Twice now, I have seen reference to a secret meeting in the House of Repreesntatives in which people were informed that the US is on the verge of financiall collapse and martial law. It was reported here: click here . The meeting, one of only four such secret meetings in the last 25 years, Congresspeople were alledgedly told:
* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008 * The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2009 * The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse * The advance round-ups of “insurgent U.S. Citizens” likely to move against the government * The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States * The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses * The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest * The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union * The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.
While there are wars going on, and a FISA aftermath, and impeachment to push, and so much more, obviously if the items listed above are accurate, investigating and reporting on about this seem rather logical things to happen now.
And if there are camps being built to intern "insurgent" ("critical," "dissenting"?) Americans in preparation for martial law, does that not take a bit of priority over anything else anyone is doing politically?
Many are concerned about staged terrorists attack or some other emergency to declare martial law. So, when there is news that Congress is being informed of "imminent collapse" and of internment camps in preparation for martial law, it seems ... prudent (sane, patriotic, logical, necessary, urgent?) to make as little bit of noise about this.
And yet headline reporting on this was listed low on the list of political things happening and the article itself contained no actions to be taken.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=3462 Labor camps already exist on military installations. At Carswell AFB in Fort Worth inmates make 15 cents an hour. The telephone information operators make a whopping 1.45 an hour. You will not be going there for rest and relaxation. Welcome to the 4th reich.
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john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 395 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 7:02:19 AM
Not sure how this could be "stopped" - there are just too many and they are too well established - it's been going too long.
Here is a list of FEMA Camps by state, with general or specific locations and other data (an estimated 500,000 can be held in the camp east of Anchorage, Alaska, eg).
Included are many relevant executive orders (gov can take over all transportation, including personal cars etc, communication and media, gas and electricity supply, food resources and farms, health and welfare, airports and aircraft, housing and finance, including relocation of communities, wages, etc).
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Aurora (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 339 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 1:40:52 PM
They will have to feed them selves when locked up.
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Gallaher (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 537 comments)
on Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 11:53:10 PM
I googled some of the text above and found out that this is interpretive spin based on reports in newspapers in New Zealand and Australia. The truth of hte matter concerned the FISA broadening. That's what the meeting was all about.
Kucinich testified angrily on Democracy Now that secret Congressional meetings are "Dangerous" to American democracy and that transparency is key. He was really mad. He said he refused to attend the secret meeting, stating that he thought it was about the FISA broadening.
I'll see what I can do to find the original articles and get back with a message about this.
I put *nothing* past the thugs in office and don't hold the above scenarios as an impossibility. I am the one on this forum who vociferously harps about dictatorships routinely becoming murderous. That said, I think this may also have been the author's exaggerations and reading between-the-between-the-lines based on the original newspaper reports he was referencing. I compared his reports wiht the overseas reports and there were a lot of congitive distortions in his "take" on them, based on which the above "report" is written. Stay tuned: I will try to find the original article, if I can.
Thanks, Kathryn
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Kathryn Smith (88 articles, 2 quicklinks, 35 diaries, 344 comments)
on Friday, July 18, 2008 at 11:55:14 PM
Here's the problem. Watch the same video with your sound turned off and tell me what it says? Nothing at all.
People can take videos of a regular prison and add their own narration and post it online but that does not constitute proof of anything.
I don't trust Bush but much of this "conspiracy" assumes he could get the military to back him up. Being "commander-in-chief" is a nice title until they realize how nuts he is and refuse to listen to him after his term is officially over.
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Paul Kruger (26 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 210 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 12:20:33 PM
All one has to do is google Executive Orders + George W. Bush. In these, sandwiched way down, are statements to the effect that Bush now has the authority to declare martial law for an economic crisis. We don't need another attack. We have the crisis already. Everything this administration has done has been toward this end.
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Shirley Bianchi (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 90 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 12:53:10 PM
If you read through this, it states that "theorists" said that x, y, and z were discussed at the closed-door meeting. Meaning, all the points Linn mentions above.
But this is being theorized, not related as fact.
The second link to the Last Trumpet Newsletter in the article referenced by Linn quotes those theories as fact.
It is not known that these COngressional discussion points are fact. It is only theorized. That's important to know.
IE: This could be a hoax.
Or it could maybe be true. More likely, as evil lies with truth, it could contain a grain of truth which has been distorted out of context. The distortion of the facts are scaring us half to death.
But they are just distortions.
Such are the games our minds play on us. At least, often.
Again I don't put the idea of internment camps and rounding up vocal citizens past Bush Or Cheney. Not for a minute. I am not trying to contest someone's concern about the FEMA camps and why they are being built. After all, if for purposes of "national emergency", the fact is that this "emergency" state has been the "excuse' for every Constitutional violation under the sun, since 9-11 occurred. It's not impossible.
But calm down folks. It's probably exaggerated in our minds too.
REPEAT: Kucinich thought it was a meeting about the telecom immunity and spying on Americans. The Australian newspaper reports the secret meeting as being based on the spying.
And it's people who with wide open eyes and very smart minds, like all of us here, also may be prone to negative thinking and penultimate mental scenarios. I am guilty myself, FYI. But we have to remind ourselves that fear tells us about all the WORST things and also that they WILL happen. Instead of the more logical reality, which is that fear COULD be something that MIGHT happen. It's a POSSIBILITY but not a DEFINITE. Fear tells us something WILL happen instead of that it COULD. There is a big difference.
Let us calm our minds down and stay focused, with open and watchful eyes.
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Kathryn Smith (88 articles, 2 quicklinks, 35 diaries, 344 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 12:15:33 AM
Once again, I appreciate what you've written, Kathryn, your last paragraph especially. It's very true. And I think we should never underestimate our ability to change the way things turn out, through our responses to events. Calmness and strength in the face of whatever dangers, whether "real" or imagined, will bring about their own effects, their own chains of events.
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Aurora (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 339 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 1:25:06 AM
Has video on C-Span of Kucinich voicing concerns prior to the meeting. It's possible the purpose of the meeting might have been to warn what the consequences if not passing it. Think 9/11. Only the terrorists are not who you think they are.
IF BUSH WANTS TO ORDER MARSHALL LAW, WHO IN THE HELL IS GOING TO STOP HIM, THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, THE JUSTICE DEP., HOMELAND SECURITY. DON;T THINK SO, MIGHT WANT TO GET YOU TRAVELING KIT TOGETHER, AND THE ONLY THING OTHER THAN THAT, IS ("YOUR PAPERS PLEASE"). DO YOU THINK THIS CAN HAPPEN HERE?
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RICH SHA (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 106 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 2:51:34 AM
This fear is not just a liberal one. And investigating what appear to be internment camps and having them dismantled would be a good thing. In any case, reporting on this and investigating it and demanding answers and having people be alert to it, are all useful.
Thanks for commenting.
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Linn Cohen-Cole (11 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 47 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 11:09:22 AM
Hikers have noticed here in Northern Maine, a Fema "Camp" has barbed wire facing inwards...Hmmm...and then we hear that every Wal-Mart is near a railroad track and has fenced in enclosures (the garden shop) and is to be used as a "Collection Point".
Another good reason to stay out of the Mall Wart!!
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Bia Winter (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 241 comments)
on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 9:06:22 AM
