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September 1, 2008 at 04:39:07

Conservatives vs Liberals

by Ed Tubbs     Page 1 of 2 page(s)

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Conservatives vs Liberals 

I’m going to begin with a truism: What one believes bears no necessary relationship with that which is true.

The most eloquent example, of the hundred or so I could recite, traces back to the early 1600s in Europe, when the most potent transnational power was the Roman Catholic Church. The leadership held beliefs so strong they were backed by the most heinous of inhuman savageries as punishments to be visited on any and all who dared even think, then question the validity of the postulated beliefs. A frail old man was hauled before the Inquisition and was found guilty for promulgating the Copernican heliocentric (the sun is the center) notion as correct and the Church as incorrect. Galileo was condemned to house arrest and forbidden to “believe” anything that was at odds with what the Church held.  

 

However the roll began like a locomotive, to pull slowly out of the station, with the emerging Southern strategy of Nixon and Reagan, the conservative charge really gained vicious momentum in 1994; Democrats were demonized as not being sufficiently family oriented, as being insufficiently “Christian,” as unpatriotic, as even hating America.

 

I’m about as liberal — in the classic, European Enlightenment sense where the scientific method and evidence trump assertions of truth via “beliefs,” what you do with your body is none of my business, wherein no adult has authority over another to decide what any other adult may read, see, write, or say, and the Jeffersonian proposition that “Whether my neighbor believes in one god or twenty does me no harm; it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.” — as hopefully as you will not find an equal.

 

Last week I attended a gathering that commenced with the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. I excused myself at the intent. I try to stay away from events where the National Anthem will likely be played. My position is that if love of country depends on indoctrination via some memorized lines that spew forth from one’s lips with no more genuine passion than what Pavlov got from his dogs with a dinner bell, the country is probably not worth all that much. As to the National Anthem, as I cast my gaze about I’m unable to locate many who truly fit the definition of “brave.”

 

That said, few who know me know of no one who loves this country more. Those who have seen my naked body know the price I have paid for that love. As a young man, I served in the infantry, I served in the jungles, and I served my adoration of this country with a devotion that has never waned. I don’t need to demonstrate to anyone’s satisfaction that my love and patriotism meet their standards. And nothing angers me more than the vitriol that has gushed from the rear sphincters of conservatives, most especially from those cowards who had not the fortitude to serve, have not even the moral decency to want to pay their share of the financial cost, but have plenty of courage to send someone else, or someone else’s child, and put the financial burden on some future generation.

 

A few questions for conservatives; think of this as a quiz. Currently in one of the chambers of the federal legislature is a Medal of Honor recipient. Can you name the individual, the state from which this person hails, and the party affiliation? Next question: The 110th Congress consists of 435 members who are divided between Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. Of the three, which has the greatest number of military veterans, and, if you summed all combat medals that have been awarded, which has the greater number? Third question: If legislating on behalf of improved equipment for the active military (including the Guard and Reserves headed into combat) and on behalf of enhanced health and educational benefits for veterans is the guide, which political party has historically as well as currently proven a genuinely greater support of the troops, and which party has steadfastly been more miserly?

 

(No! I’m not going to provide the answers. I want all you conservatives to do the research and thereby be disabused of your own sanctimony.) 

 

Georgia’s Senator Max Cleland lost three limbs in Vietnam. Conservatives disparaged him as not being sufficiently patriotic and elected Johnny Isakson whose courage and bravery and patriotism were limited to six years, from 1966 to ’72, in the Georgia Air National Guard. (Those of us who served during that period fully recognized such service was a clear dodge from the peril of being sent to Vietnam, and a better alternative than facing indictment for fleeing the country.)

 

Conservatives have brought two other issues to the fore, as the other primary arrows in their quiver, to attack liberals: abortion and gay rights.

 

Let’s get one thing clear concerning “abortion”: Given there are approximately 300 million in the US today, the odds are great that some parents actually encourage their daughters to get pregnant, just so she can experience the thrill of abortion. I don’t know any that fit that population, nor have I ever heard of any who might. But I suppose there are. It’s my bet, on the other hand, that under the bell curve, way, way, way into one of the tails, most oppose it strenuously; not the right to one, but the encouragement of the experience. Moreover, all of those I’ve ever known, all of those I’ve ever heard of who support women’s reproductive rights to decide the issue themselves . . . all are staunchly in favor of human life.

 

(Disclosure: My personal position is that men have no moral right whatsoever pontificating on an issue, one way, or the other, that is women’s alone.) 

 

Making abortions completely illegal will not end the practice. Prior to Roe, young women who found themselves pregnant — and the mortified parents who would face horrendous social ostracizing — had the following choices available: bear the child and keep it, bear the child and surrender it to adoption, travel outside the country to secure an abortion, seek an abortion from a back-alley butcher, use a coat-hanger in an effort to do the job herself. It was often the case that those from a moneyed family went to Europe, for an extended R&R; “Sally’s been under such stress lately that we just felt she needed a break.” Many, many other women paid a back-alley butcher, then visited an emergency room, then, and all too often, paid with their lives in a most gruesome and agonizing death. The same held true for those who went the clothes-hanger route.

 

What Roe did — and what those opposed to Roe refuse to acknowledge — was to save the lives and prevent the physical mutilation of countless hundreds of thousands of young women. I’m not here going to suggest Roe’s opponents don’t care about the lives and physical condition of living women, or that the pregnancy and burden of  bearing and raising an unwanted child is somehow seen as just punishment for the sexual proclivities of the youth. Nonetheless, by the stridency of those opposed to Roe, the perception that that is part of their zeal is understandable.

 

But let’s get Biblical. There are a multitude of conservatives who contend that human life commences at the moment of conception, that the hundreds of thousands of Petri dishes containing frozen cells are somehow so sacrosanct that the contents cannot be used for scientific research into the causes and possible cures of any number of real human ailments; this regardless that the overwhelming majority are bound for incineration as bio-hazards! Better those contents be burned in a furnace than the souls of the living burn in hell for some perceived or imagined sinful trespass.

 

As to the Biblical angle I referenced: Genesis 2:7 states, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Anyone can believe whatever they wish, and as I said, there exists no necessity that that which one believes actually contains the first moment of truth or fact. But if you’re bound to Biblical edict as the wellspring of your position, Genesis is exquisitely manifest when life begins and when the human soul gains consonance with life! Any other postulation taken by Roe’s opponents draws from their own whimsy and agenda, not the Bible!

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An "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."

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Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

Conservative live for having kicks.

They love advantage and they will do anything to get it.  They love to lie, cheat, and steal.  And they love cruelty like it is their mother's milk.  When you really get to the bottom of 911, you find that some frat boys did 911 and stole 90% or our wealth for kicks.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1376 comments) on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 11:09:05 AM
 


I am retired with not enough money saved to counter inflation and being forced back into the work force. I am a vet, (Vietnam era), extremely disappointed with the aggressive, imperialistic direction this country has taken in Iraq, to control and usurp it's oil, and the extent to which BOTH parties are complicit.
Nick van NesI am retired with not enough money saved to counter inflation and being forced back into the work force. I am a vet, (Vietnam era), extremely disappointed with the aggressive, imperialistic direction this country has taken in Iraq, to control and usurp it's oil, and the extent to which BOTH parties are complicit.

Amen

Great article and thanks. It's time we start respnding to some of these radio talk show hosts rather than just encourage them with free reign. For all their talk of freedom this and freedom that, spreading democracy, etc., it is interesting to note that on almost every freedom issue, civil rights, women's lib, freedom of choice, gay rights, they were voting unanimously to hold back the freedoms they now credit our country for having. Take a look at their efforts to control the crowds at the repubnlican convention: swat teams busting in on homes as a preventative measure. The real and much more serious problem is that the "opposition party" is complicit. Why do the democrats refuse to impeach when the president, with wire tapping, has openly admitted to breajking the law. The Constitution demands they impeac but they don't. Pelosi, Conyers and my own rep, Delahunt, D-MA, must all go. Find out what their position is on impeachment, why they are afraid or refuse to impeach and post the results every where you can and then be sure not to vote for them again. It is never to late to impeach corruption at the top. It is our mistake and fault if we do not. We, the PEOPLE, are the ones running out of time, not the politicians.

by Nick van Nes (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 179 comments) on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 11:34:01 AM
 


A progressive ex-big city girl writing about her post-corporate American life in the Appalachian mountains. Progressive prospective on living and politics from off the corporate ladder.
kgongreA progressive ex-big city girl writing about her post-corporate American life in the Appalachian mountains. Progressive prospective on living and politics from off the corporate ladder.

the conservative mind trick

The conservative cries not because they so "oppressed" and "slighted" that their rights are being denied and they are not free to be as tight-assed and controlling with their own kind and kinder but rather because they are being kept from enforcing that same ideolgy on the rest of us.  This is why they are just as dangerous as the Taliban or any other group that believes they have some divine right to tell all people how they should live and think.  It is not about God, saving our Souls or protecting the unborn it is really about control and they are masters of it.  It is beyond me how the majority of Americans have not already stood up and said not in my country to right wing extremism.

Maybe it is time we do it now before it is too late.

peace y'all

A World Of Progress

by kgongre (19 articles, 0 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 28 comments) on Monday, September 1, 2008 at 1:52:14 PM
 


I find it hard to believe that the public feels led astray by President Bush for leading us into a war blindsided. Where were you when Bush went to the United Nations for help in finding out if Iraq had WMD's. How many chances did we give Saddam to come clean only to hear over and over again "I need more time, No you can't enter Iraq" How many chances did we give him? If it was up to the Democratic party would we still be waiting?
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don bybeeI find it hard to believe that the public feels led astray by President Bush for leading us into a war blindsided. Where were you when Bush went to the United Nations for help in finding out if Iraq had WMD's. How many chances did we give Saddam to come clean only to hear over and over again "I need more time, No you can't enter Iraq" How many chances did we give him? If it was up to the Democratic party would we still be waiting?
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The Real Difference

The Democrats scream peace , but riot in the Twin Cities breaking windows, and turning over cars...   very peaceful    how many arrests?  The Democrats don't have a clue, Hilary or Obama, and when McCain picks a female for his VP.. 
Democrats are upset because  Obama didn't pick Hillary.  Then there's talk about a sex scandel if McCain get\s in office but fail to remember Clinton, Monica and all the others. Why so serious ... everyone else is doing it... The Democratic Party wants free health care .. the same was promised of health care Congress has... who's paying for this?
Tax the Gas Companies so they'll quit producing so much and prices to go up??? Let's cut Senator Hillary's wages and hear her scream. The free care system is a failed give-me it's going broke in CANADA and if they can afford it, they come across the boarders for better health Care. No one says anything about waitng three months for treatment.
The Democrats cannot come to reality and still think Iran is a small country, and no longer fear Russian. They send their anti-war hero's to Syria to talk to the enemy, that bombs Israel after she leaves. They really think that terrorist listen and don't really hate America, they're just misunderstood .

Republican understand when Saddam said "You attack Iraq and we will destroy you with our WMD." I guess he was kidding and didn't really think we would. Someone picked up the threat and didn't back down like the last President did when the U.S. Cole was bombed and said he would find who was responsible and bombed an aspirin factory to get Monica off the front page.

Hope Obama get's in I'm going with Obama/Carter... in 2012 we'll see Hillary with the same motto "Time for Change in America" same one they've been using since Al Gore... the guy you really think won the election.

by don bybee (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 206 comments) on Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 7:32:09 PM
 


An "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."
Ed TubbsAn "Old Army Vet" and liberal, qua liberal, with a passion for open inquiry in a neverending quest for truth unpoisoned by religious superstitions. Per Voltaire: "He who can lead you to believe an absurdity can lead you to commit an atrocity."

Don, don't try to sit at the grownup's table.

Don Bybee,

 

The quality of your intellect is betrayed by the poor quality of your writing. But the sorry state of your writing ability is beside the point. So, let’s get to the point(s). Mind if we look at a couple facts?

 

You suggest that the civil disturbances in Minneapolis are the actions of “Democrats.” There are a great number of Americans with some pretty great and protracted grievances against the most unpopular president in US history, and against the party that lockstep supported him. Specifically, and with confirmable attribution Don, what evidence do you have the transgressors are Democrats?

 

You mention an “anti-war” hero. Don, in 1965 I was in the 7th Cav, in the jungles, and I paid a price, and the payments are still being made. Tomorrow I go back to the VA med center in Reno. Among my greatest fears are those who claim, not to be ANTI-war, but are PRO-war. I didn’t serve with anyone who thought it was anything but the most egregious of all possible human failures, nor have I yet met a combat veteran who felt differently. But I’ll tell you what, Ill give you the benefit of the doubt. Here’s my service number, what used to be known as a serial number: RA 16 805 398. What’s yours? And please, serving aboard some naval vessel offshore, or on a tarmac in the Dakotas does NOT QUALIFY as knowing anything whatsoever about the dangers, the fears, and the traumas known to the core of their marrow by the marines and soldiers who do all too well.

 

Lastly, you pop off about the USS Cole, and the failure of President Clinton to respond as you’d have liked. Well, what would you have wanted him to do, knowing as he did that as of the date of the attack, the very strong odds were that the next president, Republican or Democrat would be forced to deal with whatever he began? Would you have wanted Clinton to respond the way Reagan did when the Stark was attacked in 1987, when Reagan had another two years left to finish  what he would have started?

 

Can you even tell me when the Stark was attacked, the number killed, or the number injured, and do you have the courage to tell me and everyone else precisely how Regan responded?

 

Don, your considerable ignorance is plain upon the table for all to see. My suggestion: Quit embarrassing yourself.

 Ed Tubbs  

by Ed Tubbs (178 articles, 1 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 58 comments) on Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 9:47:14 PM
 

 

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