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May 29, 2008
Failed Conservative Values: Jim Dean on Corruption
By Edwin Rutsch
I interviewed Jim Dean, Chair of Democracy for America (DFA) at the Democratic Party Convention in San Jose, California. I asked Jim how conservative values have failed. He says current conservativism is like a despotic dictator and is about corruption, power and the rewarding of friends.
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"A government, for protecting business only, is but a carcass, and soon falls by its own corruption and decay." Amos Bronson AlcottI interviewed Jim Dean, Chair of Democracy for America (DFA) at the Democratic Party Convention in San Jose, California. I asked Jim how conservative values have failed. He says current conservativism is like a despotic dictator and is about corruption, power and the rewarding of friends.
Failed Conservative Values: Jim Dean on Corruption
Edwin: If progressive values are responsibility, what is the opposite? What is the value on the conservative side then?
Jim: Well, I’m not sure about that. I think the conservative -- or what is a conservative -- is going through a period of redefinition. I think that’s going to last awhile.
If we look at things that Barry Goldwater, and even William Simon stood for, what’s happened with that has changed dramatically. It’s not the party of Barry Goldwater and William Simon. It’s turned into the party of Manual Noriega, or whoever your favorite despotic dictator is.
You know, it’s very corrupt in the way that they operate. It’s all about power and rewarding their friends. It’s become something – even the free enterprise stuff – they talk about getting rid of government regulation, but what they are really doing is subsidizing very large businesses that in many respects aren’t competitive or don’t act in the national interest any more.
So there’s a lot of corruption of thought on that side. And I think it’s going to take a while for them to sort themselves out. I don’t think it’ll return to necessarily the total free market conservatism or even the values conservatism, because they found that both of those really don’t work in today’s society. But what that’s going to end up really looking like is something I don’t know yet.
Edwin: One question I’m having is have conservative values failed?
Jim: Well, I think they have, because they just don’t work in today’s society. I think a lot of this has to do with particularly the conservative religious folk who have really been trying to take over the political process, and, in fact, did succeed in many respects over the last eight years.
So, when they talk about a woman’s right to choose, equal rights for everybody, they tend to be on the wrong sides of those issues. And being on the wrong side of it doesn’t mean disagreeing with me, it means being for something that doesn’t work in today’s society.
To say that gay and lesbian people shouldn’t have the same rights as every other American simply doesn’t work in today’s society.
Edwin: What is the underlying value behind that?
Jim: I think the underlying value is their belief that his nation has some religious component to its politics. That means that their interpretation of the Bible is the way that all the rest of us are supposed to live.
And that’s not what we are. This nation was founded on tolerance. Tolerance for different people, for different religions, for different cultures. That’s why we became as great as we have, and why our democracy has really been the greatest civilization, or social experiment, as some have called it, in the history of this world.
But when you start getting rid of that in favor of your own ideology, whether it’s based on the Bible, the Koran or anything else, and start imposing it on everybody else, it doesn’t work in today’s life. And it’s not American either.
Progressive Values Metaphor: Jim Dean - Hybrid v Largest SUV
Edwin: If you created a metaphor for Progressive and Conservative Values, what would they be like?
Jim: Certainly some of the hybrid cars come to mind. Simply because they serve a lot of different purposes, not just being good on gas. They are enormously practical. They have a certain style to them, but again, they are driven by pragmatism, not ostentatious like “who has the biggest car on the block”- type culture.
I think they have what really appeals to Americans, since they have applied practical ideas as to how to run government and how to run the politics of this government. That’s the first thing that comes to mind. I’m not too good at word association, but certainly, it’s that sort of pragmatic approach.
You see that a lot in a lot of different communities. You know, I work a lot in Vermont – that’s where our office is. You see people who look at this thing as not about left or right. Not about Republicans versus Democrats, but again, about a culture of activism over a culture of incumbency.
The activist part is about simply getting a practical approach to getting government to work for its folks, for its people, for all of its taxpayers. In stead of being driven by right-wing ideology.
Edwin: Talking about right-wing ideology, what would conservative values be like? What metaphor would you have for them.
Jim: Well, right now, SUVs, the largest SUV – the Yukon – it’s as great a word association as I can think of – other than the fact that it’s large, has absolutely no value at all. It uses up a lot of gas, it’s big and unwieldy. It’s difficult to drive, and all it does is make a statement that is kind of irrelevant right now.
Cartoon: “All along I thought our level of corruption fell well within community standards.”
Definition of Corruption
Lack of integrity or honesty (especially susceptibility to bribery); use of a position of trust for dishonest gain;
The act of corrupting or making putrid, or state of being corrupt or putrid; decomposition or disorganization, in the process of putrefaction and deterioration.
From Wikipedia
Corruption, when applied as a technical term, is a general concept describing any organized, interdependent system in which part of the system is either not performing duties it was originally intended to, or performing them in an improper way, to the detriment of the system's original purpose. Its original meaning has connotations of evil, malignance, sickness, and loss of innocence or purity....
Political corruption, or the dysfunction of a political system or institution in which government officials, political officials or employees seek illegitimate personal gain through actions such as bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement. ...
Putrefaction or decomposition of recently living matter. This physical process is the primary model of the metaphorical meaning of corruption, so advanced states of corruption in, e.g. a political structure are said to result in their putrefaction.
Some Questions for Discussion:
- Do you think corruption is a conservative value?
- What does the Conservative Culture of Corruption mean?
- How have conservative values failed?
- What conservative value has been the greatest failure.
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