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March 24, 2007 at 00:01:47

Detente or Appeasement?e

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The regime in Tehran is not prone to moderate least of all because it is weak and internally fragile. The regime cannot concede on what matters most to the rest of the world; i.e. stop its support of sectarianism and terrorism in Iraq, Lebanon, the Gulf States, and Palestine; desist from pursuing an 18 year clandestine nuclear weapons program; and stop the gross and systematic violation of human rights in its own country. The reason is very simply that it was founded on the export of revolution (read Islamic fundamentalism) as a balance to its domestic problems and deep unpopularity. A close study of the modus operandi of the Iranian domestic and foreign policy, its state structure and internal conflicts, its close knit relationship to radical and regressive Islamist forces in the region, will reveal that the regime lacks a capacity for real change and thus for moderation and the sort of détente that Takeyh proposes.

Détente is based on the interaction of two rational state parties with a mutual interest in deescalating an existing state of animosity and conflict. The Iranian regime thrives on such animosity and will melt in its absence. So either the US must succumb to our Iran pundits unfounded policy suggestions and unilaterally deescalate by giving much and receiving little in substance, or pressure must be maintained and mounted on the regime to a point where the process of internal regime change will yield an Iran that is a responsible state actor and member of the international community of nations.

Indeed, a historical convergence of interests might be occurring to the benefit of the Iranian people’s long struggle for liberty and democracy in their homeland, for world security and peace, for regional stability and progress, and for the uprooting of the terrorist and Islamic fundamentalist scourge.

The US Administration and indeed the EU would be well advised to steer clear of snake oil salesmen and to pursue a determined policy of isolating the Iranian regime and supporting dissident opposition movements for democratic change in Iran. A key step would be to delist the main Iranian opposition movement of the PMOI (MEK) and the NCRI who were put on the list initially during the Clinton Administration as part of the ill-conceived appeasement of then Iranian president Khatami.

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A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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How many of those do we have?

All those ' near east', ' Middle East', ' upper west' and ' clear south' Institutes with all those  people  on the retainer who joggle the words all the time and push us all to war. Iran may be anything but it if it is a major power in the region now it happened because the US had invaded Iraq. Moreover,   it has been proven by Justin Raimondo and others on www.antiwar.com that the US govt in sorts worked for the Iranian interests. Now we have  here another talking head who  would do anything to push  our people to go to war or at least to total confrontation, so that the real enemies of  our  country rejoice.

How sad, really. 

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3362 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 9:08:24 AM
 


Jubin Afshar, is Director of the Near East Project at Near East Policy Research in Washington, D.C. http://www.neareastpolicy.com/
Jubin AfsharJubin Afshar, is Director of the Near East Project at Near East Policy Research in Washington, D.C. http://www.neareastpolicy.com/

War can be avoided by a firm policy against the mullahs

Well actually the point is that appeasing the regime will drive us to war and standing firm against such a brutal and reactionary regime will avoid war. I think you are perhaps confusing your argument with the US Administration with the Iranian people's struggle for their own freedom. I don't think its particularly helpful to view everthing from that angle. You should understand that the Iranian regime is an illegitimate regime that is not supported by Iranians, suppresses women, workers, students and does not tolerate freedom of speech, association, press and has been condemned 52 times by the UN for gross violations of human rights. There were 4800 strikes and protest actions in Iran last year that were suppressed by the regime. I suggest instead of protecting such a regime you should support the democratic opposition to it. I agree that the US intervention in Iraq was wrong and actually aided the regime in Iran but the way to fix that cannot be to appease the mullahs but to correctly oppose them, oppose another foreign war, but at the same time support the opposition to such a brutal regime.

I hope you can see the struggle for freedom and progress in Iran from another angle other than your beef with the Bush Administration.

by Jubin Afshar (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 12:08:10 PM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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My 'beef' with the current US administration

 is due to the cconsequences- about several million people so far since we had sanctions on Iraq. Our administraation has no right to do anything- it has to go. After it goes I would  even encourage an honest  assessment of the foreign policy towards Iran and one of the measures- to give a refugee status to the refugees from Iran. But it is only after we clean our own mess.  Only after that.

Any  raising of  Iraninan topic now  only harms  all of us because criminals in power use it. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. 

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3362 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 1:41:25 PM
 


A 'senior' world citizen concerned about how badly our shared domicile is being ravaged by imperialists, dominionists, neo-cons and evangelists.
syed mahdiA 'senior' world citizen concerned about how badly our shared domicile is being ravaged by imperialists, dominionists, neo-cons and evangelists.

Comments on Detente or Appeasement

Reading through Mr.Afshin's article I almost forgot it was a repeat of various articles written by the likes of Ahmed Chalabi, Richard Perle, Daniel Pipes & Reilly in the months preceding the Invasion of Iraq. Does he realise the dire consequences which would follow if the Bushies go by what he is recommending. Does he care for human lives, Iranian and American? Does he have any shame, being an Iranian himself? Oops, I forgot that the likes of Chalabi, Iyad Allawi and Quislings don't care about anyone except themselves. Thse last always end up losing everything because the likes of Chengis Khan & Bush don't care about anyone except themselves.

by syed mahdi (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 123 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 1:23:03 PM
 


Professor, California State University, FullertonAfter marriage to an Iranian lady in Tehran, Iran in 1968, I returned to Tehran in the summer of 1970 to work at the American Embassy. After earning an MBA from Harvard Business School, I remained at Harvard University for another year to study the Persian (Farsi) language. In the early 1970's, Singer Sewing Machine Company sent me on assignments in the Middle East and North Africa, including assignments in Tehran, Iran.From 1994 to 1996, I ...

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Paul Sheldon FooteProfessor, California State University, FullertonAfter marriage to an Iranian lady in Tehran, Iran in 1968, I returned to Tehran in the summer of 1970 to work at the American Embassy. After earning an MBA from Harvard Business School, I remained at Harvard University for another year to study the Persian (Farsi) language. In the early 1970's, Singer Sewing Machine Company sent me on assignments in the Middle East and North Africa, including assignments in Tehran, Iran.From 1994 to 1996, I ...

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Can the Rajavi Cult Dupe Progressives?

Everyone should look at the content of the author's Web site.  The author's solution for Iran is the totalitarian takeover of Iran by the MEK (Rajavi Cult or Pol Pot of Iran).  The MEK has murdered American military officers and Rockwell International employees.  The MEK has committed terrorist acts, even in New York City.  The State Departments of Presidents Bill Clinton and of George W. Bush have placed the MEK on terrorist lists for good reasons.

At the end of the Iran-Iraq War, Massoud Rajavi waved to 2,000 MEK fighters from the safety of Iraq while they invaded Iran.  Rajavi told them they would not need to fire a single shot because one million Iranians would march with them to Tehran.

In 1991, the MEK committed terrible atrocities against unarmed Kurdish civilians--including running over them with tanks or with armored personnel carriers.

In April 2003, the American and coalition forces attacked the MEK at Camp Ashraf, Iraq.  Does the author dare to reveal where Massoud Rajavi is today?  Is the American military holding Massoud Rajavi as a prisoner at a camp in Iraq or protecting him until the American military invades Iran?

This is the same group of crazies who burned themselves in front of television cameras in June 2003. 

While the American government has closed the office of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) in Washington, DC, the American has not closed the operations of other supporters of America's terrorist enemies.

Many of the neo-conservatives (neo-Trotskyites) have been strong supporters of the Rajavi Cult.  See, for example, the Web site of the Iran Policy Committee.  While the Iran Policy Committee does disclose that one of its employees is a former employee of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the IPC does not disclose its funding sources.

With the help of the neo-conservatives (neo-Trotskyites), this totalitarian terrorist organization has been able to dupe many in the Democratic and Republican parties. 

Can the Rajavi Cult dupe progressives?

Professor Paul Sheldon Foote

 

by Paul Sheldon Foote (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 40 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 4:44:15 PM
 


Rosa Schmidt is an American married to an Iranian, hence the second last name, Azadi.  She's a long-time peace activist with a background in anthropology, education, and public health.  She's also one of the people who walked away from the falling Twin Towers on 9/11 and returned to help with the recovery effort.  Out of this experience of destruction, death, and horror came a deeper commitment to human life everywhere and specifically to non-violence.  Retired and sp...

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Rosa Schmidt AzadiRosa Schmidt is an American married to an Iranian, hence the second last name, Azadi.  She's a long-time peace activist with a background in anthropology, education, and public health.  She's also one of the people who walked away from the falling Twin Towers on 9/11 and returned to help with the recovery effort.  Out of this experience of destruction, death, and horror came a deeper commitment to human life everywhere and specifically to non-violence.  Retired and sp...

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It's not Americans' place to choose sides in Iran

That's fine if exiles like I imagine Mr. Afshar to be want to imagine the MEK  will save Iran. I've been living in Iran for a while now and so far I haven't met anybody that likes the MEK.  But whatever.  He can even picture the brutal mullahs beating us all on a daily basis if that gives him a reason to live.  Not that there weren't plenty of beatings, and executions, after the Revolution. Not that many people aren't afraid. Not that the struggle for democracy has been won.

But why is Afshar writing this on OpEdNews? It's not the place of Americans to get involved in the internal affairs of Iran, and Americans wouldn't be able to make truly informed judgements, anyway. Clinton was right to refuse to fund or support an armed group of Iranian exiles operating out of Iraq to overthrow the Iranian government.

We Americans do not want our government to get involved in regime change, by war, by coup d'etat, by arming exile groups that commit acts of sabotage/terror/whatever across another nation's boundaries. There's been quite enough of that. Peaceful methods to demonstrate and encourage democracy exist.

The word "appeasement" is currently being used in the propaganda campaign to paint Iran as a latter day Nazi Germany that must be immediately attacked for the sake of humanity. To Afshar's credit, he doesn't seem to wish people (his relatives?) in Iran to be nuked. But going on and on about the terrible threat Iran poses to the world is one sure way to increase the chances that that is going to happen.

by Rosa Schmidt Azadi (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 50 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 5:02:11 PM
 


Jubin Afshar, is Director of the Near East Project at Near East Policy Research in Washington, D.C. http://www.neareastpolicy.com/
Jubin AfsharJubin Afshar, is Director of the Near East Project at Near East Policy Research in Washington, D.C. http://www.neareastpolicy.com/

Iranians are entitled to their struggle for freedom too

Mark, your beef with the US Administartion is your beef and while you are entitled to that, it is not Iranians beef. Iranians are also entitled to voice their grievances against a regime that has committed wholesale murder for 28 years without being called road pavers to hell. It just is not right. I think that anyone can adopt a correct postion in condemnation of the Iranian regime's brutality towards its own people without having to support a war agenda.

salamahali, chalabi was a crook and an Iranian regime agent. He duped the US hawks to launch the war on Iraq. The war in Iraq was fully supported by the Iranian regime and it covertly put its SCIRI and INC agents to work in order to feed "WMD" intelligence to the US to push for a war. Its not reasonable to rush to compare and discredit without looking at the facts first. It would tend to show intolerance and ignorance which I trust is not what you intend.

Rosa, I write here because the Iranian issue is a global one now. The West has wrongfully tied the hands of the Iranian opposition and the US government has participated in this. I think its for the American people to know that and to understand how a series of foreign policy decisions and actions of the US government (particularly during the Clinton years) has worked to empower the most extremist elements in Iran and to actually assist that regime in its designs to establish a regressive and backward totalitarian Islamic empire that is about regressive, reactionary ideas that I am sure you know about. You perhaps also know that tens of thousands of MEK sympathizers have been killed by the regime without any due process, any trial, and in the most inhuman manner. So its obvious that you won't find anyone telling you that they support the MEK, particularly since you do not really oppose that regime and talking about "dangerous" issues with you wouldn't sound wise. What is important is that Iranians oppose the regime. See the recent student demonstration against Ahmadinejad, the teachers protest, the women's demonstrations, the transit workers strikes, and the continuing oppostion to the regime's rule and its policies. I oppose a foreign war in Iran, and that is why I oppose any appeasement of this regime that has for your information waged a war against its own people for 28 years now. I believe that firmness against this regime, after over two decades of putting business and oil interests ahead of human rights values, and support for the democratic opposition in Iran, is the only way to avoid war.

by Jubin Afshar (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 6:35:41 PM
 


A writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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Just for the sake of the argument

Do true Iranian opposition forces in Iran want the current US administration to invade Iran? Or do they as you say, know about the cahoots between the current regime and the US admin. and as such feel as between the rock and the hard place?

And it is not true that Iranian people have no reason to have any 'beef'. with our adimin. They better be very afraid. They have to understand ( and it looks that you do understand) that the current admin here does not give a damn about Human rights or anything like that. Iraq proved it. So, as I said, the proper way for everyone who fights for human rights is to work on getting rid of our administration and installing a proper one which will, hopefully redefine a foreign policy of this country. I sympathise, I think, that Iranian regime, a theocracy, is not in the interests of the people there, but Iran cannot be a source of WWIII. We can. So, bottomline, your intentions are understandable but the timing and especially the power here is not the ones to address. Tough luck. I cannot say that I do not understand the concern here. But you do not want to have a devil here to help you to defeat a devil there. Help us to restore the forces of good here and you will be in good company.

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3362 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 6:56:36 PM
 


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Jubin AfsharJubin Afshar, is Director of the Near East Project at Near East Policy Research in Washington, D.C. http://www.neareastpolicy.com/

Litmus test

Of course Iranians do not want any foreign invasion or interference. But appeasement and doing business with the mullahs and at the same time blacklisting their opposition and hampering their democratic activities of free speech and association is plain wrong and actually interference in Iranian affairs. The only true litmus test of Western expressions of concern about Iran is how they treat the Iranian opposition which embodies the fight for democracy and human rights in that country and has shown its grass roots support among Iranians at home and abroad many times. All they ask is that the US and EU take a neutral stand and at least do not side with the regime in hampering their rights and their struggle against the regime. You are entitled to your quarrel with the the government but at least you can quarrel without having your family taken hostage, your honor dragged in mud, you being arrested, tortured, and executed at the whim of a religious judge. That is the harsh reality of Iran for those who dare to speak against this regime.

by Jubin Afshar (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Saturday, March 24, 2007 at 8:15:29 PM
 


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Author lost me from the Get go

Whenever I see an author address a contemporary situation with an appeal to emotion by using the word "Appeasement" I know that we as readers are being had. I wrote as much with the following article--> http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_061013_appeasement___republ.htm

We might as well call shoving someone in the hallway "murder" and winking at someone "rape".

Anyone who insists that diplomacy should categorically not be engaged in with a nation-state should not be taken seriously. We have all seen where that road leads.

 

by Steven Leser (194 articles, 39 quicklinks, 32 diaries, 1302 comments) on Monday, March 26, 2007 at 7:30:51 AM
 


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Appeasement or Selling out?

 So many comments in this page gave me the idea that this regime has been quite successful in masking its true nature. This is exactly what’s wrong, and this is the reason for the most dangerous political pragmatism in dealing with this regime. No one is in favor of Imperialist invasions, but then again no ones is in favor of blood thirsty religious dictatorships, masking their true nature, fooling the world over, and getting away with that , while dangerously venturing in the Bomb. Of course while the “progressive left” is unknowingly defending the major slogan of this regime “the right for nuclear energy” – read nuclear bomb. Appeasment is actually a soft ward to be used for the political scandal ongoing in World politics to this regime.  “Selling out, bowing to pressure, or even giving in to bribery “is more likely to reflect the truth.

For 16 years, the EU banked on the premise of dealing with a moderating faction within the Iranian regime. It began with Ayatollah Khomeini’s death in 1989 and the presidency of Ali-Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who was dubbed as “pragmatic”. Then, in 1997, Europe saw a new hope – the election of Mohammed Khatami, a so-called “moderate” as president. The Europeans geared up their rapprochement with Tehran for eight more years, during which they failed to censure Iran’s oppressive record on torture, execution and brutality, and instead commenced “human rights dialogue” with the executioners, expanded trade and allowed Tehran to push forward at full speed on its goal to obtain nuclear weapons. European complicity, acquiescence and its recurring habit of turning a blind eye continued apace.

On top of it all, the EU designated the PMOI as a terrorist organization. Senior European diplomats, including the UK’s former foreign secretary Jack Straw, have acknowledged that the PMOI figured prominently as a bargaining chip in a bridge-building effort with Tehran.

The “moderate” fantasy completely ran aground last year when the regime’s supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, engineered the “election” of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a diehard Revolutionary Guard commander as president, shattering all dreams (and dreams are all they were) about reform or moderation. Sixteen years of Western concessions and negotiations with the regime gave it the opportunity to put in power the most extremist factions.

Now Tehran’s mullahs are snubbing their noses at the EU by rejecting all UN resolutions, in their drive to obtain nuclear weapons. They continue to fuel the insurgency in Iraq with money, men and weapons. They finance Hamas in Palestine and were the paymasters behind Hezbollah’s recent war against Israel in Lebanon. On top of it all, Tehran repeatedly calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Soon they will have the means to carry out this threat.

Now please tell me in the following metaphor; how can a dangerous arsonist be stopped? Would a few incentives or bottles of petrol help the situation to put out the fire??

 

by summer (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 7 comments) on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 at 3:02:56 PM
 

 

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