a liberal is someone who walks out of the room when an argument turns into a fight

a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged

In the spring of 2001 we brought this person to speak at a conference dealing with crimes committed by FBI agents.

http://www.fbicover-up.com/lawsuit/july27.htm

Clarke-representing Patrick Knowlton who linked the Clintons to the Vince foster Murder

This document was filed in the United States Court of Appeals July 27, 2000

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS

FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT

No. 99-5433
(C.A. 96-02467 JGP)

PATRICK JAMES KNOWLTON, Appellant )
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v. )
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RUSSELL T. BRANSFORD, et al., Appellees )
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by mssarnhatt (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:11:59 PM

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So when righty extremists spout crackpot conspiracy theories, well, they're crackpots. But when the extreme left pulls the same crap (as Miller is doing), that is somehow truth to power?

No way. Crackpots are crackpots. No political wing is immune.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 744 comments [30 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:41:45 PM

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I actually agree, though I appreciate all Mark's work on election integrity, the death of Mike Connell should not be about whether Rove whacked him or not until appropriate evidence is discovered. The NTSB will take weeks to make public reports of how Connell died and even then it may be inconclusive. It's entirely possible that this death was accidental, coincidental and a stroke of luck for those he was going to testify against.

What we should do, however, is proceed full steam with the investigation of voter fraud in Ohio 2004. Though it's taken years, prosecutors have evidence suggesting Ken Blackwell gave a 2AM election night order for Connell to switch the official Ohio election results feed from Ohio state servers to a server in the basement of a Tennessee bank run by SmarTech, a company owned in name by Connell's wife.

At that time, the results reversed Kerry's lead, giving Bush wins in key Ohio districts. The results varied from exit polls by 6-7%, exceeding survey margins of error so the wins were astonishing upsets in unlikely districts, but were certified after claims of voting anomalies were shouted down as "conspiracy theories".

So the detective work by citizen watchdog groups Velvet Revolution and ePluribus Media led years later to a judge requiring Connell, Bush and Rove's chief IT guy, to testify the day before the 2008 election. Represented by two of Bush's 2004 Ohio election lawyers, he stonewalled, but was scheduled to testify again and according to Raw Story reporter Larisa Alexandrovna, was talking to her and prosecutors about how he could cooperate.

This prompted the lead prosecutor to contact Attorney General Mukasey requesting Connell be designated a protected witness. According to Ohio election attorney Arnebeck, Karl Rove threatened Connell, saying he must take the rap or his wife would be jailed on lobbying fraud.

With all this evidence, Scott, and without suggesting Connell was whacked - where should we go from here? Forget everything or keep investigating Ohio '04?

Wouldn't right wingers want Rove and Bush exonerated by a thorough search through all existing records and witness accounts? 

by Gustav Wynn (77 articles, 65 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 421 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:03:27 PM

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There's this thing called evidence, which reasonable people will consult before deciding what's a crackpot theory and what isn't. And there are crackpots, and crackpot conspiracy theories, on both the right and left.

And there are those——and there are all too many of them——who never bother looking at whatever evidence might upset their world-view, because they'd rather go on living in complacent ignorance than run the risk of seeing where we really are.  

by Mark Crispin Miller (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:07:57 PM

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You call that evidence of something? Taking the untimely deaths of a handful of people who might be sorta kinda connected to the person that you want to slime, and sculpting that into a conpsiracy plot that would even make "24" believable by comparison? This is the equivalent of the dead-bodies-in-Arkansas stories.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 744 comments [30 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:12:15 PM

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Wow Scott I would think as a mail carrier you would not be so naive as to think political based assassinations have not been occurring for thousands of years.

In those thousands of years the acts and the motives have not changed, only the methods. Murder disguised as a suicide has been utilized for almost as long man has existed. There is nothing “24ish” about offing witnesses and potential thorns to a regime. That has also been around since the dawn of time. You need to get out more. If someone had the proof, it of course would no longer be a conspiracy or in scientific terms a “hypothesis”. You start off with a conspiracy and /or a hypothesis and then you collect the proof.

In fact the methods of political-based assassinations have every reason to have become more sophisticated and more difficult to trace and prove.

Besides the standard Mafia type killings of sabotaging a plane or running a car off the road or disguising a murder as robbery, there are all kinds of very cool “24-like” military technologies that could be used for very nefarious purposes.

Take the Predator drone, which can be undetectable to radar and can be very easily flown into an explode a small plane. This would of course create additional unexplained wreckage so it would probably not be the first choice. But if flown to distract a pilot it could easily cause pilot error resulting in a crash. Alternatively it could fire one of its many different versatile weapons systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator

How about these seemingly futuristic weapons. I am sure a creative mind could come up with all kinds of uses for them.

The “Active Denial System”

US military has finally publicly unveiled its heat-ray gun. The heat-ray gun uses a large dish mounted on a Humvee vehicle. The US military has given the first public display of what it says is a revolutionary heat-ray weapon to repel enemies or disperse hostile crowds.

Called the Active Denial System, it projects an invisible high energy beam that produces a sudden burning feeling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

And there are many many more weapon systems in development that you would crap your pants if you knew what their full capabilities were.

Here's one that again could easily take down a small plane.

Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) is a weaponized deuterium fluoride laser developed in a joint research project of Israel and the U.S. It is designed to shoot down aircraft and missiles. See also National missile defense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

And this is what I could come up with in just 30 minutes of research. Imagine what you and all your mail carrier buddies could come up with in an entire day of brain-storming.

by E. Nelson (40 articles, 8 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 511 comments [57 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:45:52 PM

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I used to work with an ex Marine sniper, who loved his job. 

When Paul Wellstone died, I speculated on exotic ways they could have sabotaged his plane.  My co-worker pooh-poohed my theories.  He said that it was very easy to sabotage a plane without explosives or anything.  I am sorry that I can't remember what it was, but it was messing with some equipment, as I recall. 

by wagelaborer (6 articles, 1 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 307 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:41:24 PM

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After the FBI handed Bush 432,000 'investigative' pages, the Congressional Democrats hid under their desks. They didn't know Bush aides had read only 13,000 pages.

I think Obama should publish these 'secret' documents indexed on CD's available free at Public libraries.

by Jason Paz (68 articles, 88 quicklinks, 111 diaries, 1384 comments [97 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:40:47 AM

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Are you sure you want to look down this hole?

OK, but why should a sophisticated progressive like yourself be content to side with the nominally "liberal" sociopathic globalist elite against the nominally "conservative" one?

You write as though you never heard of Jackson Stephens.

http://helpeachother.us/images/ACFC495.jpg

You must know that Clinton is terminally compromised by H.W. Bush's Iran/Contra Mena operations, not to mention the OKC cover-up. And one need not be a "right winger" to say so.

Why is Clinton not interested in prosecution of the exhaustively documented Bush/Cheney war crimes? Why does he respond with melodramatic outrage ("How dare you!") when a concerned citizen insists there is evidence that 9/11 is not what we were told?

C. Wright Mills was very clear about this 50 years ago. You know as well as I do the red/blue corporate paradigm is false. Elites protect their own--with brutality if necessary--especially when the trail leads to themselves.

If you really want to investigate political murders, why not start by demanding the truth about JFK? And his brother? And his son? Why can't we know?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/head-shot/

Then, once your "tin foil hat" is firmly in place, why not demand the truth about the murders of 3,000 Americans on live TV?

While you are looking for Wellstone's "black box", maybe you will find this one.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/

by Michael Fury (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 88 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:43:58 AM

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...I would only urge caution in any assertions that the deaths were a Rovian plot. 

 I was 12 when Bill Clinton was elected, and my most formative years as an emerging wonk were shaded by lurid tales of Vince Foster, Mark Ritchie and Whitewater.  I watched as the "Class of '94" infiltrated the Capitol and proceeded to dismantle the nobility of the American Democratic experiment, as I was daily taught to see it.  The folly of youth to be sure, but the stark contrast between what I even then knew to be a vaunted ideal of who we are as a nation was one that left me shaken, and served to push me into the realm of grassroots organizing (Thank you Dr. Dean!).

 I am considered a "Cold-Y" Millennial; I have hated Ronald Reagan since I was 2-he interrupted an animated Disney Mother's Day special to yammer about nothing, still one of my earliest memories.  I remember watching the wall come down on the tiny B&W telly that sat on top of our refrigerator.  I remember eating cake on my 11th birthday when Bush I came on that little TV and announced the start of the first Gulf War, causing my father to load us into the car for a frenzied trip to the gas station. 

 My point is that I was blessed to grow up in a family that prized awareness, and in my case awareness manifested itself in being a 12 year old with subscriptions to Time, Newsweek and US News & World Report.  Though I was not, and have never been, a fan of many of the Clinton policy decisions, seeing the ceaseless grasping at straws undertaken by the Congressional powers left me with a bitter taste in my mouth, and cemented what was then a blossoming world view.

 At present, the demographic subset that would encompass my yourger siblings are captivated by the political climate.  Bear in mind that while my history lessons took place over the white noise of the "Gingrich Revolution," these kids have been taught the Constitution over the din and dirge of the most lawless, unbridled power set in this nation's history.  Whatever your feelings on Obama, he has captured (rightly or wrongly) the attentions and the hopes of the next generation of the American public at large.  They/we have known nothing but the Chicago School, laizzes fare, War on Drugs, ketchup-is-a-vegetable system of incompetence and have spent the entirety of our existence wading through the fallout.  We are massive in numbers, technologically astute, diverse, generally tolerant in nature and you have our attention.

 My fear lies in this: that the valid and pressing need to look into allegations such as mentioned in this article, if not exectued with the utmost degree of judiciousness and accusitory restraint, will become, consequentially, the mirror of the partisan witch hunts of the 1990's.  None can honestly argue that there have not been serious, treasonous violations of domestic and international law at every turn over the last eight years.  However, as I see it, the need to approach these violations must be tempered with the noble ideals of (d)emocracy that were previously absent.

 Please, this is my future.  After all who are now in power have long since left this temporal plane, my generation will still roam the Earth with the values presently stitched into their fabric.  If we can reclaim the archetype that has been lost, if we can demonstrate that the imprefections of our collective union are amendable, that the arc of history is indeed bent toward justice, then the past eight years will be what they have the potential to be...a lesson learned. 

by Chrissie B. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 13 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:41:32 AM

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Welcome to OpEdNews Chrissie. We look forward to your perspective and hopefully future articles from you.

by E. Nelson (40 articles, 8 quicklinks, 26 diaries, 511 comments [57 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:42:30 AM

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Very nice post on Reagan - he is the bridge between Nixon and Rove that best represents what's become of politics today - a dumbed-down narrative that puts a warm, familial face on everything while putting the country in deep hock to benefit the rich.

I remember being charmed by Reagan, feeling conflicted as the right side of my brain came to understand the Iran Contra crimes, but the October Surprise and aiding of radical extremists like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein makes me wonder why Reagan is held in such esteem today. The idea of legacy-building is in the news today as we realize Rove is working for Bush today on taxpayer time to create a positive narrative for W.

This idea was perfected by Reagan's post-mortem handlers who make him seem heroic for defeating communism and pushing for freemarket deregulation. The problem was that our defense spending under Reagan began to create a crushing deficit which will economically doom our own children. Methinks we would have been better off with Communism in Europe and Asia because we may literally run out of money to make bullets if we are attacked some day. The power and freedom given to freemarket capitalists has also proven to be a mistake as the largest financial institutions have all imploded due to their own greed and the removal of protective oversight. This post, however is about dirty tricks, namely the stealing of Ohio 2004. Reagan's team did negotiate with Iran to delay the release of American hostages to defeat Jimmy Carter in 1980, but that immoral, un-American act may still have been legal. Vote-flipping is another matter and we will see if the media and Congress can be convinced to act on this story despite it's world-changing, history-changing magnitude. Seriously, this story is huge.

So yes, we must proceed judiciously and stay focused on Rove, Blackwell and company. The last thing we need is to make this about whether Connell was murdered or not because it will be harder to prove then proving 2AM election tampering in 2004. Proceed with the RICO case full steam and make media cover it!

by Gustav Wynn (77 articles, 65 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 421 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:29:38 PM

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... for what I thought might have been a lost generation. One can only hope there are more of you out there.

Your insight into not having vague crimes becoming a focus of some sort of witch-hunt is correct. There are more serious crimes (although I don't know many more serious than political murder) to focus on that are a hell of a lot easier to prove. 9/11 would be my #1 pick.

If indeed what you say is true, that you are massive in numbers and astute, I wouldn't be so tolerant of what we're leaving you. My generation took tolerance so far as to become oblivious and allowed a criminal class to over-run all that we should have held dear.

I wish I had some measure of hope for the future that was a comfort, but what you'll be facing is most likely the worst decline in civilization since the dawn of time. Most everything you've grown-up with and take for granted will most likely be stripped from you and we'll be plunged into a new Dark-Ages that I doubt many of us will survive, certainly not us old-farts that have grown soft from a life of decades of things made easy.

We might have a chance to soften the decline if there are enough of you to do what must be done.

Over my many years I witnessed crimes done by authorities that have sucked the breath out of me. Before you were born Kent State was a defining moment, it placed in stark focus that powers-that-be make no distinction as to whom they would kill. Of course since then many more examples of aggreious crimes by our government have come to light, and now with the advent of the Internet even the laziest of intellects can be exposed to these crimes.

But still when I place them all together nothing compares to 9/11. For sure there are crimes that murdered many more, the genocide of our own Native American Indians comes to mind, but as far as one incident, 9/11 stands alone as the easiest to expose. And I sincerely feel that if we were to focus on this one crime that it would open the lid on many others and that if we held those responsible for 9/11 accountable all those other crimes would also be vindicated.

Anyway, your somewhat youthful insight is most welcome and has been missing from this forum, i will be looking forward to further comments.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:44:52 PM

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you can bet that it is karl's constant companion

by Levon (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 36 comments) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:21:08 AM

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So Mark Crispin Miller notices a pattern and is brave enough to point it out, knowing that the finger pointers will immediately scream "conspiracy theorist".

 Of course he can't prove that Karl Rove gave the orders to have all these people whacked.   That doesn't mean the pattern can't be noticed!

What amazes me is people who KNOW that the ruling class (and I include Clinton) will order the deaths of millions of people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yugoslavia, etc., etc., etc., and still BELIEVE that "they" would never kill Americans. 

 Read your history.  Americans died working in the mines, the mills, the factories and the railroads.   Americans were shot down by the military and private goons while trying to organize.  Americans are sent to war to kill and die.   Americans are poisoned by the air, the food and the water.  The only reason that "they" no longer kill with impunity is because American workers did organize and put a brake on it.  "They" are trying to change that also.

"They" will kill for money and power.  I believe that it follows that "they" will kill to coverup their crimes. 

by wagelaborer (6 articles, 1 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 307 comments [34 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:37:47 PM

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It's as if 1.2 million dead Iraqi civilians, tens of thousands of fallen and seriously injured U.S. soldiers, andk all the other vistims of openly advanced policies are not enough.  Well, then people should do as you say and look at the history of domestic killings in behalf of this or that set of oligarchs who felt threatened in some way and took violent action, simply because they could.  Excellent point.

by Michael Collins (130 articles, 20 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 484 comments [42 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:23:24 AM

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nuff said!

by Han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 226 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:35:37 PM

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by Munich (1 articles, 86 quicklinks, 14 diaries, 1125 comments [86 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:07:37 PM

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You missed a few: Gary Webb, journalist who uncovered the CIA smuggling drugs into LA.

J.H. Hatfield, Bush biographer who pointed out that Bush had been issued a wholly new driver's licence by the State of Texas.

and Margie Schoedinger who accused George W. Bush of raping her.

All suicides...

by Sean Fenley (7 articles, 41 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 264 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:05:04 AM

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On "shoedinger" and found this from OpEdNews.com  It's interesting suff and you were right to mention her name.  I heard about the accusation and then nothing.  Didn't know that she'd died.  Chilling. 

by Michael Collins (130 articles, 20 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 484 comments [42 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:25:42 AM

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