David, I certainly hope you are wrong but it is very troubling to say the least. My hope is, that it will be a landside for Obama and even "they" will not be able to steal this election.

by virginius "gin" arnold (18 articles, 7 quicklinks, 47 diaries, 516 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:03:26 AM

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I don't care who believes what regarding voter fraud and vote fraud, we have had these discussions for the better part of a decade.  The ONLY WAY we can stop having these arguments is to invest in some simple techniques that provide VERIFICATION.  One to demonstrate that voters are who they say they are, and two, a paper ballot that can be physically counted with a receipt given to the individual voter.

To obtain voter credentials, the citizen must present a photo, write a signature and give a thumbprint. The voter card includes a picture with a hologram covering it, a magnetic strip and a serial number to guard against tampering. To cast a ballot, voters must present the card and be certified by a thumbprint scanner. This way we know that everyone who votes has voted once, and that they are absolutely the person with the ability to vote.

Mexico, a third world country can afford it, and so has its citizens, the idea that Identifying voters is a racist practice is bogus, period.

Secondly, we need a paper ballot.  A ballot that is there and can be physically counted, by people.

Now, to the premise that  John McCain will have stolen the election if he wins...  Currently, if everything holds, Obama will have spent nearly $700,000,000 that is seven hundred MILLION dollars to be selected for a job that pays $250,000,  By comparison, McCain will have spent about 1/3rd that much...

We have seen regular people become the subject of media probes, the likes of which the candidates themselves have not been put through, for daring to ask a question, and making a particular candidate look foolish as he made his condescending reply..

At this stage of the game, we have, perhaps, the worst candidates in election history running, and God help us, ONE OF THEM WILL BE ELECTED our next president.

People want to talk about a stolen election?  The DNC and the RNC have conspired to steal our nation for the corporate interests that run our nation, and I read stories about how the election will be stolen if the candidate, who spent nearly 3/4ths of a "B"ILLION dollars does not win...

 Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 829 comments [52 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:28:03 AM

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"Shutting down DC" should have happened long ago in response to numerous acts of treason and crimes of state, so I suspect this is more "sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Obama has clearly been selected as a "safe pair of hands" for the Empire, serving also to coopt any real threat to the status quo (like Cynthia McKinney). Otherwise the corporate media would not be endorsing and protecting him so shamelessly. Meanwhile, when has the McCain campaign not seemed like a strawman self-parody, "set up to fail"?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/coke-or-pepsi/

by Michael Fury (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 88 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:53:32 AM

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Ron Paul was sidelined after setting an all-time fund raising record for the GOP I was angry. Ron Paul the only candidate that had a blimp actually won many of the state primaries. The time for protest was when the real candidates were not allowed into the debates. Threats of surrounding the whitehouse will not change anything. the Army is already deployed to check any resistance after the election. Your candidate will probably be sidelined just as mine was. There will be nothing to gain by going to D.C. and getting Your head busted open or getting tear gassed and trampled by horses. Just as it was with the bailout Your opinion is not wanted or needed by the establishment. It seems very silly to Me for anyone to get worked up about either one of the globalist presidential candidates.

by john riggs (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 463 comments [24 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:31:20 AM

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As some have already reiterated, we should have been there a long time ago.

Outside of a very, very small fraction of people that know what's going on most of the people in this country are so brainwashed by the psych-ops perpetrated upon them, that I will bet what little I have left they'll be no more than some token show of protest. And if there were to be anything big they'd mow us done with their new micro-wave crowd control weapons, or worse, and it won't be for the eyes of the world to see because it won't be televised, because besides the Dog & Pony Show we call our elections, they own the networks too.

But good luck with all that if it should come to it. But if it should come about and indeed I'm proven wrong (and I hope I am, not for just this, but for many of my pronouncements) I'll take a hit and stand with you, because I've been calling for a revolution long before this.

by Mr M (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 2845 comments [654 recommended, 27 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:53:22 AM

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If it looks like votes are again stolen I will absolutely go to DC and I will again try to mobilize people to fight the theft like we did in 2004. (Maybe even more people will be inspired to DO something this time around.)

Sadly, all indications are that we are in for a repeat of the last two presidential elections with e-voting machines flipping votes at early voting sites and hundreds of thousands of registrated voters being illegally purged.

We can't leave it solely to the candidate this time. In 2000 the Supreme Court chose the "winner." In 2004 the country let Ohio Republicans get away with open in-your-face theft. Never again.

by Kathlyn Stone (46 articles, 227 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 690 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:00:28 PM

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I am SO with you on this.  If our election is once again stolen, we simply CANNOT afford to sit back and let it happen yet again.  It's time for another revolution.  One of peace, yet one of passion.  We cannot stand by and watch our country and very possibly the entire planet be destroyed!

One guy talked about splitting heads and tear-gas here... I do not want to see violence.  We who love this country and the world are not by and large, violent people.  I do not think we need to resort to such tactics.  But we need to do something!

Is there an actual gathering planned (if the worst happens)?  I would like to try and be part of it, if I can.  I am disabled but would try to find a way to be there.  Let us spread the word, begin a peaceful yet passionate revolution!

by P. Alexandria (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 4 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:01:15 PM

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As always...  Prepared to do anything necessary to wrest this republic from the greedy palms of power.

 Our efforts in the past (and there were bunches) were never enough.

 If we're going to go, we have to stay. If we're staying, we need to be prepared.

Resistance is Required

Revolution is Mandated.

by FAITHCARR (22 articles, 4 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 81 comments [23 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:09:42 PM

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Your two strategies, fight or flight, (to Canada) are not helpful to millions

of concerned voters.....we need other options. Marshall Law will come,

and we'll be in detention camps built by KBR, subsidiary of Haliburton,

all over the USA. Please think again before you encourage irresponsible

action.

by Elizabeth Johnston (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 24 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:53:30 PM

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Elizabeth, in a lot of ways I agree with you but then again, that is exactly what happened in Germany in the 1930's. In other words, the law abiding citizens will "do as they are ordered" and those in power proceed with whatever evil they intend. If Dr. King had taken your advice, where would we be? There are times when perhaps we have to take a stand, and suffer the consequence. There is no doubt in my mind that the 2000 election was stolen, and are we, the people, willing to let it happen again. Freedom, to use the old expression, is "not free" and when those people threw the tea in Boston harbor, they stuck their necks far out. I mentioned the idea of going to Washington to a friend of mine today---he is about my age, mid-60's and he quickly said, "we'll load my motor home up and head out". Wonder how it would play if "they" arrested a bunch of seniors? Maybe in 2000 if we had storm the gates, the decision might be different. I know there would be some kids alive today, if Gore had been elected. What is that worth? I guess there are times you just cannot back down.

by virginius "gin" arnold (18 articles, 7 quicklinks, 47 diaries, 516 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:33:18 PM

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If you go, remember, there are now these crowd control big black boxes on a small trailer that make sounds that can actually kill you but are supposed to be set to hurt and dispurse crowds of people asserting their right to assemble.  It has been brought out and photographed at the RNC before this last RNC.  That time I know of for sure and probably lots since - just I have not been keeping track of it.  What one does to help avert its pain is put tin foil in your ears.  I like the idea of those tin foil hats the son had them use in Signs so ET could not read their minds, except give it flaps over your ears.  You could throw a sweat shirt with a hoodie over it to not look too nuts, or wear a knit cap with ear pads that tie under your chin, or a scarf.  Also, there is an antedote to being sprayed with mace but I do not have the name at hand.  A pocket full of wipes would help some I imagine and a tube of hydrocortisone.  The pacifist counter weapons sort of.  Also, don't take grannie or the prescoolers to this one as they have made plans to make it quite messy.  But, going to The Capital is what needs to be done if they steel this one too.  I expected uproar the last two thefts.  I protested locally after watching the mess play out on TV.  You know the game by now.  The Courts are rigged and the votes do not get counted.  The Republicans use methods that are meant to win now and when they get decided to be illegal in the courts later, well that would be just too mess to uncrown the king you know.  Baloney.  Uncrown the king this time. 

by spakitty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 20 comments) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:53:22 PM

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A few comments suggest how easily integrity could be brought to our voting system. Of course it could - if that was the goal. Tragically, the goal is to maintain power at any cost, and it is but a microsystem of our pathetic government and distracted culture.

I'll be on the road to DC that very night as well, David. What happens with this election and this presidency will set our course for some time to come.

We desparately need a new world view. World 5.0

by Jim Prues (15 articles, 33 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 81 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:15:02 PM

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I can tell you from first hand knowledge that this is already in motion as a back up plan for people living here in the Washington Metro area. I will be there in front of the White House with all of you.

"Gin" you are right, there are times we have to take a stand and it doesn't have to be violent, it can be peaceful. The point is that we get the message across that enough is enough.  

by Sharon Roach (15 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 184 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:52:21 PM

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Do you realize that Justice Souter thought about resigning from the High Court after Bush V Gore? Did you know that he was appointed by Bush 1 and yet was in tears (literally as reported in J Toobin's book The Nine? Robert Wexler wrote a piece on OEN yesterday to the fact that he saw election fraud. Did you know that 4 of the sitting judges was were appointed by the two Bush's? Please, you need to pay better attention and realize the seriousness of what we are speaking to.

by virginius "gin" arnold (18 articles, 7 quicklinks, 47 diaries, 516 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:45:51 AM

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but that does not make the evidence false. Most Court follwer's, like Toobin and Greenberg think that Bush v Gore is a "low water mark" in the modern history of the court. There are far more legal intellectuals that agree with that position, than do not. There is no doubt that minorities have for years been prevented from voting and the record is clear on Diebold and their connection to the Bush people. Democratic voter fraud is well known but that was not the issue with the Katherine Harris debacle. Once again I point to the remarks from Rep. Wexler.

by virginius "gin" arnold (18 articles, 7 quicklinks, 47 diaries, 516 comments [22 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:02:11 PM

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...you might want to research some of the writings of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. on the subject, and the mountain of evidence he has accumulated.

From reading between your lines it appears, from your defense of thievery we have studied for years now, that if anyone but a Republican 'wins' then you 'lose'. Has it ever occurred to you, based on the travesties of injustice over the past 8 years we have all seen, if a Republican 'wins' we (including yourself) all 'lose'?

Gin, I only live 90 miles from DC, and you can count on my presence. I was there at the Pentagon march over 35 years ago, detained twice & roughed up while peacefully demonstrating, BUT by constant pressure against the war machine saw that false flag illegal war end.  If this election is stolen the public outrage will be even greater now than then.

I believe another scenario will come into play, though:

1) Within the next two weeks Bush will claim a national emergency based on the financial 'crisis', invoke Presidential Directive # 51, and cancel the election altogether;

2) The election will proceed as planned, Obama will be elected (despite attempts to steal the election), but a national security 'crisis' will occur before the innauguration (small nuke detonated in a mid-western city far removed from the nexus of financial communications) causing NSPD 51 to be invoked, martial law, and mass arrests & detention of protestors in the 800 existing FEMA detention centers (read concentration camps) capable of incarcerating over 2 million 'enemy combatants' (Remember the line, "If you aren't for us, you are with the terrorists);

3) Obama will be killed before or after the election, and the ideal situation for the psychos would be Obama & Biden killed together;

4) Nothing...that's right nothing. Obama elected, sworn in, but nothing of real substance changes because the whole change 'thingy' has been a ruse all along. After all, he is a CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) member, and they have (s)elected every president since the early 1920's, haven't they? If he didn't have their stamp of approval he wouldn't have gotten this far.

Here is a very revealing 2 hour film that is a powerful indictment of the status quo, and how we got into the position we are in now. Part 3 deals with how we are being manipulated on Wall Street AGAIN:

“Zeitgeist: The Movie”-Final Cut Remastered

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

by Paul Magill Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments [46 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:11:38 PM

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David, I admire your long hard work and now your courage. Going prepared with earmuffs, etc is all very well, but have you reflected on the certainty of 'false flag crowd violence' aka agent provocateurs who will surely be deployed to throw stuff at police and thus 'justify' a seriously violent police reaction. I can't see Washington allowing people to camp there for a month in huge numbers as happened after the stolen Mexican election.

 But suppose it is just women and seniors over 70 in the front lines = within throwing distance? Then it would cost the system a lot more to be seen to be dispersing the people with violence. And maybe some troops/police would be liable to break ranks and not obey illegal orders to visit violence on peaceful citizens exercising their constitutional rights.

But how can women and the elders raise this sort of moral authority, keep the machos from regrouping and causing trouble somewhere else, which just happens to get the press attention ....?

 My guess (I live in Scotland!) is that it will maybe make most difference if resistance wasn't centralised in Washington, or at least not over-centralised there. Just as the election integrity movement is coming up with a whole series of actions 'ordinary people' can take to minimise the risk of election theft, so too there needs needs to be a whole series of kinds of follow-through action which people can take if election theft ocurs anyway (as is very likely, indeed is happening already), so that parents with kids and young people and and people in wheelchairs, etc don't feel further disempowered because they can't meet the 'truly radical goldstandard' David is at risk of propagating.

That means identifying a whole series of locations in every State, and every city/town/neighbourhood where people can manifest resistance, down to just  wearing a badge every day until the fix is overturned or by displaying a poster or burning a candle for democracy in their windows for as long as it takes. My sense is that though parks are good, often primary schools could be the venue where mothers and children and grandparents etc could make the greatest impact, just entering them with sleeping gear and food and refusing to leave until ....whatever ... e.g. the election is re-run on paper and without massive voter-disenfranchment.

 A modern day Secession of the Plebs - everything stops until the junta is forced to give way, normal life is suspended, but without being suckered into centralised set-piece 'confrontations which the Bush regime can successfully present to the troops/police and through the Media as 'dangerous anarchy'/terrorism,  etc.

Maybe the greatest likelihood of being able to raise an alternative principle of societal authority to the reigning institutional form - male brotherhoods/maledominated crowds/fraternites, etc - is the women-led mixed formula, with 'Real Men' kept out but such 'true son' allies as are vouched for and/or found trustworthy and useful be on occasion(s) blended judiciously into the mix of events planned by Mothes/Crones, provided they sign agreements concerning a) nonviolence, b) readiness to leave if asked by women-led or women-only organising committees, etc.

Keeeping control of the (ahem) 'Real men' (who aren't authentic) and only allowing the 'support'/participation of glad to be 'unreal' men such as e.g. elders of the tribe or males with disabilities/in wheelchairs or 'true sons' with kids on shoulders or males with flowers in hair dressed in soft cuddly pink stuff - all these could be relevent rules of thumb for women-led movements to integrate males into 'new motherland' events, thus to acheive further synergy of moral authority beyond the synergy which comes from manifesting diversity through spontaneous or strategically organised intergenerational, multi-ethnic, multi-party, multi-faith, gay-straight, etc etc deployments.

It is good people are thining ahead. I hope this helps stimulate further discussion - and remember guys - don't interrupt women, don't dominate the conversation, don't ignore what black people are saying (as has too often happened, e.g. Gore's strategy in Florida).

Obama himself may perhaps want to 'throw' this election like Gore and Kerry, but the people may not let him. They aren't his votes to concede/allow not to be counted.

by Keith Mothersson (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 74 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01:04 PM

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with an election as crucial as that one why not recount the whole damned state WITH PUBLIC SCRUTINY BY THE WHOLE NATION? But noooo, Republicans have no concept of the word 'compromise'. Their philosophy of,"My way or the highway" is no longer accepted by the majority of Americans, and it's time for THEM to hit the road for awhile...preferably off 'the bridge to nowhere'.

by Paul Magill Smith (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 135 comments [46 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:21:32 PM

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