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July 31, 2008 at 07:43:50

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Judiciary Backpedals on Reports and Transcripts from "Non-Impeachment" Hearings

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Claiming an intern error, the House Judiciary Committee has retracted Monday statements regarding updates on the July 25th hearing on alleged presidential abuses, AKA the “non-impeachment” hearings.

A late Wednesday afternoon call showed the Judiciary Committee now claiming congressional procedures will require the official transcripts of the six hour hearing to be held for 90 days, meaning the official transcripts will not be made available to the American public until just before the November elections. A staffer who declined to give her name claimed that Monday’s statement that the transcripts would ready for the public on Aug. 3rd was an “intern error,” explaining that there are “new people in the office and they don’t know.”

The same explanation of “intern error” was given for the retraction of another, even more critical, earlier statement that an official committee report, or announcement of the findings from the hearing would be made available in “two weeks.” “There are no plans for any report or statement regarding the findings from those hearings. They are completed. We do not make press releases on hearings that have already happened.”

When asked to clarify, the staffer did acknowledge that the latest press release posted on the Judiciary’s website [dated 7/28/08—post hearing] was indeed a report of findings from a hearing, but the staffer explained it was actually a report of another committee’s hearing.

“To clarify then, you will post reports on the hearings of other congressional committees, but not of your own hearings?”

“We do not make press releases on hearings that have already happened,” the staffer replied.

 While the Judiciary anticipates no plans to release a report concerning the July 25th hearings, the staffer says the committee chair, John Conyers D-MI, would not rule out potential future committee actions based on voluminous evidence introduced on the 25th by Constitutional law experts Bruce Fein and Elizabeth Holtzman, among others, but the staffer would not specify what any further actions might be, only that none have been planned.

When questioned for further information on the transcripts, the staffer claimed that those in the DC area could come to the committee office to view the current draft edition of the transcripts. Interested citizens would be allowed to examine the document and even take notes, but not allowed to make photocopies.

In an additional, though unrelated, example of backpedaling by Judiciary staff, when asked about the volume of calls making inquiries after Friday, the unnamed staffer, at first replied “There’s just been a couple a day.” Since this call was made after 4:30 DC time, the caller clarified to be sure, “The phrase ‘a couple literally refers two, as in a married couple for example; and while the term can be construed to include as many as four, are you trying to imply that besides this call, counting as one, only one other person in America called today to ask about Friday’s hearings?”

After a pause the staffer clarified, “No sir, several called today.”

Given the significance of these backpedals. It might prove helpful for those pressing for impeachment to independently call the Judiciary and ask the same simple questions: 1) When will the committee release the transcripts to the public? 2)  When will the committee announce a report to the full house from the hearings? 3) What kinds of actions is the committee preparing in light of the numerous charges of criminal behavior laid out for the public record in the hearings?

The House Judiciary Committee public phone number is 202-225-3951. Readers who make calls themselves could compile the results in the comments below.

 

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Born the son of a nightclub singer, Mikel Weisser watched anti-war hippies getting beaten on TV during the Vietnam War and decided to devote his life to protest against unreasoning authority, but not to getting beaten. Though he spent almost two years traveling the country as a hitchhiker, Weisser has gone on to receive a Masters in Literature and a Masters in Secondary Education, publish hundreds of freelance magazine and newspaper articles and political commentary columns along with 7 books of poetry and short fiction. A former homeless shelter administrator, contestant on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire,and survivor of his first wife's suicide, Weisser teaches middle school US History and Constitution, is a member of the NORAZ poets and host of the Mohave Community College Documentary series, "A Liberal Education." He and his wife Beth were married at their home in So-Hi, Arizona and live with their daughter Victoria, numerous pets and have turned their property into a themepark for "peace and love and stuff." "When in AZ, visit the So-Hi Themepark!"

 

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Judiciary Committee backpedals on "Non-Impeachment" Hearings

I just called the Judiciary Committee and asked why the 90 day delay in releasing the transcript.  According to the responder--The Judiciary Committee will follow the rules of the US House of Representatives and only release HEARING transcripts 90 days after a hearing and then only to the committee members.  IT WILL NOT BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL HOUSE MEMBERS!  If they want a copy, they can come to the Judiciary Committee's office and make one!

When asked why the entire US House of Representatives would not receive a copy, the responder said this was US House policy.  "Mark-ups" transcripts would be released to the House within a few weeks but not hearing transcripts.  The 90 days is to allow all speakers an opportunity to identify any typos or other transcription errors--but they cannot change the context.

I then asked how the US House was to know of the testimony given by the legal and Constitutional scholars if they did not receive a copy--or did the Judiciary Committee expect the House members to watch C-SPAN as I did to hear the testimonies?  He said they could come by the committee office and look at the draft transcript, make notes, but could not make copies of pages, or they could watch the proceedings from links at the Judicial Committee website.

Interesting that something as important as impeachment which would require the entire US House of Representatives' vote, would not be distributed to all house members, don't you think?

by Nancy Holt (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 12:11:25 PM
 


Brett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.
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90 days to check typos! Doesn't that speak volumes

when Nancy Pelosi was on The View recently apparently having trouble finding "somone" that had "a crime" that the President had committed.

I tell you with respect from one person to another the sort of arrogant air headedness displayed by Nancy Pelosi in The View, when she quoted John F Kennedy's inauguration speach and made her comments on who she sees America relating to the world (she thinks American has to lead) and yet she won't uphold her own oath to defend the constitution because she doesn't want to be divisive with the other oath breakers, that sort of arrogance, when it becomes cultural, destroys nations by focussing the wrath of the rest on them.

Sorry we can't uphold the rule of law on torture and illegal invasion today. But here's my book aren't I wonderful example for all you women everywhere.

Nancy Pelosi you are repugnant to me.  

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1175 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 9:24:51 PM
 


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thank you for ACTING! & What a great report

Ms. Holt,

I am inspired by your story. We know next to nothing of each other here on a website, but under your name it says no articles, quick links, diaries and this is your first comment/statement. And what a great one to make. Thank you. You gave them a great challenge and we learned so much by you going through it. We are all witnesses adding up a testimony.

by mikel weisser (28 articles, 3 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 69 comments) on Friday, August 1, 2008 at 12:48:58 AM
 


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I also callled...

and was given similar information.  More specifically :

1) When will the committee release the transcripts to the public?

Response:  90 days from July 25, 2008 as is policy.  [Oct. 24, 2008]

2)  When will the committee announce a report to the full house from the hearings?

Response:  Three weeks from July 25, 2008.   [August, 15, 2008]

3) What kinds of actions is the committee preparing in light of the numerous charges of criminal behavior laid out for the public record in the hearings?

Resonse:  Confidential.  

Call to the House Judicary Committee made at 11:30 am, July 31, 2008

The CSPAN Video Archive link of the full hearing is available here.

by Amanda Lang (23 articles, 14003 quicklinks, 433 diaries, 604 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 1:09:30 PM
 


Born the son of a nightclub singer, Mikel Weisser watched anti-war hippies getting beaten on TV during the Vietnam War and decided to devote his life to protest against unreasoning authority, but not to getting beaten. Though he spent almost two years traveling the country as a hitchhiker, Weisser has gone on to receive a Masters in Literature and a Masters in Secondary Education, publish hundreds of freelance magazine and newspaper articles and political commentary columns along with 7 books of...

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mikel weisserBorn the son of a nightclub singer, Mikel Weisser watched anti-war hippies getting beaten on TV during the Vietnam War and decided to devote his life to protest against unreasoning authority, but not to getting beaten. Though he spent almost two years traveling the country as a hitchhiker, Weisser has gone on to receive a Masters in Literature and a Masters in Secondary Education, publish hundreds of freelance magazine and newspaper articles and political commentary columns along with 7 books of...

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Another great report. The Important difference here is--

2)  When will the committee announce a report to the full house from the hearings?

Response:  Three weeks from July 25, 2008.   [August, 15, 2008]

 And that is the area to work on: getting that date stated and verified, repeatedly. It gives a timeframe for citizen action.

by mikel weisser (28 articles, 3 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 69 comments) on Friday, August 1, 2008 at 1:21:06 AM
 


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We can't wait until October 24th for transcripts

I can't believe how many people are clueless to what went on last Friday.  Clearly the media hasn't covered it and isn't going to any time soon.  Some people are just too lazy even to see the video up on C-Span.  It would be great if someone could just do an unofficial transcript right off of the videos and then circulate it like crazy.  Just a thought. 

by Mrs P (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 4:01:32 PM
 


Brett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.
Brett PaatschBrett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.

Its not just a question of laziness

Those hearings went for six hours during what for many people are the hours that they spend earning their living.

As a matter of necessity many people have to trust other people to do their jobs whilst they are doing their own. That was Dennis Kucinich's point about people (including most of the Congress - who unlike Nancy Pelosi weren't part of the gang of eight - having to trust the President when he gives them an executive summary.

The exact same point applies to Nancy Pelosi though. She has a job as Speaker that is imbued with quite a lot of procedural power by the rules of the House.

But nothing in the rules of the House and nothing about being a good Democratic Party member gets Nancy Pelosi out of her higher duty to uphold her oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies.

Pelosi is being reckless and incompetent and she is letting the American people who trusted her to do her job, a job she is being paid for, whilst they do theirs.

Right now, more than George W Bush (who as the defendant doesn't have to prosecute himself), more than John Conyers, who as Chair of the House Judiciary Committee is important but still procedurally dependent on the House, Nancy Pelosi IS THE MOST DANGEROUSLY RECKLESS AND FAITHLESS TO HER DUTIES person in the United States.

Nancy Pelosi alone can't make impeachment happen. But she has responsibility NOT to take the Constitution off the table and to make place mats out of parts of it.

Right now, the assassination of Nancy Pelosi, for her negligence, might very well be a moral action - if it caused attention to be brought to the extent of her negligence and if it brought attention to the material that she is laboring so hard to keep off the agenda so she can put her own smaller agenda on it.

I am not advocating assassination. By the time a plan was put in place this moment in history would be gone. But something needs to be done to bring to the attention of a people that think that things are pretty much as they always are right now, that they are not.

Politics has always been about whose issues get voiced. But impeachment politics is about the rule of law. And that is all of our issue. That is the issue that matters most for all of us that want the possibility of living in a society and in a civilization in peace without chaos.

Pelosi's comments (see David Swanstons report of her comments on the Nation as well as her comments on The View) show her own narrow parochialism and her limits of perspective. She talks as though the highest interest is the American interest as embodied in the success of the Democratic Party as embodied in her conception of the Democratic Party.

But the highest interest is the human interest globally. Any American interest that conflicts with the human interest, humans will resolve in favor of the human interest. Therefore smart American humans recognize that should honor their treaties with the rest of the world. Pelosi doesn't get that.

Pelosi doesn't get that when she presumes to persue a merely Democratic Party agenda and to see the Presidency as the highest objective she is actually betraying and dishonoring the world of people like Eleanor Roosvelt  to name just one, who managed to get an internation charter of human rights established. Pelosi is undermining the work of the founding fathers of America. Pelosi is undermining the work and wasting the sacrifice of the soldiers and civilians whose deaths led the world to recognize the need for a United Nations Charter to save future generations from the scourge of war.

Pelosi's (limited view. limited character. limited intellect) quite simply, right now, is the problem.  

The world needs Pelosi to get smarter or to get out of the damn seat that she is filling and let someone who will keep their oaths sit in it.  

 

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1175 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 10:12:30 PM
 


A thinking activist pre-boomer.
zephyrA thinking activist pre-boomer.

blankname, goodidea

I too wonder how you can post with no name.  I do think your idea of someone doing a transcript of the hearings is good.  By using a dictaphone, maybe?  Someone please do this.  And distribute it online everywhere.  We need it bad.

by zephyr (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 71 comments) on Friday, August 1, 2008 at 12:04:28 AM
 


64 year old retired factory worker. Lifetime democrat; now a member of the Ron Paul revolution.
ronheri64 year old retired factory worker. Lifetime democrat; now a member of the Ron Paul revolution.

All of the Comgressmen Know

They can't play dumb about something this critical. We need to put our Representatives feet to the fire. Call your Congressman and ask them where they stand on this issue; no ifs ands or buts. They must stand up...if not...they must be voted out of office. I'm calling mine tomorrow; although I'm sure she stands with Dennis Kucinich. She knows we have a criminal in the White House!

by ronheri (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 214 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 5:45:00 PM
 


Brett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.
Brett PaatschBrett Paatsch is an Australian born secular humanist with degrees in management and science and an interest in politics. He is a former pro-American that wishes to be pro-American again and thinks the impeachment and repudiation of President George W Bush for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 is necessary to reestablish trust in American signatures on international treaties and confidence in the global rule of law.

This is actually a critically important report

I can personally confirm, from calling the House Judiciary Committee from Australia in the middle of the night (I am 14 hours ahead of Washington time) that this is exactly how sloppily and unprofessionally the House Judiciary Committee handles  matters.

The person that answers the call doesn't give their name to identify themselves and generally has an attitude of 'why are you calling and giving me grief don't you know I work for the House Judiciary Committee and we are doing things much more important here than taking your call'. 

Dammit I was ringing, and reringing to find out the answer to a simple procedural matter - did the House Judiciary Committee get the email message I sent. Can someone in authority confirm receipt please.

Folks, this could be just plain incompetence by interns who haven't got a good idea of what proper and professional processes are, or it could be that it reflects the culture of the House Judiciary Committee as an office (and so the culture that John Conyers has allowed or perhaps encourages) or it could be the culture of (I emotionally need to say it like this) "f*ck you constituents and f*ck you world" that presides on the Democratic side of politics in the United States at present as well as on the side of Republicans.
When I talk to Repubulicans on the internet I get this attitude of "your not an an American - your opinion doesn't count". The whole damn point of trying to talk as a person to other persons, of trying to talk as a person from one country to another is because f*cking Americans are breaking agreements relating to not torturing and not invading sovereign member nations. 

This cultural thing of not being able to take a message doesn't mean that the person goes away satisfied - the person goes away angry.

I think 9-11 may have been a message crafted to speak to Americans in a language that they can understand. I think that American are setting themselves up - culturally, and I am talking about the way the staffers at the House Judiciary Committee which John Conyers is Chair of, for more messages being sent like 9-11. This is because the stupid or arrogant or incompetent behavior enrages. It denies mutual accountability.

Folks, please, do something about this.

Realise that this sort of institutionalised and cultural disrespect is disrespect to you.  This attitude of the House Judiciary Committee of not providing a professional and courteous response to people who get in touch for what is frankly the best and most worthy of causes that citizens and concerned people can be involved in, stinks.

It needs to be fixed.  

 

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1175 comments) on Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 9:07:09 PM
 


Frank J. Ranelli is an opinion editorial writer, a research author and critic. His erudite and chic style of writing has been lauded and extensively published in a variety of news outlets and across the Internet. These include the Naples Daily News, The Online Journal, Information Clearing House, Alternet, The Smirking Chimp, Diatribune, and the former progressive journal of thought, Wicked Philosophy. Frank is currently working on his upcoming book, Rise of the Authoritarians, and is participat...

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Impeachment is still "off the table"...here's why.

I cannot take credit for this quote, however, this sums up in it totality, who, what and why nothing will come of these hearings -- and why they are being burried for 90 days.

The bottom-line is that Nancy Pelosi was part of the "Gang of Eight" and she was briefed on our illegal torture procedures, and because the President stated it was "classified", she chose to remain silent and therefore became a criminal enabler of their policies. Pelosi won't allow impeachment because the hearings would likely implicate her and several other members of Congress.

by Frank J. Ranelli (66 articles, 143 quicklinks, 29 diaries, 383 comments) on Friday, August 1, 2008 at 1:26:48 AM
 


Born the son of a nightclub singer, Mikel Weisser watched anti-war hippies getting beaten on TV during the Vietnam War and decided to devote his life to protest against unreasoning authority, but not to getting beaten. Though he spent almost two years traveling the country as a hitchhiker, Weisser has gone on to receive a Masters in Literature and a Masters in Secondary Education, publish hundreds of freelance magazine and newspaper articles and political commentary columns along with 7 books of...

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mikel weisserBorn the son of a nightclub singer, Mikel Weisser watched anti-war hippies getting beaten on TV during the Vietnam War and decided to devote his life to protest against unreasoning authority, but not to getting beaten. Though he spent almost two years traveling the country as a hitchhiker, Weisser has gone on to receive a Masters in Literature and a Masters in Secondary Education, publish hundreds of freelance magazine and newspaper articles and political commentary columns along with 7 books of...

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Yes of course

When the speaker needs a pardon from the president, she's likely to give him one first. But that doesn't mean she doesn't have a tipping point. Everyone has a point where things are so stacked against you that you cave in. Someone said, "hold their feet to the fire," an image from Cortez annihilation of the Aztecs, a sort of waterboarding deluxe whichi would not wish upon my worst enemy, no not even Bush.

But eveyone has their tipping point, when America wants an impeachment bad enough it will have it, one way or another. Until average citizen is outraged, not peeved, pissed, disappointed, or even nauseated, but up and indignant and calling for action--you know, We the People doing the We the People thing--we're not there. Aug. 15 is an important date in the sequence if we are to generate public attention. The week before and the weekend after are crucial.

Talk to people. So many just don't understand what the truth actually is. If you can get them to think they'll see. You know what they say, "Startle Someone Today!"

by mikel weisser (28 articles, 3 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 69 comments) on Friday, August 1, 2008 at 1:58:47 AM