with his dead eyed face.  The zombie-in-chief was evidently chosen for his hatchet technique. 

How long will it take Obama to realize this gross mistake? Or have appearances once again completely submerged any hope of substantive change........ The world doesn't trust us anymore. Why should we trust us?

by Laudyms (0 articles, 1142 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 708 comments [138 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:15:41 PM

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We could have had President Palin.

Maybe as his first official act, Obama will have the solar panels put back on the top of the White House.  Symbolic action, of course, as the White House must use tons of energy, but an important statement, none-the-less.  After all, it was PCR's old boss, (Saint) Ronald Reagan who had those panels taken DOWN as HIS first action, thereby telling Americans that "we can do whatever the hell we want, and conservation need not be part of our agenda."

Imagine if that a-hole had actually promoted conservation back then, rather than reliance on middle-eastern oil back in the 1980's?  Hmmm?  Maybe by now, we wouldn't have to be such close friends with Israel.

by Charlie L (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 747 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:36:08 PM

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would have accelerated the transformation;

The change that is coming is the end of American empire.  The hegemon has run out of money and influence.  Obama as "America's First Black President" will lift hopes and, thus, allow the act to be carried on a little longer. 

Obama gives it more time. Palin & Simple. 

;o)

by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:11:37 PM

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Here's what would happen, once Palin was sworn in, that night in the White House a team of CIA Black-ops would switch her with Tina Fey, and we'd have a real comedian running the country for once.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:04:48 PM

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And is just as pro-israel as the rest.

by Afi James (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 10 comments) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:22:12 PM

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   First, one has to do what is POSSIBLE, and I think we have gotten the best that  this time in history would allow.

Now, it is up to us to apply the necessary pressure on this new administration to move further into what is now possible, not tear it down before it has a chance to implement the Change.

Nothing happens overnight, and Obama could not have won without some kow-towing to Israel, which has become de-riguer for all politicians, the third rail. Especially with all the rumors about him being a Muslim, they would have cut him off at the knees.

I was as dismayed as the author to hear of Rahm Emmanuel's appointment, but I'm hoping it will only be transitionary. (there's that word again!)

Like the I-Ching reading said, there will be great difficulties and dangers at the beginning, but the right man has emerged at the right time, and now there can be many important things done, with many able helpers.

Let's get him safely into office first; it's still a long way to Jan. 20th, and there are many who would like to cut Obama down. There would not be if he was the "Same con", as so many disgruntled Progressives assert. There would have been utter desperation, depression and Inertia if McSame/Palin had won. The whole World feels relief!

If we can do what is Possible now, we can build on that, even if it's a transition to the much-needed Demise of American Hegemony.

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:16:06 AM

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For us in the Arab & Islamic World we read your comment's title as "Conned As Always." I fully agree with Paul, every word of it! I couldn't have said it better. There is no hope for us in America, Republican or Democratic, White or Black till such times the Govt of Israel in Israel and the Govt of Israel in America can get away with murder!  

by syed mahdi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 92 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:12:59 PM

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How long did the man pursue ballet before he pursued political enemies?  I don't know (or really care) but the fact that I remember that bit of trivia from former elections means that blogdom does have a long memory, even for old Chicagoland residents like me. 

Obama and Emanuel are friends, most likely inevitable from so-called Chicago politics.  Something of a disconnect comes over the Israel question, however.  I wonder why no one has found something new to write about. Like (maybe) the governor of Hawaii recommending the governor of Alaska as McCain's running mate.  It's a Lower 50s kind of thing.  As for Israel I learned I had little reason to comment when I lived in NYC at the  birthing of a 60-year-old question.  

BTW, the Duckworth matter I do remember.  The seat in question was Henry Hyde's old district.  At one time he was in my voting face (Cook county) and now there's a man I have no trouble remembering, as well as the daughter of the "other woman" at B Clinton's year of infamy.  I'm a recovering gossip on some of those old tales.  Saints preserve me!

by Margaret Bassett (45 articles, 2909 quicklinks, 42 diaries, 1851 comments [99 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:24:33 PM

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I understand there's no reference to Tammy Duckworth in PC Roberts' article. For those of you who would like further information on Duckworth - she's being considered for Obama's Senate seat in Illinois.  

Tammy Duckworth, a severely wounded Iraq veteran, ran for Congress in 2006 but was defeated.  I viewed Duckworth's defeat, and Max Cleland's in 2002, as travesties.  I wrote an article about Duckworth's defeat on Veterans' Day exactly two years ago.  Unfortunately, due to technical issues on this site, I'm unable to include the article link in this comment.  However, if you care to google it, the title is, "It's Veterans' Day In America, Where Max Cleland and Tammy Duckworth Deserve To Be In Congress."  

Hopefully Tammy Duckworth will be appointed to Barack Obama's seat in Illinois.  She has earned her place in the Senate. To make the case for Tammy Duckworth's appointment to the US Senate, please contact the Governor of Illinois at:

Phone: 217-782-7884

Fax: 217-524-6262 

by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:09:14 PM

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by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:37:50 PM

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I agree with P.C. Roberts entirely on his analysis.  I was, and remain, furious over the appointment of Rahm Emanuel.  My one criticism of this article is the unnecessary reference to the Jewish ancestry of Madeleine Albright.  In fact, Albright has stated that she grew up unaware that she was a Jew and found out later in life.  Nonetheless, whether a person is Jewish has no relevance in this matter.   It's the person's ideology based on US/Israel relationships that matters. Albright's major regression was her lack of concern and sensitivity for a million dead children - not her Jewish ancestry.  

Rahm Emanuel, on the other hand, is driven by his ideological ties to Israel which overwhelm his ability to see the Palestinian (and overall middle east issue) with the fairness it deserves.  

But to be clear, I don't believe Roberts and Cockburn by virtue of their criticisms, want Obama to fail.  They are making legitimate observations that need to be made.  I'm very critical of some of the President-elect's choices - however I want DESPERATELY for him to succeed and I will do everything I can as an activist and as a writer to move him to make proper choices.  

by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:57:27 PM

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We shuffled the deck chairs.

Same agenda, new faces. Americans will one day get tired of the con and vote 3rd party, maybe.

by jeff prager (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 188 comments) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:52:23 PM

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A good article, BUT you defeat your own arguement when you point out which of Obama's associates who have Jewish parents, grandparents, etc.  These people's actions are what count.  You can be Jewish and truly progressive, but by claiming that this person has Russian Jew grandparents you automatically give an anti-semite vibe to your writing.  What they've done is the point.

by Stuart Bedasso (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:24:58 PM

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about the Obama election.  It could well be that Emanuel was chosen as chief of staff as a condition of the massive campaign funding that he received  from Israeli interests, including Wall Street.  It seemed to take him no time at all to make that particular decision. Had it been made in advance?

Mr. Bedasso:  What the article points out are the interests and affiliation of those named as a way of explainnig their actions.  Let's be careful whom we call an anti-Semite and why.

by Cameron Salisbury (17 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 24 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:48:50 PM

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I had the same observation in my comment above regarding reference to Madeleine Albright's Jewish ancestry.  The reference is irrelevant here as I mentioned.  PC Roberts is not an anti-semite and this unwarranted derogatory, as used by Mr. Bedasso, is inflammatory and detracts from the facts Mr. Roberts is reporting.

by Linda Milazzo (128 articles, 1 quicklinks, 18 diaries, 210 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:04:46 PM

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of the Zionists (whether Jewish, Christian, or other) to label opponents of their intent to world domination as Nazi-like racists? This is done to obfuscate the fact the first terrorists in the middle east were Zionists, many at that time who just happened to be born Jewish, but who had rejected tennants of their faith, preferring instead a secular seizure of an Isreali homeland instead of waiting for God to gift them when 'HE' decided pennance was satisfied. To confuse righteous people of the Jewish faith with these secular Zionist monsters is not only inappropriate, but dangerous.

As an American citizen I am appalled at the influence such a minority radical population has on our US foreign policy, but this is to be expected when 200 high placed dual Isreali/US citizenship people hold high places in this government (including & especially Michael Chertoff, head of the Department of Homeland Security). WHICH homeland is the master he serves?...they serve?

by Paul Magill Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments [46 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:55:50 PM

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for giving me a 'think twice' page to navagate in order post the words 'Zionist' and 'Nazi' in a blog. Their statement that many people use the word inappropriately, are racist, anti-Semitic, or bigoted might be true in some cases, but when used truthfully, and based on much research, I consider offensive & contrary to our right of free speech. I would expect Op Ed News to be more supportive of informed Americans who are determined to fight this miniscule minority of deviants who threaten peaceful liberty in America & the world

by Paul Magill Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments [46 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:12:27 PM

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If the shoe fits, wear it, I figure.

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:23:02 AM

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Obama never promised to end America's wars.  He has always stated that he is not a peace person, and he promised in his campaign to increase military spending and the size of the military forces.  He thinks Iraq diverted us from the right wars.  It is right to be unhappy about Obama's direction, but wrong to charge that it is a breach of promise.

Obama comes out of Chicago politics, not a pretty place.   He may not have been on the inside at the beginning of his political career, but he soon got there.  Where we can challenge his faithfulness to his promises is in changing the political atmosphere.  The Emmanuel appointment seems a very clear indication that he did not mean that. Emmanuel is sort of a poster boy for all that is wrong in our politics that Obama said he would change.

by Bill Samuel (5 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 445 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:56:50 PM

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I think Obama is in an excellent position to at least reverse the damage done to our Constitution, including the signing statements, and the War Powers Act.

He has already said he wants to do that.  

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:33:47 AM

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Mr. Roberts. You're sailing into a strong headwind of election euphoria around here. If you keep pointing out the obvious, you might even get yourself banned from this site (I hope not).

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss; a kinder, gentler machine gun hand.

I agree that the GOP needed to be repudiated at the ballot box, but what did we really get in return? We're finding out soon enough.

by Sam Adams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 90 comments) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:04:50 PM

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Regardless of folks may think, I had had the faint hope that Obama might be a new coin in the realm but learning of his positions and actions before the election, I realized that the old saw about both parties being two sides of the same coin rang more truly. And even if Obama has any secret desires to change anything truly for the better ... he will never have the chance.

Focusing on the positive for a moment (I know, so out of character) we clearly have to do something to counter, as much as we may, the evil influence of the elite's political 'Guard' ensconced all about Obama. Which at least entails ramping up contacting all of our old and new representatives in congress. Explain that we understand the game and we will not tolerate it anymore. That Obama's cache of hope and trust from Americans will end rather quickly if the same old crap spews out of Washington. Particularly so, if the goals of NWO have primacy and/or if Brzezinski's Central Asia wars are promoted. That none of his solutions (as well as his 'solution' to the often referred to crisis coming in January) will engender any support of the people unless they truly are solutions reflecting the Constitution, encourage freedom and the real values and hope of Americans.  

by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 1359 comments [400 recommended, 8 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:28:10 PM

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How can anyone in their right mind expect meaningful change ahead when Brzezinski has been one of Obama's advisors?

by Bill Cain (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 434 comments [67 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:40:03 PM

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I'm pissed, and I've been pissed for a long, long time, since Kent State, and still see no justice.

We went into the streets and fought back, back then. We won some ground and for a little while, gained back some rights, but not before people died. Many more than every got reported. I can't tell you what exactly the numbers are, but I'm sure they're high, for when I think back all my close friends from that time died violently, well before their time.

That war of the streets never really ended, and is about to claim many more lives, depending on how many members of our military and police go along with what is going to take place. If enough citizens back them they'll back us. 

For when, not "if" folks, "if" sailed from dock and is not coming back, when the rest of the world and the American people finally realize that no amount of "wishing & hoping" that Obama isn't going to manifest himself into something he's never been, and once it dawns on all these "kumb-by-yaa's" that there is no "there" there, we'll see some "change" alright.  

Here's what  might happen, all Obama might have done is prolong the fall, but that's not a "good" thing per-say, and even if we have a reincarnation of 3 of the top leaders in American history and Christ Himself, and today we fell off that cliff, (hint- we've already fallen) it would be a 2,000 ft fall. With Obama, when the people of this world finally come to grips with knowing they've been had one more time, it will be a 12,000 ft splat.

For those of you that argue that having McCain it would be worse, I say, maybe, maybe not.

One, if McCain would of somehow become POTUS rage coming from another stolen election would have driven people once again into the streets to reclaim our country, and like that fall from the cliff, the forces behind Obama, and McCain, can't afford to have us fighting back in force just yet.

But there was no need to rig another election, they had their man in Obama. In plain sight Obama would slap this desperate for change public in the face with where he was coming from, and watched as his public fortunes would  rise with every betrayal. I guess once the Puppet-Masters found out what they could get away with having a dunce like Bush, that with a man of Obama's showmanship talents they could really stick it to us.

So, stealing the election wasn't necessary and risky.

Second, if McCain would have won he would have been so ham-strung with both houses in Dem control that nothing could get done. as a matter of fact, more might have been able to pass of a more positive nature in the way of social programs. There would be certainly no way McCain would be given free-hand to start wars.

And that folks, I am sorry to say is about the best we could have hoped for. You can forget if Palin made it, no one would pay her any attention, there would be a coup before she gave her first order.

With Obama he's going to be able to play the con a little longer, allow the rapers to now clean out our 401's and pension funds, take the rest of our land and resources with impunity. Congress is less likely to say no to a popular president than one that's hated. So even more war would be easier to pass and no one loves war more than the same bankers, cretins of industry and military people Obama is surrounding himself with. This is pretty much the same scenario bush had in 04', only again, by that time he was hated and has none of Obama's talents.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Between now and that time we near that big splat here's what you should do.

Do whatever you can to secure food. Storable, gardening, buy co-op and locally. Water same.

Obtain energy sources off the grid. Solar, wind, whatever.

Obtain hand tools and learn how to use them.

Get to know your neighbors and local authorities. Learn which one's you can trust as best you can.

Buy guns and ammo, and pray you never have to use them, but learn how to just in case.

And please, please don't let me hear anyone say I'm being "negative". I'm so over this crap. Look, let me tell you something, okay?

The Democratic party is DEAD! Walk up to it, kick it, give it electroshock, do whatever the hell you want with it, prop it up like that stiff in Weekend at Bernie's for all I care, it aint coming back to life! That's not being negative, it's a GD fact! Obama is your Bernie, that's all he is! Enjoy your weekend at the beach, because there's a tsunami about to hit it.

The war is coming home and back to the streets folks, it never really left, but it's going to be hotter than anything we've seen in our past. Think Katrina, Blackwater and a thousand  "drowning victims" with bullet holes in their heads.

I'm not trying to scare you. I'm giving you an opinion that has been formed from observation of facts. Some of those "drowning victims" were people I knew. Obama is not going to investigate 9/11. He's not going after crooked bankers or Wall St. scum. He's not going to stop any wars. He may very well start more.

How do I know this? By listening to what Obama says and what he does. It's really not a mystery.

But some of you idiots will still complain I'm "negging you out", you'll point to the 200 hundred signing statements Obama is going to resend when Bush signed over 2,000 and cover your eyes and ears and go "la-la-la-la" hoping it will all go away. Just don't come around my front door when the bullets start flying. And if they don't, and I wind up looking like an idiot, good! But if I'm wrong I'd rather error on the side of caution. Because during the last Great Depression, 7,000,000 people starved to death and that was when we had less people and 90% of them lived on farms, now 90% live in cities and don't have knowledge enough to grow weeds.

Now for the good news.

Depending on how many people finally awaken before they realize that no one man or major political party is going to save them and that we're own our own, and after the blood-letting, if enough of us have awakened and regained control of our streets, we can form a truly representative government and shed the dead coil of of this corrupt government we now have hopefully forever.

So stop waiting around for justice. I'm still waiting for someone to be charged for Kent State.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:04:58 PM

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negative analysis....

Perhaps I should have reversed those....

Perhaps if Data ... from the Star Trek series were here he might say with perfect equanimity ... I'm sorry Captain but, entering the predictive numerical equivalents for all known past and current circumstances relevant to the national and world configuration into the in-equilibrium equation yields a probability factor of 87.8765432... that the aforementioned outcome will prevail. 

Now, in spite of the fact that all pollyanniacs will decry the negativity... (because they still believe the people have some control, some say in all these matters of government),  it is not negative to assert such a probability. Because it is, unfortunately, pretty much empirically based.  

However, we can only try ... to influence the beasts in Washington (metaphor for all the places the actual movers hang out). Unfortunately, given the effectiveness of the efforts against Paulson and Bernake with respect to the Bailout Bill ... one has to be circumspect regarding the chances of altering the picture or the plan.

But, I will try even while at the same time, I procure more of the necessities to survive. And if Obama gives a me a few months or a year more ... so much the better. Of course, if the dire predictions of a major crisis in January (more or less) prove true ... well, then, I'll be glad I've got as much collected as I do.

BTW, Mr. M., were you at KSU? I was on the grassy knoll with my first wife just prior to the shots being fired. If we hadn't known before, we certainly knew afterwards what the state can and will do. And everything I've learned since then has only reinforced that 'negative' but equally 'realistic' comprehension.  

I was sort of taken aback by Rob's and others' anger and, ultimately, amused by their naivete. They want so much to hope. And anger to the point of senselessness if anybody rocks that canoe.

But the effort to think of constructive things that might be done is not misguided. We should do all that we can. It's just that I've not heard anybody ... in all the last few bunches of posts ... come up with actual things they can do. They have all railed about what needs to change but given the obvious impotence demonstrated by the people (e.g., bailout bill), it's hard to see how actual positive change (not just change) might occur. I'll make the effort to contact my representatives ... but will that be effective? Given recent events.. hardly likely. Will demonstrations be effective? Nope. Will any number of efforts to communicate circumstances to the 'people' have any chance of overcoming denial and cog. diss. Not very likely. Unfortunately, Naomi Wolfe had it right... almost... she erroneously and moslty blamed the Bush/neocon forces. Alex Jones appeared to wake her up a bit when she was one his show. But actually, the descent into fascism clearly and obviously goes far beyond just the Bushista middle-management incarnation. And given the folks Obama has surrounding him, the natural extension of the previous two administrations continues into this one. 

Nevertheless, I will continue to rack my meagre brain to come up with something, anything that might actually have an effect upon the corporatists, the deep government, the Likudnics, the Trilaterals, CFR's and Bilderbergs ad nauseum. If even in a small but positive way. And if anybody else can conjure up something that realistically has a chance, I'd be thankful to support it too. Because I don't look forward to the alternative. Perhaps a quote of a part of Jeff's (owner of rigorous intuition) article 'House of Secrets' on Obama might be germane:

 "When Bill Clinton entered the presidency, he sought some back-channel answers to questions not addressed in his classified briefing. His Deputy Attorney General Webster Hubbell wrote in Friends in High Places:

Clinton had said, 'If I put you over at Justice, I want you to find the answers to two questions for me. One, who killed JFK. And two, are there UFOs?" Clinton was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting.

Clinton might have curried the Deep State's favour in Mena, but it withheld its deeper secrets from him and his Arkansas capo as from middle managers just passing through without a legitimate need to know. (The seeming otherworldliness of the Bush/Cheney years is largely accounted for by the broad, intuitive dread that Cheney knows.) Obama doesn't even display Clinton's idle curiosity, though he and his Chicago Mafia do show some of his hubris. Should he change in office, and light a lamp in America's shuttered rooms, he may feel the Earth take a half turn backwards, while its true rulers decide what to do with him."

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by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 1359 comments [400 recommended, 8 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:58:18 PM

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.. and the way I am. He would always coming home with bloody knuckles and black-eyes, they didn't have Internet back than but Union meetings and bar-rooms brawls.

I remember once when he had a professional painter friend paint the side of his panel-truck with this slogan: "Ike Plays Golf, - While Mike Plays With His Yo-Yo", with cartoon characters and all. Made the local paper.

No, I wasn't at Kent State, I was in Berkley when KS happened. Not attending, I was one of those "outside agitators". My awakening actually happened way before KS, but that incident made it clear that we were fighting madmen.

I would almost feel sorry for Rob and all those that want so desperately to believe there's still something to salvage from either of these two corrupt parties, but 9/11 was the coup de gra, this time's KS. But it hasn't dawned on them yet. And I could almost forgive them, except for this latest attempt to silence that they do not wish to hear. As though by not recognizing what is will make it magically all go away.

Do they really think that by banning those that speak their minds about what are some very valid points is going to make it go away? Did they think it was going to shut me up? Or turn me into something I'm not?

Not over my old-man's dead body. It just pissed me off that much more. And if I get banned, I really don't give a sh*t at this point. If I'm not welcome in a place that can't stand what I believe to be true and they can't handle that, to Hell with em'.

I'm sorry if there are painful truths out there, it's not my fault. But I've shed blood in this fight and lost friends, I earned my bone-a-fides, not by rubbing elbows with those that suppress us in hollowed-halls and ivory towers, getting seduced by their lies, but out on the streets, the same ones we're going to have to reclaim. That is if enough people stop believing in fairy-tales.  

I don't want to see these things I'm seeing. I don't want to have to keep fighting the hard fight. I wish we could effect those in power, but we can't. It should be self-evident by now. And that doesn't mean stop trying, it means we have to change our tactics to a war footing. Because the peaceful ones aren't working. They're just prolonging the inevitable. I don't like telling others that it's nice to have good intentions and happy thoughts, but that those alone don't bring down the monsters that are ravaging our land. It's not my GD fault these things are happening! 

The next protest is Nov 22 with End the Fed, for what good it will do. But I'll be there. I'll get photographed again, hopefully that's all. But soon enough it will be more. They'll be more Kent States. And if it's me this next time, so be it. Beats going in a FEMA camp sitting next to Rob saying,"I told ya so."

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:15:02 PM

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I believe your words ring true, especially about the fact we will only survive the upcoming onslaught if the troops are on our side. Then we will have a battle royale with the private mercenaries of Blackwater, et al. One factor in our favor is that, although the number of private mercenaries in Iraq might be equivalent to regular soldiers of the US, in the states they are far outnumbered. Then again,employees of the prison industrial complex are paid employees of the radical right so that will swell the numbers of the coup makers.

A big point in favor of 'the people' is our sheer numbers, knowledge of the landscape, and available resources. If the US military had problems subdueing a backward country like Iraq, with only about 25 million poulation, they have small chance with 300 million, especially since there are enough weapons in this country for all of them.

With the 46 to 52% split in the recent election a civil war could ensue, but I believe many of the 46% might switch sides if they found out it was a war between the people & a corrupt government intent on putting ALL Americans beneath the bootheel. Then again, I hope you will forgive my optimism that might run contrary to realism.

by Paul Magill Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments [46 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:17:13 PM

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... and indeed our numbers are what might do the trick.

That's why they don't want to start this war now. If we were to take to the streets now armed, they'd be caught off-guard and unprepared. There would still be a lot of bloodshed, but not near as much as what's coming the longer we wait. I'm not advocating violence, I'm just saying what John Kennedy said: "Those that make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable."

They'll be another 9/11. I take these cretins at their word. When they say Obama is going to be "tested", they don't mean him, they know what's coming, it's us that are going to be tested. And if enough people fall for this crap, we're toast. And after the next attack they'll lower the Martial Law boom, draft, expanded war and really put the crush to us. By that time the masses will have been corralled enough and cowered to possibly pull-off their final solution.

All I know is that those of us that are aware, better prepare, and we have to keep on trying to make others aware too,  because like you said, we'll need those numbers.

And if we are the ones to come out looking the fools, I would think of nothing that would make me more happy. Because I'd rather be a happy live fool than a dumb dead one.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Sunday, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:38:58 PM

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Stealing the election wasn't POSSIBLE this time, because people were watching, and mostly because it wasn't that close! 

This is the nearest thing we've had to a mandate in years, on either side!

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:37:09 AM

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As usual, PCR's sober analysis is right on the money.

I'd like to add some historical and moral context to the discussion.

On 09/11/01, in a bold attempt to change the world, a group of "people" pulled off a false-flag terror attack in the U.S. Their goal? Apparently to make the American Beast of Burden start wars and a major war in the Mid-East, perhaps resulting in WW3...a so-called "Clash of Civilizations", whereupon the Israeli Empire rises from the ashes...an ethnically pure greater Israel, lording it over the remnants of smashed Arab states, never having to make an equitable peace with anyone. That's the "dream", apparently.

So in order to make it happen, they pulled-off the 9/11 attacks. But things haven't gone smoothly for the conspirators: Iraq and Afghanistan quickly became quagmires, bleeding the Empire profusely; Russia is fast rising; Iran isn't playing by the rules; the U.S. economy is getting worse by the day; the 9/11 Truth movement is relentlessly pursuing the truth, all over the world; and lastly, just like all his other failed ventures, Junior Bush apparently wants out of the dictator/war criminal business.

Now comes Obama, the first black President of the U.S., onto the stage. And one thing that I don't think Obama is, is totally stupid. He may actually realize, at some level, that his handlers are madmen, and that their plans will fail. He may realize that he has two choices: (1) defy his would-be masters, sever all the self-destructive ties to Israel, thereby save what's left of America, and go down in history as the greatest American President of all time; or, be another moral coward and mindless puppet, finish off what's left of America for the sake of his evil masters' bloodthirsty delusions, and become a hated war criminal just like his predecessor.

The AIPAC/PNAC/Neocon/Zioni$t Extremists must now be in a rather precarious, desperate situation. What if a foreign government steps out of line and demands a real investigation into the 9/11 fraud? What if Obama decides to be a hero? The first black President saves America?

Under the circumstances, they simply cannot afford to let him out of their sight. That's probably why a deal was made long beforehand that an extremist like will be Chief of Staff. Obama will need to be micromanaged.

Putting it all together, I think we are presently at great risk of another false-flag terror attack. The PNAC conspirators must by now be desperate and feel they have nothing to lose.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:19:27 AM

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I have always said, unravel 9/11 and we'll get to the bottom of this whole mess. And we can't wait 30 years like we had to with KFK's murder!

But I certainly think we'll ALL have a better chance under Obama, even if it's just more time to prepare for the Fall.

I think Obama believes in Free Speech, and internet neutrality, and we have seen how much the Net has helped us uncover their machinations in the past, and I also think we'd already be in Iran and WWIII if not for this vigilance.

It is now -immediately! -Congress's job to IMPEACH the current administration before they abscond un-chastised and un-prosecuted with the wealth and the secrets, or have still the chance to cause more mischief, maybe another "Tri-Fecta". Obama cannot do this by himself, but once done, it will clear the way for the further "Changes" we need.

But let us not trash the gains we have made: The American People rose above prejudice and chose the Better Man, despite what everyone expected. This is no small accomplishment. My cousin in Rostock says the Germans are amazed; Few of them could even imagine a black president there. 

There clearly IS reason to hope, however modestly.  

by Bia Winter (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 756 comments [119 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:58:35 AM

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...as my Western Civ professor said decades ago, "The ins stay in", and will do whatever it takes to do so.

We're down to push comes to shove now, and I've ben saying this is the perfect time (before the inauguration) to pull another false-flag attack like 911. NSPD #51 is in place, habeas corpus is gutted, as well as posse comitatus, the FEMA camps are prepared to hold 2.2 million enemy 'non-combatants/protestors, and a division has been brought back from Iraq to train especially for riot & civil unrest control. . The public is pissed, and wants accountability & to see these criminals stand trial. Despite all attempts to control media, just like in Soviet Union days the truth has the dastardly habit of leaking out, made easier now with the internet.

It's a toss-up now. Is NSPD #51 invoked over the financial meltdown, or a small nuke set off in a mid-western city insignificant in regard to the overall world markets, or are Obama AND Biden assassinated together before the inauguration? Since Obama is a CFR member, and no US president has been elected since this nefarious suspect group was formed in the early 1920's with out being a member, maybe nothing will happen delivering substantive change for the common man/woman.

Then again, if I was smart I would have been born rich, so I must be pretty stupid because I wasn't.  I am determined, though, something no amount of ripped off loot can ever purchase.

by Paul Magill Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments [46 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:10:59 AM

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The path to Obama's remarkable sequence of successes is littered with extraordicary compromises, promises and allegiances - the most significant of which, was his bowing to the AIPAC alter immediately upon securing the Democratic nomination.

US foreign policy, the larger political agendas and the design of American perceptions will remain firmy under the Neocon/Zionist control.

And in the way that the 911 attacks defined a two-term Bush agenda, lest we be surprised at yet another "unforeseen" and catastrophic event to define the Obama legacy?  Continued US hegemony will be assured - our self-appointed masters within the shadow government are on a roll.

Only time will reveal just how the bewildered herd will fare - this time around.

Think there might be a paradigm shift within the immense hierarchy and great machine of mass manipulation considering this new face in the White House?

Not hardly.

by Michael McCoy (7 articles, 1 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 487 comments [26 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:00:23 AM

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I used to hold out some hope that 9/11 Truth could break the death-grip that our AIPAC/PNAC/Neocon/Zionist extremist enemies have on our government.

I now no longer believe that anything positive will ever come from within the U.S., no matter how obvious the whole treasonous fraud becomes.

The fact that the FBI's laughable anthrax "investigation" fraud seems to be going completely unchallenged should remove any doubt as to who's in complete control.

Between the consummate personal corruption of our Congressmen, and our enemies' sophisticated eavesdropping and blackmailing infrastructure, money and media control, nothing important will ever come of any of it, from within, and that much is crystal clear.

Thus as I see it, the only possible hope we have is that some foreign government will take up the cause of 9/11 Truth in the international arena.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 at 7:02:22 AM

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... I'm not so sure foreign governments weren't also bought-off. I would hope not, and indeed a few of them have said more about 9/11 than our own, notably Japan.

But I'll keep holding out hope that somehow, someway, truth of 9/11 comes out. Because I can't help but believe that is the lynchpin that could bring these NWO cretins to their knees.

Until then things aren't looking so good. The mass hypnosis Obama has put most of our sheeple into a deep trance. About the only silver-lining I can gleam is with hopes so high that when the fall comes the rage coming from a people once again fooled will be more than these cretins can handle.

Unfortunately, I fear it's not going to be a bloodless coup. All of this too may well have been planned, even the debacle in Iraq. It serves no purpose to have a quick war. A prolonged war earns more money for them, drains us of our money and turns troops into zombie sociopaths and fits into their Eugenics program of population reduction.

It may come down to local police. We'll have to spread the word among them, give them DVD's and literature that hopefully will wake them up and when the orders come down they'll know what to do. Once they realize that it's them and their families to that are targets for elimination too we may be able to stop this on the streets, which ultimately is where it all come down to.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Monday, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:21:46 AM

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with the Rahm Emanuel pick.

I hope it was Obama and not us that was conned. He can always fire Emanuel if he proves a roadblock to peace and transparency, which many of us suspect that he will do. Obama was elected on a change mandate. The world will see through it if it is just more of the same. 

I'm glad to see there are reasons for hope so I can resist caving in to chronic, terminal cynicism and negativity.

by Kathlyn Stone (46 articles, 227 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 690 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:17:29 AM

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Earlier in this thread there was some questioning about bringing up the point that Madeline Albright is a member of the Tribe (the Jewish people).

But if you can’t talk about the Tribe, you’ve lost freedom of speech about the most important issues we have: so-called immigration; eternal wars in the middle east; Balkan wars; denial that any Caucasians should have any concern over the replacement of Caucasians; pushing tenured professors out of academia because they gather facts about the Tribe; pushing people out of jobs and academia because they state facts that some can interpret as questioning some of the standard Holocaust assertions. Etc.

Got freedom of speech? No. And no one is going to do anything about it, except arrest you if you complain too much. America is over. The Tribe’s Bolshevism is here, now, in resurrected form.

Freedom of speech is dead. The Constitution is dead. America is dead. And I believe the overall actions from the Tribe group are a big factor. Go ahead and demonize me, marginalize me, chase me from my job, terrorize any attempt by people like me to peaceably assemble, arrest me. And all the while stick your head in the sand. Because that is what is happening in this country today.

by Mr Truthandme (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:58:57 PM

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