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April 22, 2008 at 10:56:31
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Abstract. During a “Freedom Rally” in recognition of Ron Paul, (R-TX) and in opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth explained why the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement should be more closely linked, since exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars. While a clip of a part of his presentation has been posted on YouTube, here is a summation (with corrections) of his remarks in Washington, D.C., 15 April 2008. When it comes to 9/11, however, Ron Paul himself, alas!, doesn’t have a clue. 
We cannot support the troops by “staying the course” when the Commander-in-Chief is marching them over a cliff.
—Jim Fetzer (15 April 2008)
I speak in praise of Ron Paul, who believes in the Constitution and in ending these illegal and immoral wars, which the Bush administration obviously does not.
There is a crucial link between the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement, because exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars.
We are told not to discuss conspiracy theories, but if 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four planes, outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, and perpetrated these atrocities under the control of a guy off in a cave in Afghanistan, then 9/11 involved a conspiracy.
If we can’t talk about conspiracies, we can’t talk about 9/11. Why would this administration want to suppress public discussion of 9/11? To conceal the truth about the war or to conceal the truth about 9/11?
Lies about the War
We were told big lies about the war, including, first, that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. But during a press conference, Bush himself had to admit that Saddam had “nothing” to do with 9/11.
We were told, second, that Saddam was in cahoots with al Qaeda. But several investigations have revealed that not only was Saddam not in cahoots with al Qaeda, but he was actively tracking down its leaders to incarcerate or even kill them.
Moreover, honest generals have told us al Qaeda is not responsible for more than 10% of the opposition to US presence in Iraq and that our presence there is the greatest recruiting tool al Qaeda possesses.
In fact, an admiral—who may face imminent demotion—was quoted in The New York Times (11 April 2008) observing that no more than 40-50 foreign fighters were entering the country each month. How great a threat can that represent?
Political hacks tell us differently. Compare what General William Odom, who is retired, has said, with the words of General David Petraeus, who is not.
Third, we were told that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. But our FBI—our own FBI!—has acknowledged that it has “no hard evidence” connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of 9/11.
You thought there was “a confession tape”? But in his first video, which is the only one that appears to be authentic, Osama said that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that the killing of innocent women and children is contrary to the tenets of Islam.
He said that he opposed the presence of US forces in Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina—the two most holy sites in Islam—and our one-sided stance regarding the Israeli-Palestinian issue.
The so-called “confession tape” involves a different “Osama” who does not look the same and has a different voice. It is the product of an intelligence agency.
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Great article; And add in the Impeachment movement too!
You are correct that the Anti-War and 9/11 Truth movements should join forces. I would add to that the Impeachment movement also, as I strongly believe that it is linked to 9/11.... And that the reason we are not getting any Impeachment action from Congress is that if hearings started, there is "too great a risk" of 9/11 Truth to be exposed. This is not what Congress wants: Because if the whole truth came out, it would be obvious that over 80% of Congress (even higher in the Senate) would be implicated as co-conspirators..... But silent inaction if by nothing else. They were bought-off and scared-off to forget about it.... Sen. Paul Wellstone was murdered because he refused to; which along with the anthrax letters cowed the others. So in order to get Impeachment, we must first raise public awareness and outrage over 9/11 being an inside job... Otherwise it will never happen, even after the criminals have "left office"... Leaving room for more of them to come in.. As shills, dupes, or whatever you call servants of unseen forces that have no concern for the Public or the country, only for themselves and their elite group. When this all finally breaks, we will need mass resignations in the House and Senate of most who were in office in Sept. 2001 (...Perhaps via a deal for them to escape Treason charges) and special elections for a new Congress. And, of course, no deals for the ones in charge or the prime players. A way to solve all this is to form a new Coalition Reform Third Party... this year. One with only a single platform plank and rally cry: "We must first make the nation safe to argue in, before continuing the argument!" This way, by putting aside all the distracting, polarizing issues; Americans from all over the political spectrum can come together to take back our country from the hidden control and corruption. Freeing the propaganda-slinging, wholly-controlled and suppressing media... And ending, or at least seriously curtailing, the power of corporate lobbyists. We can do this: All it will take is the will to. Please contact our political reform leaders and urge them to put aside personal ambitions and table the dividing issues for now... And coalese into a new third party, one we can all join, and one that could sweep all before it. There has never been a better time for a third party to succeed in our history... And never before has one been needed more! by Steve Windisch (jibbguy) (17 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 360 comments [54 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:53:26 AM  (0+)
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Reply: Hey, Hot Shot
Hey, Hot-Shot - GeorgeWashington's Blog at 911Blogger.com TheMemoryHole.org Senator Graham Admits Complete 9/11 Timeline - CooperativeResearch.org aka HistoryCommons.org AMERICANS SLAM NEWS MEDIA ON BELIEVABILITY by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1110 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:28:44 AM (0+)
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Open your eyes, time to wake up!
Enough is enough is enough is enough! We have the New York Times exposing "a quiet Pentagon campaign to infiltrate the media with pro-war propaganda. According to the newspaper, top officials recruited dozens of "military analysts" to spread favorable views of the war via major news media. Many of these pundits were working from Pentagon scripts while also lobbying for major military contractors looking to cash in on the war." These funny f*ckers played cartoons of planes crashing into the WTC, and Americans bought it. These treasonous bastards of Fox, Abc, Cnn, & Nbc are beyond reproach. When the American people realize that their enemy is who they let into their homes on the tv, the corporations profiting from these maniacal "wars" orchestrated by the highest Pentagon Brass, will wither and die. I recommend that we make a supreme jesture, and all dump our televisions on the Capital steps! Tell Congress: Investigate the Propaganda Pundits https://secure.freepress.net/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=257 We should give thanks for a man of wisdom, so scarce in these times, who is willing to represent scientific and philosophical truth. Jim, thanks for leading us through this mess so we can get to the whole rotten truth! I suggest anyone wishing to get to the real truth to watch the videos of the Madison 9/11 Conference, and tune in to Jim's not to be missed radio show on GCN @ 5 pm est: click here You are a national treasure, Jim! Blessings, Shallel by Sha Llel (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 90 comments) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:27:08 PM (0+)
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scientific facts can free the American people
Send a letter fax to congress urging a scientific investigation of the probable implosion of wtc 7 CLICK HERE http://www.freedomspeaks.com/letter/101038/wtc-7-not-mentioned-in-official-9-11-report "Please carefully consider that scientific facts once officially revealed to the nation can free the American people, their Congress, and their President, from the constant "fear and terror" (think Nazis SS playbook) generated by and since 9-11". by Gene Cappa (43 articles, 28 quicklinks, 113 diaries, 347 comments [33 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:25:01 PM (0+)
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Reply: Scientific facts
Petition Congress about 9-11 Truth? You're kidding, right? by Bill Cain (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 434 comments [67 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:11:46 PM (0+)
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I would say that many of those in 9/11 for truth ....
already stand in moral harmony with those in the peace movement. But there is one comment in here I have some trouble with: "There is a crucial link between the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement, because exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars." Exposing the truth, yes! But we already know those wars were unjustified without knowing exactly how involved out government was in the 9/11 attacks. We do know how uninvolved they were concerning those attacks. Some would compare it to being asleep at the wheel. So what exactly is the truth we are planning to expose? Is it that we have to believe this administration did in fact perpetuate the attacks themselves on 9/11? If so, wouldn't this weaken the already well known facts about our entanglements abroad and how these actions have created so much turmoil and unrest to virtually millions of people across the face of this planet? One could and no doubt would argue that a self attack would cheapen(unjustify) the idea that other nations had reasons to perpetuate such an attack on us and that our nefarious actions around the world for the past century that has created so much unrest and violence might be rendered mute and swept under the table. There is no doubt in my mind this administration has been covering up if not outright lying about the facts concerning the 9/11 attacks. Hell they lie to the fishes. But I believe my comments are relevant and we must never forget that American imperialism and unfettered capitalism around the world is the main cause of hatred toward us and that hatred is very real and in most cases well deserved. This of course points to my own beliefs which include this administration as knowing about these coming attacks long beforehand, using it as a ploy as depicted in the PNAC playbook concerning a new Pearl Harbor. It was the needed excuse the neocons had long been looking for to enact the use of military force unilaterally for a complete and permanent takeover of all the world's natural energy resources. More importantly, by increasing defense spending, reducing domestic spending and harboring a police state of unfettered capitalism. The idea being as an end to a means in a permanent American Empire around the world and a corporate fascist government here at home. Sheer insanity of course and we can all see where it's taking us. My hat goes off to anyone seeking the truth, regardless of what that truth may be. In fact I respect and admire several of the 9/11 truthers. Some I do not. But franky I stand by my own convictions in that as a nation, the American people must be made aware of and catch up to the already proven realities our actions abroad(and at home) have created before we can ever expect them to believe in what has thus far been unproven and may remain that way indefinitely. The bottom line is we have plenty of dirt already to try these guys for treason, remove them from office and make them stand in front of the International Warcrimes Tribunal. We have them on torture. We have them on illegal domestic spying. We have them on extraordinary rendition, we have them for lying us into an illegal war. We have them for ripping off our treasury for their corporate cronies, we have them for undermining civil liberties and ignoring international laws. We have them for politicizing the justice department in an attempt to form a one party state. We have them for outing a CIA agent and covering it up. The only thing we don't have is a congress with enough integrity or balls to hold up their foresworn oaths to protect and defend the constitution. by Michael Shaw (12 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 439 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:58:09 PM (0+)
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Reply: not blowback
Michael, hatred, perhaps, but no means of executing the operation...the way it occurred. It was not blowback. Also, imho, not entirely of US origin. Not entirely. Otherwise, spot on, what you've added. by Tony Forest (7 articles, 18 quicklinks, 166 diaries, 1429 comments [5 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:31:10 PM (0+)
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Reply: Well it might be blowback or it might not be blowback...
My point is we already have the proof to impeach and bring these guys to justice. What are we waiting for? Any other observations or discoveries at this point will be the icing on the cake. By all means investigate. Investigate the hell out of it! But let's not take our attention away from what we've already got either and let's not ever forget that American activity abroad is a major cause to much of the poverty, war, hate and social unrest for millions if not billions of people in this world(and at home). We need to take a good hard look at a lot of things, things that are now evident, things that have existed long before 9/11 and either way you might look at it, inside job or not, it is exactly what has led to 9/11. It was inevitable! The inbred corporate corruption and the buying of the politicians by the power elite for example. That's smacking us right in the face and has been doing so for some time now. Yes we can blame Bush and company. We might even nail a pentagon official or two. We might even end up hanging them but if we don't correct the real problems behind them.. IE the MIC, we can only expect more of the same forever. Sadly and short of a revolution, the truth is even if 9/11 can be proven as a major conspiracy, since the politicians are governed by both greed and fear, led on a leesh by the MIC, what makes anyone believe justice would be served anyway? If they won't do it now with what they've already got, how can we expect them to do it later? You would have to derail the MIC to do that. The entire military combined with the largest corporations in the world. It will never happen! That is why Bush is walking carefree now and will continue to do so into obscurity. by Michael Shaw (12 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 439 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:12:04 PM (0+)
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9/11 Truth, YES; Ron Paul, NO
I am totally committed to the 9/11 truth movement, but please do not be fooled by Ron Paul, self-professed champion of the Constitution - except for one very, very BIG problem: Ron Paul has not supported the nation's first time use of what the Constitution says we have a right to - an Article V convention. Learn the truth about the Article V convention option the Founders placed in the Constitution because they anticipated the eventual loss of trust and confidence of Americans in the federal government: go to www.foavc.org and open your mind. The 9/11 truth movement is so desperate for public support by big names that it too easily attaches itself so some very questionable people. We should be putting pressure on Obama, Clinton and McCain to support a new 9/11 investigation!!!!!!!!!!! by Joel S. Hirschhorn (141 articles, 50 quicklinks, 65 diaries, 546 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:05:49 PM (0+)
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Welcome Jim Fetzer
Jim Fetzer, You have honored the community of Truth-seekers by your visit and by this outstanding masterpiece of an article which ought to be learnt by heart by any concerned citizen and also be included in history textbooks of high school and college studends for the benefit of future generations. Your call for unity is admirable, but how to get around major obstacles? On the one side of the aisle you have AIPAC gatekeepers such as NOAM CHOMSKY, ROBERT FISK, DAVID BARSAMIAN, NORMAN SOLOMON, ROBERT SHEER, WILLIAM BOWLES, CHRIS FLOYD, JOSHUA HOLLAND, who in the cloak of intellectualism and through their publications and public appearances avert and divert and derail and sabotage any harsh criticism of this cancerous malignancy upon the body of the nation that is Zionism. On the other side you have those sincere peace activists who denounce Bush's lies except his version of 9/11 and continue singing the song of 19 Muslim Arab hijackers armed with boxcutters who hate our freedom nonsense. Our frustration with them makes me denounce them here : Justin Raimondo, Scott Ritter, John Nichols, Alexander Cockburn, Cindy Sheehan, just to name a few. Your accomplishments so far have been of gargantuan and Biblical proportions and we have no doubt that you will manage to overcome and remove these obstacles as before. Have you convinced Ron Paul that 9/11 was an inside job ? Let's hear about it. By the way be careful when walking around in OEN territory. This is a minefield infested with trolls of all kinds that we have to to ignore or to expel. But for a newcomer there are surprises that you will discover for yourself. by ramsheyi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 793 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:24:42 PM (0+)
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hey jim
we spoke on the phone a few years ago, and then i was at the 9/11 conference at the sheridan in l.a. with alex jones. i suggested a constitutional convention as a way to get our foot in the door, and you and jones and the old navy flier all denounced the idea. your fear is that the ptb would take over the convention. but you fail to think critically. if we coerce the call out of congress, the convention will have just as many people like yourself there too. and you will be heard, and the truth will come out. we are taught that the declaration of independence and the u.s. constitution are our two most important founding documents. but what we are not taught is that the former was actually written into the latter in the form of the convention clause of article v. it's there for a reason jim. it's time to put the constitution to work for us. by john de herrera (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 165 comments) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:33:34 PM (0+)
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Constitutional Convention
You all need to pressure Dennis Kucinich into making good on his proposed Constitutional Convention initiative. http://www.kucinichtv.com by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 888 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:42:22 PM (0+)
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Noam Chomsky and Cindy Sheehan
Noam Chomsky is not an AIPAC gatekeeper. Noam Chomsky is a critic of Israel. Cindy Sheehan knows 911 was in inside job and supports 911 truth. by Ty (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 888 comments [2 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:47:28 PM (0+)
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False claim
This claim is false. In addition, Saddam Hussein's regime also celebrated the attacks, although not necessarily by dancing in the streets. by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:03:15 PM (0+)
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Reply: Actually, it is authentic . . .
I believe that more than one archival tape may have been run, but here are some supporting reports: Palestinians Cheering (video) http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyC1pD3NLv4 Footage of Palestinian's Celebrating is Fake (video) http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuvscDkrs3U&feature=related by Jim Fetzer (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:43:43 AM (0+)
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Missing the point
First of all I'll never support Ron Paul. While I agree with his antiwar stance and his desire to end the central banking system it is only because he is a laissez-faire lunatic. He wants government out of corporations so they are free to rack up profits without intervention or overseeing. That will lead us right back to where we are now. There is no government intervention currently because corporations control our government under fascist corporatism. Besides that, I'm black and Ron Paul is no friend to black people from things he has said, even though he tried to back his way out of them. Secondly, the 9/11 coverup and official lie is all about making the bulk of white Americans comfortable. They know the government did something shady but most people still blindly cling to race loyalty. They know old white men are still running things and hope that one day this will all work out in their favor. It won't of course and many will continue voting and acting against their own interests until it's too late. In fact I believe it's too late already to save this ill-gotten country from becoming Third World. Yes I am suggesting that many people tacitly support the government killing 3000 American citizens, if that means we get to kill some black and brown people are steal their oil to secure our own future and prosperity. Americans are notorious exceptionalists and nativists. People of all races here will support slaughter of foreigners if it means we can maintain our lifestyle. Bush and company should've been impeached and thrown in the gulag years ago. The reason they haven't is because white Americans allow their own personal insecurities and fears to be used against them to garner support for illegal wars via false flag terrorism. Then the government makes its ties to Christianity, which is just another form of white nationalism. Put it all together and you have a white mass that neither can change or is willing to do so. In other words, game, set, match folks. Ironically the very thing that created this nation, white supremacy, is the very thing that also destroyed it. by Nfamous (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 104 comments [48 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:45:24 AM (0+)
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Reply: ...And Steal Their Oil "
Nfamous, Nfamous said : "Yes I am suggesting that many people tacitly support the government killing 3000 Americans if that means we get to kill some black and brown people and steal their oil..." This is true and there certainly exists some sort of silent complicity in action on which the gangster government relies in committing obvious crimes, otherwise truth would have come to light sooner and accepted more easily. However and fortunately, the majority abhor this brand of sickening justification, especially the young and well educated. By the way Ron Paul is part of the Establishment and not totally free to respond to our wishes and dreams, otherwise he would be small-plane crashed or JFKed immediately. by ramsheyi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 793 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:27:58 PM (0+)
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Two recommendations for a 9/11 Truther
While nothing "new" or revealing is presented in the article (aside from the obvious linking of the 9/11 Truth Movement to the Anti-war Movement), I'm left with the impression that this is Professor Fetzer's quid pro quo for the recently-published letter in an obscure journal by another group of "esteemed" Truthers - "Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction" - click here . by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:24:23 PM (0+)
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Reply: I reiterate my call to take these men into custody . . .
Perhaps you missed it, but at the National Cathedral when the "official account" was sanctified Bush condemned "outrageous conspiracy theories", no doubt anticipating that some citizens would be bright enough and diligent enough to start sorting things out. It turns out, of course, that the most "outrageous" of them all is the government's own account. If you want proof, go to 911scholars.org and study, "Why doubt 9/11?", which can be found on the top-left of its menu bar. Take a look and get back to me about what we have wrong. The administration has been lying about every aspect of 9/11. The whole idea, of course, is to take 9/11 "off the table" of public discussion. Perhaps I am more aware of it than you would be, but there has been great pressure placed on institutions of higher learning to suppress discussion of this subject. Faculty at several colleges and universities have lost their positions or been denied tenure for their interest in studying "the most important event of the 21st C." I don't think it is much of a leap of logic to appreciate that the administration's lack of desire to investigate and the extreme control it exercised over the 9/11 commission's inquiry via Philip Zelikow was highly revealing. Those of us who have taken the time and made the effort to study 9/11 have found massive resistance from the media and from the Bush administration. If you are unaware of their extreme reluctance to discuss these issues, then you are very uninformed. When I have been featured on "Hannity & Colmes" or "The O'Reilly Factor", for example, it has been because the hosts wanted to have an example to pillory for "hating his country", as they put it. But there is a huge difference between devotion to your country and having contempt for an administration that has betrayed the principles for which it is supposed to stand. I would like to think you can appreciate the difference. As a former Marine Corps officer (USMC, 1962-66). I served in the Far East but not in Vietnam and resigned my commission as a Captain to enter graduate school and pursue the study of the history and philosophy of science. Since I can only speak for myself, I don't understand why it is inappropriate for me to call for the resignation from the government of those with dual citizenship, from his military service for the Director of the CIA, and for the arrest of those who issue orders that entail the further commission of war crimes. I was speaking for myself, as indeed my language made self-evident. I reiterate those calls. by Jim Fetzer (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 5:06:47 PM (0+)
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Reply: Be, Know, and Do
"...[A]t the National Cathedral when the "official account" was sanctified Bush condemned 'outrageous conspiracy theories', no doubt anticipating that some citizens would be bright enough and diligent enough to start sorting things out." by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:55:52 AM (0+)
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Reply: first class
nice going, Tom, thanks Hey, Hot-Shot - GeorgeWashington's Blog at 911Blogger.com TheMemoryHole.org Senator Graham Admits Complete 9/11 Timeline - CooperativeResearch.org aka HistoryCommons.org AMERICANS SLAM NEWS MEDIA ON BELIEVABILITY by Better World Order (4 articles, 568 quicklinks, 39 diaries, 1110 comments [56 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:12:21 AM (0+)
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Mysteries
by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:24:59 PM (0+)
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Reply: Of Hatred Towards Innocents
Alan Williams, Here is a retort to your disgusting and abject hatred towards innocent people whose only crime is to have oil under their feet that you and your nasty handlers want to steal through lies and hideous crimes Go to : www.iamthewitness.com I have more this if you are pleased by ramsheyi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 793 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:04:13 PM (0+)
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Reply: It's not about hate, not on MY part
I don't have "abject hatred" towards people who would celebrate the attacks of 9/11. I have only pity and sadness. I'm not surprised that they celebrated the attacks; that's what they've been taught to do from an early age. I'm not saying that EVERYONE in the middle east celebrated the attacks, but obviously lots of people there did, more than we were allowed to see. My main intention is to correct Fetzer's error on this, because he erroneously uses this as an example of supposedly being lied to about 9/11, not to express "hatred" for anyone. Why do you jump to that conclusion? by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:28:20 PM (0+)
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Fake footage of Palestinian "Celebrations of 9/11"
I studied this back in 2001-2002, and found at least one case where old footage of a Palestinian martyr's funeral was provided by Israeli sources and shown on US television, purportedly showing Palestinian celebrations on 9/11. I found absolutely no evidence of any authentic footage of alleged Palestinian celebrations of 9/11. Any authentic footage, of course, would include interviews with the celebrating people, who would happily discuss WHAT they were celebrating. As far as I can tell, no such footage exists. That means that the footage purportedly showing these alleged celebrations of 9/11 is almost certainly bogus. Additionally, I have spoken to people who were in Gaza and the West Bank during 9/11, and they said that a shocked silence pervaded the country--everyone was inside watching television, and nobody was in the streets. The evidence suggests that the "celebrating Palestinians" urban legend was an Israeli psy-op. by Kevin Barrett (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 19 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:45:01 PM (0+)
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Reply: Bert, Osama, and Evil
A fair number in the Muslim world MOST CERTAINLY delighted in the 9/11 attacks and celebrated Osama bin Laden for doing so. Check out these articles that detail Bangladesh protestors in October 2001, chanting anti-American slogans and carrying posters with Osama and Sesame Street's beloved Bert. by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:49:07 PM (0+)
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Evidence?
Seems to me that Palestinian funerals don't usually feature smiling, happy people, as was portrayed by the Reuters and I believe FOXNEWS 9/11 tapes. Yes, I know, you hate FOXNEWS, but they apparently had their reporter in the area (Jennifer Griffin) who has filed hundreds of reports from within the Palestinian Territories. The AP has made statements describing the fact that they had similar footage, but were warned not to televise it by the PA, as were other news outlets. Certainly MOST Palestinians didn't participate in outright celebrating in the streets, but to deny that at least a somewhat significant amount of celebrating occurred is simply ignoring the preponderance of the evidence. I don't doubt your witness accounts, but other things were witnessed as well. Now if you have some kind of actual evidence that the footage at issue was faked, by Israel you say, then lay it out. You seem to be merely speculating based upon an apparent disdain for some aspect of Israel, in fact trying to project over to the "Likudnik Zionists". It's possible like you said that there was an instance of some old footage being used improperly, but that doesn't erase the fact that there is also genuine footage, and that there was genuine celebrating. In fact, it seems that they were still celebrating, in a sense, although perhaps not still in the streets. Apparently a poll was taken in 2005 that revealed that "65% of Palestinians support(ed) Al Qaeda actions in the USA and Europe." And their cartoons are just lovely. by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:26:36 PM (0+)
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Fact, Fable, Red Herring
Alan Williams, In your attempt to bullshit us you are getting more and more confused. Let's separate items Documented Undeniable Fact : On 9/11 Israeli nationals were seen dancing and cheering and singing on top of a white van in Liberty Square Park facing the Hudson river and the exploding towers. They were MOSSAD agents according to the Jewish weekly The Forward. Fiction And Never Verified Rumor: On 9/11 Palestinians were dancing in the streets of Gaza and cheering while the towers were burning. I have not come across a single eyewitness document or interviews with Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11. When you can not verify a rumor, it remains a rumor and nothing more. Red herring meant to confuse the issue : 'A poll taken in 2005 revealed that 65% of Palestinians support (ed)Al Qaeda actions in the US and Europe' What has this got to do with the Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11? Is this so-called poll taken in 2005 your sole and only irrefutable proof that they must have been dancing in the streets on 9/11? I tell you this, go back to your handlers and don't come back until you have visited the websites I have indicated to you. And here is another one : By the way I was an eyewitness of Iranians weeping in the streets of Tehran on 9/11 and they did hold candlelights by the thousands in the biggest square in the evening. Please go to hell and disappear from this site by ramsheyi (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 793 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Wednesday, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:49:28 PM (0+)
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Reply: The PA encourage then suppressed coverage
Consider the rumor verified, ramsheyi: by Tom Murphy (3 articles, 5 quicklinks, 16 diaries, 2100 comments [55 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:00:38 PM (0+)
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News reports
by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:39:14 AM (0+)
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Reply: "Make War by Deception"
Israel has a history of employing deception to attain its ends, as the motto of the Mossad indicates. I find it far-fetched in the extreme to raise the possibility that Palestinians could be more sophisticated than Israelis at disinformation, which is one of their areas of specialization. Of course, the US has a history of false flag terrorism, a brief summary of which may be found at the following http:// www.dailypaul.com/node/46285#comment-438595 William Colby, former and now deceased Director of the CIA, observed that the CIA owned every person of prominence in the mass media. I have no doubt that includes reporters in the Middle East. Anyone who does not think the disinformation program for 9/11 was not given the highest priority has simply not thought this through. All the lies and deception are on the same side: the Bush administration and Israel. Who, after all, has been lying to whom? by Jim Fetzer (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:14:34 AM (0+)
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Reply: Whoa
It was a joke, Jim, an illustration of the absurdity of attempting to make a case without evidence, as you and Barrett have done. Not only with this small point, but with part and parcel of the complete collection of the "truth" movement's bizarre, vacant and vapid claims. Nonexistent celebrating Pals are but a microcosm. by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:37:55 PM (0+)
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Postscript
Significantly, I returned to Madison only to discover a series of recent posts that confirm the themes of my presentation. One was a report of Benjamin Netanyahu telling an audience at Bar Ilan University that the 9/11 terror attacks “were good for Israel”. Netanyahu, by the way, just happens to be a close personal friend of Larry Silverstein. These relationships are important to understanding 9/11. Disturbingly, there were also several reports about studies that have been done of the consequences of a nuclear attack on Washington, D.C. They suggest that an attack with a nuclear device near The White House would kill around 100,000 people and flatten federal buildings. The panel that called for these studies is chaired by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), Israel’s strongest ally in the Senate. The New York Times (20 April 2008) has now published an extensive study confirming that the Pentagon and the mass media have used “independent military experts” with massive conflicts of interest to evaluate progress in Iraq. And, to my astonishment, The Times (24 April 2008) reported that General Michael Hayden, the Director of the CIA, will resign his commission but continue with his position during the coming summer. Additional links: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel (16 April 2008) http:// www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html Nuclear attack on D.C. a hypothetical disaster (16 April 2008) http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080416/METRO/556828862/1001 Risk of Nuclear Attack on Rise (16 April 2008) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041502969.html Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand (20 April 2008) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin C.I.A. Director Announces He’ll Retire from Air Force (24 April 2008) MORE ABOUT THIS ARTICLE: 9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda (with links) http://911scholars.org (scroll down the home page) 9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda (slightly edited with illustrations and links) The Real News James Fetzer, 15 April 2008 (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdApVIeRN7U Prof. Jim Fetzer recounts Freedom Rally Speech, 15 April 2008 (audio) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6635228399258204816&hl=en by Jim Fetzer (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:09:11 PM (0+)
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"Crucial link" not acknowledged
"There is a crucial link between the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement, because exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars." I was hoping Dr. Fetzer would have built a stronger case to support his idea that there is a "crucial link between the anti-war movement and the 9/11 truth movement." I demonstrated on the streets for one year regarding my dual message of "Troops Home Now" (anti-war) and "9-11 = Inside Job" (9-11 truth). The anti-war folk 99 percent of the time refused to join our street demonstrations. The anti-war folk just generally do not accept the findings of Dr. Fetzer and other scholars regarding 9-11. I only read two or three other comments but a person named Michael Shaw pretty much demonstrated the typical "anti-war" type. About the best they can muster up is a weak LIHOP position regarding 9-11. I am beginning to see that the different understandings that liberals and conservatives (me) have of abstractions like "truth" "freedom" "peace" and "justice" is why there are not more anti-war activists joining the 9-11 truth movement. by Jeannon Kralj (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:41:57 PM (0+)
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Reply: Most people know better
Most people know better than to think that 9/11 was an inside job, other than being inside al-Qaeda. That includes anti-war folks. The distorted notion comes from the "truth" movement having flooded the Internet with their "theories" and bragging about vague, dual-meaning polls that they spin into saying that everyone out there believes like they do. It's a mirage, of sorts. by Alan Williams (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 858 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 12:00:16 AM (0+)
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Reply: Please elaborate . . .
Jeannon, I am intrigued by your observation, I am beginning to see that the different understandings that liberals and conservatives (me) have of abstractions like "truth" "freedom" "peace" and "justice" is why there are not more anti-war activists joining the 9-11 truth movement. Please elaborate. I would like to hear more. Thanks. Jim by Jim Fetzer (30 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 63 comments [31 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 12:05:27 PM (0+)
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