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July 23, 2008 at 01:52:03

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Lieberman At Hagee Conference: U.S. Should Attack Iran because God Hates Israel's Enemies

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Despite popular outcry from the American Jewish community, Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman pressed ahead with his third annual appearance at John Hagee's summit for Christians United For Israel (CUFI), an evangelical group with powerful fundraising capabilities and long-standing ties to DC insiders including President Bush. Over 42,000 petitioners called for Lieberman to renounce the controversial televangelist as Senator John McCain did this past May when it was discovered Hagee was selling DVDs which included a speech he made implying that the creation of Israel was the result of God's plan for Hitler to wipe out six million Jews.

Although it is well-known the membership of CUFI adopts an apocalyptic theology calling for the annihilation of the Jewish race as a key part of the impending rapture, Lieberman's logic is unclear to many in the Jewish community who sincerely hope God will not exterminate them any time soon.



Lieberman was accompanied Tuesday by Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel of New York who also ignored a public outcry against his attendance at the event, claiming their affiliation with CUFI lay in the shared belief that the U.S. should use it's military resources against Iran. Engel even abdicated his own Congressional power as part of a March 2007 war appropriation, granting President Bush authority to strike Iran without Congressional approval. Engel also also allowed the Congressional committee he chairs to become a forum for radical pro-war Israeli voices, calling for apartheid, not peace.

From Lieberman's speech Tuesday, "It is no coincidence that the terrorist regime in Tehran that sponsors the rocket attacks that rain out of Gaza on innocent Israelis, also sponsors the terrorist attacks that have murdered hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq. Both must stop."

Lieberman, who sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee, quoted scripture stating Israel was a gift to the Jews from God, who added "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you." Lieberman also told the audience he preferred Hagee and his supporters over the tens of thousands of anti-war petitioners, organized chiefly through the pro-Israel advocacy group J Street.

Lieberman cited the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina as proof that the nation of Iran should be targeted by the U.S., because several members of the Iraq Revolutionary Guard were suspected in connection with the blast. He also stated unequivocally that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons, but offered no supportive evidence, making this stretch in direct contradiction to the latest U.S. government intelligence and reports by the IAEA which, like Iraq in 2002, found Iran to be in compliance. (Ironically, a covert CIA operation to determine if Iran had a nuclear weapons acquisition program was exposed by Vice President Cheney and neocon strategist Karl Rove in an as-yet unprosecuted act of treason).

A recent piece in the Tehran Times questioned Washington's hypocrisy for giving Israel a pass on their acquisition of nuclear weapons despite refusal to sign the International Non-Proliferation Treaty. The paper claimed that Iran is undergoing close scrutiny by the UN who has been permitted full access including permission to videotape.

One wonders if Engel and Lieberman are simply courting CUFI for it's robust fundraising capabilities and undeniable influence in Washington's hallowed halls of power. But unlike last year, where media was allowed to interview CUFI's outlandish, racist anti-Muslim attendees during the conference, a tight media lock-down was in place this year, allowing a more "free discussion" said CUFI representative Ronn Torossian. "CUFI wants to create a more intimate and open setting this year, which will be more beneficial to our members and core audience."

House Resolution 362, currently moving through Congress after waves of lobbying by AIPAC, CUFI and NORPAC would impose harsh sanctions on Iran, including wording that opens the door for a U.S. military blockade which some in Congress feel is an overt act of war.

It would indeed be unfortunate if this country enters into armed conflict once again on the say-so of an uninformed Congress, in the absence of evidence or any attempt at diplomatic settlement, and with armies of private lobbyists fanning the flames.

Rather then trust those who have already proven themselves unworthy, let Americans instead heed the staunch Conservative war hero, President Dwight Eisenhower who in 1961 warned us to be vigilant against war profiteers who would seek to provoke unending military conflict around the world.

Unmindful, we let them do just that needlessly in Vietnam, until a vocal protest movement gave Congress the political will to investigate a runaway President. Unmindful again, we let them do it to Iraq, but with the Woodstock generation becoming the common stock generation, America is facing a serious moral crisis, unable to motivate Congress to do it's Constitutional duty.

Sen. Lieberman is continuing to assert our beef in the war on terrorism is with Iran, reminiscent of the hard lessons of the past six years where we saw Washington fix the facts around the case for war with Iraq. Though Americans overwhelmingy believe the war on terror should be directed at the clandestine underground cells that actually carry out these attacks, Lieberman's rhetoric shows once again his priorities - defense and energy industry CEOs, and those who feel the U.S. should be Israel's blindly obedient attack dog. The case against Iran so far is highly circumspect, but Lieberman does wonders with very little.

 

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Eileen is the Reporter and Editor of wearewideawake.orgProducer of "30 Minutes with Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" She has been to Israel Palestine five times since June 2005.
She is currently working on "The Boom Boom Benny Story"

Eileen FlemingEileen is the Reporter and Editor of wearewideawake.orgProducer of "30 Minutes with Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" She has been to Israel Palestine five times since June 2005.
She is currently working on "The Boom Boom Benny Story"

Ike was a prophet

In his Farewell Address Eisenhower warned US NOT to tie the economy to the Industrial military Complex, but as with most prophets, he was ignored.

 

Jesus warned his follower's to beware of False Prophets and Hagee is one!

Hagee is also the leader of the fastest growing cult  in America-the cult of political neo-con 'Christian' Zionists who lust for Armageddon in the deluded belief they can bring Jesus/AKA THE PRINCE OF PEACE back to the material world and that they will be raptured/lifted out of the misery of a nuclear  holocaust!

 

Jesus promised that it is The Peacemakers who are  the children of God [Mattew 5:9] NOT those  that bomb, torture of occupy others.

I attended a Hagee cult event in Miami, Fl. November 6, 2007:

The James L. Knight Center was packed to the rafters with John Hagee's tribe of Christian Zionists and south Florida's right wing Jewish community. Zion's Fire Banners, dancers, singers and a band whipped the crowd into a frenzy of spinning, jumping, clapping, twirling and moved the rotund Hagee to link arms with men in skull caps and dance the Hora-not to Hava Nagila, but to repeated choruses of:

Shout for joy and victory! Bat Yerushalyim

From one end of the stage to the other, the largest American and Israeli flags I have ever seen were draped side by side and by the end of the evening I imagined every star on the red-white-and blue had morphed into the Star of David.

-See photo on left margin WAWA:

http://www.wearewideawake.org/


Miami-Dade County Commissioner Joe Martinez pointed to the flags and exclaimed: "Isn't that beautiful up there together? I get goose bumps! All nations have been created by an act of man, except Israel was created by an act of God."

Rabbi Freedman delivered the Invocation, "We are all friends of the only democracy in the Middle East."

I immediately recalled what American Israeli, Jeff Halper, the Founder and Coordinator of ICAHD/Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions told me during one of my five journeys to Jerusalem:

"Israel is a not a democracy but is an Ethnocracy, meaning a country run and controlled by a national group with some democratic elements but set up with Jews in control and structured to keep them in control.”


Rabbi Freedman continued on, "From Mount Sinai to Mount Zion to Mount Vernon we are all Zionists! Israel is second to America in how many immigrants we have absorbed."

 
Immigrant absorption in Israel comes with perks and is called Aliyah, ["go up"] and is a fundamental concept of Zionism enshrined in Israel's Law of Return, which permits any Jew from any where in the world the legal right to government assisted immigration and settlement in Israel, automatic Israeli citizenship, unemployment benefits, free medical, and subsidized housing. Young adult immigrants receive free room, utilities, and three meals a day for the first five months and 100 percent of their tuition is paid by the government.



Hagee's mastery of manipulating the fears of his audience garnered him a standing ovation as the shofars blew, "Israel was re-born by an act of God and Israel lives! The Jews have suffered great persecution and survived slavery and the Final Solution! God Jehovah will bury Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran! The flag of Israel will fly over the undivided Jerusalem and be the praise of all the earth! It's 1938 again and the new Hitler is Ahmadinejad! Radical Islamisicts are threatening to develop nuclear weapons in order to destroy Israel and then the USA! But we are indivisible and we are both here forever!"

The oft repeated comment ascribed to President Ahmadinejad, that "Israel must be wiped off the map," was addressed by Virginia Tilley, Professor of political science who wrote:

"In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

"In this speech to an annual anti-Zionist conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad was being prophetic, not threatening. He was citing Imam Khomeini, who said this line in the 1980s (a period when Israel was actually selling arms to Iran, so apparently it was not viewed as so ghastly then). Mr. Ahmadinejad had just reminded his audience that the Shah's regime, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein had all seemed enormously powerful and immovable, yet the first two had vanished almost beyond recall and the third now languished in prison. So, too, the "occupying regime" in Jerusalem would someday be gone. His message was, in essence, "This too shall pass." http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley08282006.html



Being a Christian of the Beatitudes-sticking to what Jesus actually taught and not worshiping any state or nation, I hope that the zeal of particular Christians for the state of Israel will also pass and because of their love for the Jewish people, I have hope they will have ears to hear the wisdom of the American Jewish progressive political and spiritual community and organization, Tikkun.


 

Tikkun is Hebrew for mend, repair and transform the world.

Tikkun researched to discover that there are three distinct elements energizing the Christian Zionists:

1. A strong commitment to conservative and ultra-nationalist American politics (so strong, I believe, that if the U.S. were to decide to break with Israel, this part of the Christian Zionist leadership would go along with that and drop its defense of Israeli policies).

2. Dispensationalist religious commitments that lead many of the Christian Zionists to yearn for a cataclysmic “end of history” eschatological war in the Middle East that will precipitate the second coming of Jesus and the Rapture in which all true Christians will go to heaven and all Jews who have not yet converted to Christianity will burn in hell for eternity.

3. A widespread understanding among many Christians that atonement and repentance is needed for 1700 years of murder, rape, and oppression of Jews that was frequently generated by the Church (though, of course, the Evangelicals do not recognize that church as their church). In this category are many Christian Zionists who genuinely feel terrible about what has happened to the Jews and genuinely want to help the Jewish people. Their philo-Semitism is real and sincere. [Rabbi Lerner, Tikkun Magazine page 9, Nov/Dec. 2007]

But in Miami the other night, multitudes of misled and misinformed Christian's celebrated military occupation, violence, power and control and ignored the gospel Jesus preached: "It is the peacemakers who shall be called the children of God." –Matthew 5:9

Hagee repeatedly cited that all worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but neglected to mention that the first mention of Israel is in Genesis 32:22, when Jacob was renamed Israel for having wrestled and struggled with the Divine.

Hagee threw out the names of all the Hebrew prophets, but not the fact that God raised up prophets to speak truth to power and arrogance and to remind people of what God desires:

"What does God require? He has told you o'man!
Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord." -Micah 6:8

God also raised up prophets to remind them they cannot know the mind of the Mystery of the Universe, for "His thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord."- Isaiah 55:8

God raised up prophets to admonish the "stiff necked people" [Exodus 34:9, Proverbs 29:1] and that "My people are fools, they do not know me! They are skilled in doing evil, they know not how to do good."-Jeremiah 4:22

 

Hagee invoked the "Torah Way" but neglected what the Torah commands:

"From Moses to Jeremiah and Isaiah, the Prophets taught...that the Jewish claim on the land of Israel was totally contingent on the moral and spiritual life of the Jews who lived there, and that the land would, as the Torah tells us, 'vomit you out' if people did not live according to the highest moral vision of Torah. Over and over again, the Torah repeated its most frequently stated mitzvah [command]:

"When you enter your land, do not oppress the stranger; the other, the one who is an outsider of your society, the powerless one and then not only 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself' but also 'you shall love the other.'" [Rabbi Lerner, TIKKUN Magazine, page 35, Sept./Oct. 2007 ]


























 

 

 

by Eileen Fleming (140 articles, 49 quicklinks, 264 diaries, 584 comments) on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 at 7:39:36 AM
 


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shadow dancerwhatever, yadda yadda yadda

Ike

Interesting you know Jesus did not teach worship of the State of Nation.  The Book of Revelation refers to many Beast Kingdoms/Nations.  Worship of the State or Nation could very well be worshipping the Beast & the image of the Beast.

Jesus taught his Father's Spritual Kingdom that is not of the world of man, nor worldly things.  Worldly things can include the world of man's political, religious, business, & educational philosophies.  Could very well be Hagee, and those like him are false teachers, false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing, what is called the False Apostacy of which is written about in the scriptures that they will be killing thinking they are doing God a favor.  That can include many religions. 

 I read that Rod Parsely thinks America was founded by God to destroy the religion of Islam which is strange considering Jesus never told any of his disciples to go & purposely kill anyone, go to other nations & kill people, nor kill leaders of other nations or their own even if the leaders of other nations were evil or the leaders of their own nation was evil.

 Strange world.  I am just passing through.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by shadow dancer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Friday, July 25, 2008 at 3:14:30 PM
 


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Lieberman is

a crazy old Jew....

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MY COMMENT ABOUT GOD WANTING US TO ATTACK IRAN

If If God wants Iran destroyed He is perfectly capable of doing so all by Himself without implicating His own Creation (Human beings) in breaking the laws He set down for our behavior.

Let no living being ever harm either Bush or Lieberman, in any way, for God has reserved that right for Himself, personally and wants no puny human interference, other than possibly a trial for treason and war crimes. That I know for a fact. 

 

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Ed EnchoEd Encho is a free lance writer, activist and consultant who resides in West Central Florida.  

Lieberman Consorts With Terrorist Organization

Lieberman is quite simply a TRAITOR 

In addition to being a dangerous zealot, the Senator representing Tel Aviv is one hell of a right wing Likudnik Zionist, so concerned with perpetuating a campaign of rape and pillage that is the grand genocide that he willingly throws in with a man who once fondly cooed over Adolf Hitler's mission as an earthly extension of God's plan for the creation of the state of Israel. Hagee is an anti-Semite as are every last one of the Raptureheads whose glorious becoming can only occur once the Jews have been incinerated but hypocrisy rules in Der Homeland and long ago conquered reason, the lemmings quite simply prefer magic, myths and fairy tales and Hagee is a pied piper leading a rat army who marches in goose-stepping unity. As for Lieberman, he is by definition a traitor. A traitor to his party, a traitor to his religion and ultimately a traitor to his country and were the rule of law as set forth by the founders respected in anything remotely resembling their true intents Lieberman would find his mangy ass placed on trial, convicted and then hung for his crimes against the constitution - not only as justice dictates but as an example to every other duplicitous bitch and bastard who sells out America on behalf of a foreign interest.

Were this an organization run by Muslims then there would have to be another wing built at Gitmo so outrageous would be the outcry. For the sake of argument let's say it were a black minister like Reverend Jeremiah Wright calling for racist wars of aggression, terrorism and genocide - you can rest assured that so vicious would be the calls for shunning, the cries of treason and the death threats that there sure as hell wouldn't be any U.S. Senators making keynote speeches in front of the flock at that church. CUFI is a terrorist organization and the full force of the law should be brought down upon it. Their funding sources need to be investigated, their assets frozen if found to be a product of radical foreign meddlers and their leaders put on trial for sedition, crimes against the republic and outright treason for if they are to be successful then the body count from their next war will make Hitler look like an amateur.

In any decent country an organization such as CUFI would be subject to scrutiny and in this sad shell of a republic if there were any decency left they could be subject to investigation as a terrorist organization according to the USAPATRIOT Act which should be used to protect this country from a dug in, deeply embedded, well financed and relentless enemy who refuse to play by any rules and seek to use our boys and girls as nothing but cheaply acquired cannon fodder for their expansionist wars.

Just my two cents

EE

 

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god told me that leiberman is a shonda on his race. God went on to say that Hagee's,get all the Jews together in the roach motel theory is silly. He

also stated Hagee is not as funny as Lou Costello. The last thing god wanted to let on was he kinda likes the peacemakers and we should beat our ploghs into pillow cases.

by robert braunstein (21 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 83 comments) on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 at 6:56:22 PM
 


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God=hater?

Then satan must be a lover? Hmm, Joe hears voices from "God"? Joe knows what "God" is thinking? Hmmm. Boy, Joe, you one smart cookie. The thing is, that land called Israel wasn't handed down "from God", it was handed down from Great Brtian in the mid 40's.

Lieberman is the poorest excuse for an "Independent"; moreover, any Democrat. Hagee? He is one big fruit cake, and acts like a whacko in a trance built from ego power. I can't even stand to watch him on TV. He has such an evil behavior and tone to his chants. EEEEECK, a freak.

If there is indeed some big all knowing God, then certainly he/she/it thinks we are all totally stupid. Look what we have done to the planet. 

Just remember the Bible was put to print/press (edited and swayed to his approval) by King James and he was one cruel torturous monarch.  Think of Kim Jung Il censorship when comparing King James. Their behaviors are twin in nature.

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Lieberman at Hagee

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." -Robert A. Heinlein

God help us If Hagee takes over the religious right. He really appears to be a war-mongering Zionist. God, please protect me from your followers!

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Many of them are Dominionists and don't believe in 'rapture'

As their name suggests they wish to dominate all of the earth and prepare it for the Second Coming. As per their beliefs, god won't come back till they convert, or kill, all of earth's inhabitants. I believe they give themselves 1,000 years to get the job done. A strict form of Calvanism where the majority will go to hell anyway by their reckoning. They have no problems using those like Hagee who believe in the idea of 'rapture' which is something the Dominionists don't accept. There are plenty of psychopaths involved who don't care so much about the theology or theonomy but the power they will have. It is a great danger that they are willing to start a world war to get what they want here and full spectrum dominance over the world from 50 miles up to deep in the ocean and all the layers both horizontal and vertical. The USA spends ten times the amount of any ten top spenders of military and surviellance technology.

Welcome to the New American Century brought to you by PNAC and many other oligarchs both known and unknown.

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