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July 24, 2008 at 00:25:32

Headlined on 7/24/08:
Propositions against same-sex marriage: Is it blind faith, or blind hate, or are the two indistinguishable?

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Is it blind faith, or blind hate, or are the two indistinguishable?  

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To be fearful is easy. It’s the natural first essential state of non-vertebrates and vertebrates, including and most especially humankind. Fear is the fertile base from which all hate springs. Indeed, all religions depend for their existence on fear; not love — fear.

 

Consider only that being “religious” in a behavior is to do it without thinking about the behavior; without even knowing why: “He took the same route to the office religiously.”

 

And it was to the religious inclination that Voltaire referred when he posited, “He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity.”

  

The Bible Belt in America is an amorphously supposed geography that is the American South, where ostensibly one will find greatest social reliance on the what is within the Bible, as a guide for social norms and behavior.  While that may be a generally accurate supposition, it’s nothing anyone should be the least proud of. The Bible treats lightly or fully endorses to the extent it demands fratricide, polyandry, slavery, infanticide, incest, polygamy, genocide, child abuse, and mass theft and rape as well as other extraordinarily execrably intolerable practices . . . all because God said so.

 

Recall the story of Abraham, and how God demanded of his loyal servant that he take his only son, Isaac, “and offer him . . . for a burnt offering,” as a test of his abiding, unquestioning loyalty?  

 

Think — please, just T-H-I-N-K, do not be religiously servile: THINK! — what this really says about God, and about whatever it means to believe and behave admirably. If, as the world’s three most influential religions contend, God is omnipresent, all-powerful, and omniscient, why would God put anyone to such a test, the outcome of which His omniscience knew beforehand the outcome of . . . unless and only because God is not, as claimed, omniscient? An inherent contradiction that cannot be dismissed, ignored, or forgotten.

 

Would anyone today find innocent a father who murdered a child on the defense that God told him to kill the child, as a “burnt alive” human sacrifice? You ever burned your fingers on the range top? Is there anyone who will in any way not condemn most stridently this horrible, horrible tale of a father and a god who would even consider burning a child alive? Don’t give excuses, give a reason it would be okay.

 

Or, what about stoning a daughter to death because she was not a virgin on her wedding day? Or stoning a son who supposedly spoke or acted disrespectfully to his father? Or condemning to death someone for any of the many ever-so-minor trespasses defined as capital offenses in the Bible?

 

Nope. Didn’t think so. In the words of the father (George H. W. Bush), “wouldn’t be prudent.” It wouldn’t be prudent because we, as a society, as a thinking world, consider those commandments in the Bible as the very embodiment and expression of evil itself.

 

Yet, how can that be? It’s in the Bible! They’re stories of examples to follow, and they are Commandments from God!

 

But we pick and choose. We pick and choose because we know better about what’s right and what isn’t than what is in the Bible.

 

Regardless, there is a great proportion in our country that are wielding the Bible like a terrible Gattling gun, to mow down those they hate, those they fear, because they’re “different,” “they’re homosexuals,” and “they” should not be allowed to fully express their love and devotion to another human, via marriage, because “it’s an abomination to God.”

 

Give me a goddamned break! Read astutely the qualifying word “if”: Whether your god be God or Allah, if He requires the first diminishment of basic human rights on account of any of His human creations expressing their love and devotion for one another, however it is they choose, then that god, be it God or Allah, is a ground-hugging, slithering viper, and all who elect to abide some egregious sanctioning of those others are themselves the most incredibly blind, lying, hypocritical and loathsome in Creation.  

 

I had to be coerced to see Brokeback Mountain. There is nothing whatsoever about the sight of men engaged in the physical adoration of each other that is not uncomfortable, that is the least pleasing to me. Then again, I feel the same about folks with pink or blue (or, pink and blue) hair, or lip or nose rings, or 17 eyebrow piercings, or a tongue-stud that isn’t discomfiting to me.

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An "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."

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Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

Protection rackets

Both parties run and go along with protection rackets.  The Republicans are the worst of course.  They are basically crooks wearing cop uniforms.  They scare to protect and fleece.  They have done this with everything imaginable from Commies under the bed  to Homos teaching in schools  Every one of their causes adds to the sum total of human misery. which fosters a desperate and busy population even more gullible to their lies.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1186 comments) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 at 11:12:00 AM
 


American citizen. Blogger, photographer. Political ativist.
Zena PrincessAmerican citizen. Blogger, photographer. Political ativist.

I'm sick of hearing about it

You know, most of my life I never had a thing against gay people. Had gay friends....until the last few years when it became a public debate, gay people started hitting on me. Even though they knew I was straight. I'm sick to death of hearing about someone's sexual habits when I find it as disgusting as someone taking a crap out on a public street. Unless you intend to legalize that too, I have the right NOT to see that. If gay people had any consideration for others, they'd keep their sex lives in the bedroom where most of us straight people keep it. I'm begining to think most gay people DO have a serious mental problem with sex or they wouldn't feel the need to have a parade for it.

by Zena Princess (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 43 comments) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 at 3:26:53 PM
 


An "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."
Ed TubbsAn "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."

Sick of it? As retching is purgative, it may serve Zena well

I was only eight at the time. But I remember with exquisite clarity my grandmother’s response to the 1954 Brown v board decision: “They just need to give us more time.” If she had been hanging by shackled wrists for any period, I doubt she would have felt as compassionately about her jailer’s emotional and psychological difficulties, upon their being informed they had to set her free.

I know myself well enough to know that, if I had been held in abeyance as had America’s black citizens, with a raised fist and all the firepower I could lay my hands on, burning Detroit (or Newark, or Watts) down would have been the very least of the establishment’s worries. A man is a man, and by God he’s as good as any other. (Man, here absolutely intended to include woman.)

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One of the very few qualities that elevate humankind above other creatures is our capacity to feel empathetic for the plight, the anguish and suffering of others. To the extent we cannot inheres the extent to which neither are we above the other creatures on the Earth. By her remarks, Zena  has made her place manifestly evident.

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So, if  Zena  is “sick of it,” . . . let her suffer her retching. Perhaps she may thereby learn some quality of empathy.  

_ Ed Tubbs, Thousand Oaks, CA

by Ed Tubbs (156 articles, 1 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 54 comments) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 at 4:47:51 PM
 


I am a rather left-wing vegan man who lives with my husband in Cambridge, MA, works at a legal non-profit in Boston and dreams about running a computer business. Maybe in Vermont. My husband Donn is from Iowa, and he really prefers neighborhoods with far less people and traffic.
John BeckI am a rather left-wing vegan man who lives with my husband in Cambridge, MA, works at a legal non-profit in Boston and dreams about running a computer business. Maybe in Vermont. My husband Donn is from Iowa, and he really prefers neighborhoods with far less people and traffic.

From a happily married gay guy in Massachusetts

I do not think/feel this Constitutional Ammendment will pass in California. Opinions slowly change, older generations/older ways of thinking die off, and it seems the basic mood is more for than against gay marriage now in California. Of course, I just know what I read in various papers and websites, hear about on the left-wing talk radio I enjoy. The last time I was in California was the cross country trip I did with friends back in 1987.

We did manage to beat back the hateful people here in Massachusetts who tried to Constitutionally wound us, and keep our equal marriage rights in place. Hopefully California will have a similar experience. Especially as lots of younger folk go to the polls to vote for Barak Obama (as dissapointing as his own 'views' on gay marriage are)(but then, let's not deny the good just because it's not the perfect).

I heard an interesting comment yesterday, about how humans have 2 basic emotions - love and fear. All other emotions stem in some way from those 2 emotions, and I much prefer my pagan, earth based spiritual beliefs that grow from love and beauty to the funky Biblical fairy tales that are based in fear and control. It's nearly exhausting to contemplate how much love will be needed to heal all the fear based lives that have been lived for far too long by far too many people. But, what can we do but try?

by John Beck (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Thursday, July 24, 2008 at 4:29:53 PM
 

 

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