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What Will it Look Like After the Dems Declare they Refuse to Further Fund the War

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Only 11% support them. Everyone sees through them. THis crap about we need 60 votes in order to do anything is just ludicrous. It's 41 (in the senate )to stop legislation.

Dave pointed out an article in Pat Buchanan's magazine, Easy Out which describes how quickly the troops could be withdrawn from Iraq. At a cost of a billion every few days, we don't have to bring back every refrigerator and soda vending machine. We just have to get the troops out.

Dave raised the idea that it really just takes the leader of the house or senate to keep a bill from coming to the floor. One person could stop the war. I decided to go over this with Kucinich.

I began by asking Kucinich the basic question-- what would it look like if the congress refused to fund the war. The first thing he did was ask me what was basing the question on. "A hope and a prayer," I replied, laughing.



Kucinich described how the defunding would work.

This is the way the war can end. The leadership of the house goes to the president and tells the president, "we're not going to provide the funds for the war anymore." That he has to use the money he has in the defense budget to bring the troops and the equipment home. That would cost about $5-10 billion and the money is there to do that now.

Concurrent with that has to be the creation of an internation security and peacekeeping force that would move in as our troops leave. That's what would have to happen. That's the plan that I'm promoting.


Kucinich believes there are several dozen members of congress who generally agree with what he's saying.

Unfortunately, the leadership would have to WANT to end the war. Kucinich says,
But the leadership has made it very clear that they are not going to cut off funds.
They made it clear that they are not going to tell the president that they are not going to fund it. They are going to keep funding it and keep funding it under the notion that notion-- under the fatal notion that this is the way to support the troops.


I mentioned Kucinich's estimate of several dozen supporters to David Swanson and he told me about a letter on his afterdowningstreet.com site, which he describes here;
90 Congress Members have signed a letter saying they won't fund the occupation except in a bill that ends it and funds withdrawal. The wording of the letter is weak in various ways, and most of the signers have already gone back on their word with the excuse that a Continuing Resolution doesn't count as a bill. But this is the best tool we have right now for pushing Pelosi to not fund the occupation. If that 90 were 120 I'd feel a lot better about the chances of a great many Iraqis staying alive through the next 5 years: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/peacepledge



I asked congressman Kucinich, "Usually, in congress you work to put together a bill and pass it. Is there a mechanism, is there a way for you and those couple dozen to organize against further legislation? It's not like you go into committee."


Kucinich replied, "What has to be done has to be done by the leaders. The leaders have to go to the president and tell him, "We're not going to give any more money." It's the leadership that schedules the bill."


I honed in, "The fact is, if Nancy Pelosi or Harry decided not to let the motion come to the floor, either one of them, all by themselves, could stop this dead in its tracks, couldn't they?

Kucinich replied, "The leadership of either the house of the senate, if either leadership determined, we're not going to let a bill come to the floor of the house or senate, the war would be stopped. They'd have to, essentially, force the president's hand on the war.

"That's what they have to do. They have to take a stand and they haven't done that yet. It's exactly what they have to do."


Here's a transcript of the rest of the interview. It goes into even more detail on how the defunding must happen and what it will look like afterward. I love his final comment. It's one the Dems should heed well.

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What about Iraq and the world? by Joe Zingher on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 8:55:03 AM
Nonsense by Rick Fisk on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 8:59:17 AM
Pure nonsense by Babyhuey on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:13:01 PM
ahhh another first time right wing commenter by Rob Kall on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 2:34:05 PM
Rob, you're missing the point by Rick Fisk on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 8:58:08 AM
Your article should've been titled "Why the Dems Won't Refus by Richard Mynick on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:03:41 AM
How much is enough? by ardee D. on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:20:50 AM
Bye, bye, Nancy? by Kyle Johnson on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:57:18 AM
Let's Not Overlook Bill Richardson; he is showing Leadership by Stephen Cassidy on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 11:05:55 AM
great, well organized, thoughtful analysis by John Howes on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 11:27:36 AM
I've given up on the Democrats by Babyhuey on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:06:29 PM
Wishful thinking? by Ben Marble, M.D. on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:17:23 PM
this is not even funny by Pat Smith on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:25:44 PM
You're confusing two very different things. by Richard Mynick on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:54:24 PM
This is sick... by Tony Forest on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 1:01:30 PM
Know a bit about child abuse, pattiepace7? by Rob Kall on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 2:42:55 PM
Pattipace by Bob Gormley on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 3:05:16 PM
Just for emphasis by ardee D. on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 5:42:47 PM
The anger management problem of the corporate profit machine by Darin Walker on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 1:10:37 PM
Well said ... by Mr M on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 1:20:35 PM
Having it both ways by Mr M on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 1:13:59 PM
you should turn this into an article by Rob Kall on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 2:46:11 PM
They can pull funding to the troops..... by Joe Rathbun on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 3:13:23 PM
Mr M called it by truthtruffle on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 3:13:57 PM
ITS ALL THE CONTROL OF THE CFR,TC GLOBALIST by RICHARD SHADE on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 3:36:40 PM
Continue article by Darin Walker on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 5:39:49 PM
"Do"? by Roger on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:12:38 PM
Why NOT Kucinich? by treehugger on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:31:52 PM
Why not Kucinich? by ardee D. on Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 9:00:48 AM
The war is over when... by Michael Collins on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:43:19 PM
By the way..."the Dems" are complicit in the war, up to by Michael Collins on Sunday, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:45:36 PM
You will lose everything. by David C Beach on Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 1:15:39 AM
Far worse than the fanatic Islam by Tony Forest on Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 2:50:11 PM
Do you by ardee D. on Thursday, Nov 1, 2007 at 9:01:11 AM
It's too easy to be biased by Andris on Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 2:36:52 AM
What Will it Look Like After the Dems Declare they Refuse to by Eddy Schmid on Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 4:05:19 AM
No false hopes by Rob Kall on Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 11:21:51 AM

 
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