused on clothes, cars, video games, television serials, and their new boyfriend or girlfriend! I commend OpEdNews and the Editors for making this a headline story yesterday, and I wonder if in due course you will comment on this as editors, in addition to Ms. Bassett? Keep up the good work and Sally, keep up the great writing! I want to see your Op/Ed on the editorial page of the New York Times and other major papers nationally before November 5! by Eliot Gould (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 28 diaries, 200 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:32:10 PM (0+)
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Reply: Thanks Eliot!
Thank you for your heart felt response.It really helps to know that there are kind, compassionate people such as yourself in this world. by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:09:04 AM (0+)
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Viola Liuzzo
I taught American history and government for 40 years. For many of those years I read my students a short account of the murder of Viola Liuzzo and the absurd trial which followed. It was one of the more powerful lessons that I taught. Thank you, Sally, for writing this comment about Obama and the campaign. by william morgan (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:57:55 PM (0+)
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Reply: Response to William
Thank you for keeping my mom's legacy alive through your teachings! by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:11:42 AM (0+)
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WTF is what we are asking you.....
SO sad to see comments like this before people really know the true facts. This may be precisely where the problem lies. For your convenience you may want to read the post by Stephen fox below on Viola Liuzzo. Sally, My heart goes out to you and all of us that faced with this type of ignorance. by Robyn Russell (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:44:18 AM (0+)
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Reply: Response to Robyn
Thank you Robyn. I have lived with hateful comments like this my entire life. I pray for them for they are truly lost. My mom did not teach me hatred, I hope one day they find their way. by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:48:50 PM (0+)
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Shielah Jones
Sally, thanks for the reminder of your mother's sacrifice. It brought tears to my eyes. For Sheilah Jones, here is how racial hatred is/was being stoked in the McCain-Palin camp: -Palin, known to the general public for only a few weeks, constantly asked who this dangerous man, Barack Obama, is and says he pals around with terrorists. (Remember, it was John McCain who bombed people in the 60s, not Barack Obama, who was a child at the time.) -No one in the McCain campaign until Friday, October 10, tried to admonish crowds--some of whom carried Obama monkeys and eagerly entered the rallies unabashedly spouting hatred--not to shout such things as "kill him". -The Palin rhetoric continued unabated until this week, even though threats against Obama's life had reached all-time highs, according to some law enforcement personnel second in hatred only to threats made against the life of Martin Luther King, Jr., leading McCain to distance himself from the violence-inducing direction his campagn was taking. Your take on the dispicable slavery word "mulatto" shows dangerous ignorance. Racial identification until recently in some parts of our country has required anyone with a tiny percentage of black ancestry to identify themselves as black, Negro, or colored. Mulatto, quadroon, etc., were created for slave owners' record-keeping in their chattel ledgers. Obama, if he needs to label himself racially or culturally, is black, white, African American, or British American, but definitely NOT a mulatto. And you, dear, are Irish American. Your post reveals that the content of your character is in need of self-examination if you are to become a more respectable Irish American. by Yuma Michaels (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:29:21 PM (0+)
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Reply: Thanks Yuma
Thank you for taking the time to post the FACTS to support my claims. I am not surprised at all by Ms Jones response. All she did was furthur reinforce what I said all along........nasty, angry, hate speech has no place in a civilized society. by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:16:26 AM (0+)
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Reply: Leep: It is more a question of McCain/Palin's TACIT APPROVAL
of such Lunacy among their supporters. Palin, on one hand, fires up such derangement, but at least McCain told his supporters to be quiet about such things, saying that Obama was honorable and not to "fear" his presidency. However, aside from the question of whether to blame the candidates, I think it is clear that the racism in America goes very very deep, and is like a pot boiling over on the stove: you can take the lid off or you can ignore it and not remove it from the heat, but you certainly will have to clean it up when it boils over entirely, and it may even catch fire. Only a complete fool would deny that there is central core or segment of America that is totally racist and vicious, capable of things as terrible as Viola's murder by a KKK member and FBI informant, and that there were despicable juries in Alabama which would let those killers go free....I am so glad Sally took the time and effort to post it, as I recommended to her; I encourage her to take her story to wider audiences of readers, especially in the last weeks of this campaign, 20 more days. But I know we will be able to soon to celebrate Obama's victory, and very early in the evening, at that.... by Stephen Fox (96 articles, 3 quicklinks, 11 diaries, 802 comments [33 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:11:58 AM (0+)
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Reply: Reply to Stephen
But I know we will be able to soon to celebrate Obama's victory, and very early in the evening, at that.... by Stephen Fox (64 articles, 2 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 290 comments) on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 8:11:58 AM by Sally Liuzzo-Prado (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:30:54 PM (0+)
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Sally, I lived in Chicago when your mother was murdered
It was hard for me not to know about what was happening "down South" but soon the action came to Chicago. I remember, for example, the DNC convention 40 years ago as clearly as I remember the one in Denver this year. I spend many hours at the keyboard this summer, thinking of how I worked on 35th Street, a few blocks west of where Mayor Daley lived. The company employees were 95% black. When I finally left that job to teach in the Loop, I had a great group of students studying computer science, many black. And I realized that many of them had known nothing but troubled times. After settling in East Tennessee for retirement, I realized how the US had lost some of the original questioning which we all, regardless of race or age, experienced back then. In that regard I've been easy on Barack Obama's understanding of how things were when he was a little boy. So of course I was impressed by his intellect when I read his books. However, I was more impressed when he cited the trilogy of the King Years, written by Taylor Branch. It is so evident to me that many Americans do not realize how this campaign is finally getting around to dealing with the third volume. War versus workers' economic rights is what is being discussed now. (I just watched the last presidential debate.) It was so pertinent that the two men who helped to bring about change in civil rights made big sacrifices. Dr. King took the stand that the war had to stop and he was assassinated. President Johnson wanted both butter and bullets and had to withdraw, thinking that his Great Society would have a better chance. So now we are paying a heavy price in this country for cost of war. With the world economy so dire, people are beginning to invoke the name of Franklin Roosevelt, I don't envy the next president his challenge of turning the country around. Except we have better tools of communication than we did in 1933 when he was inaugurated. Thank you Sally, for writing and for acknowledging our responses. I look forward to more articles from you. by Margaret Bassett (45 articles, 2909 quicklinks, 42 diaries, 1849 comments [99 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:19:53 PM (0+)
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