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July 17, 2016

Bernie Sanders as Vice President? Signers of the Petition to Redo the Hijacked NY Primary Respond to My Article

By Stephen Fox

Our VP presides over the US Senate, and Bernie's position would give him unprecedented abilities to advance overdue progressive legislative solutions One commenter: Sanders as VP would be the most healing thing for our country at this time. I am appalled at some of the comments that I have read from 'former' supporters. At the wise age of 71, I contemplate that this may be one source of what is wrong with our nation.

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Here is the original OEN article:

Sanders is the Best Possible Democratic Vice Presidential Candidate

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These comments are in response to this article and are from the people who signed the Moveon.org petition I wrote that asked the NY Attorney General to get a Federal court order for a new NY Primary regarding my recent article at OpEdNews on Bernie Sanders as the Best Possible VP Candidate. This petition was virtually ignored by the NY AG and by the next person we focused on, Preet Bharara, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and to be diplomatic, "unresponded to" by Bernie's campaign lawyer, Brad Deutsch.

These are almost entirely unedited comments, and all came in this afternoon. Most are deeply sincere; remember that because all of them signed the petition, they have strong feelings about election integrity, all of which were violated by what they saw or read about in the NY primary 2016, the most egregious of them all. I share them to honestly assess who likes and find merits in the original idea, of Sanders as VP and President of the US Senate. Troubling questions are raised about whether he might have been threatened in several ways to make this endorsement. Remember, it was not a concession, and may have been necessary just to be able to speak at the Convention.

Priscilla Herochik: It is a very well-written article and I agree with it. Given the fact that Trump is tied with Clinton in most of the swing states, I'm very worried that the Democrats will lose to Trump. A Trump/Pence ticket would be a nightmare if they were elected.

I cannot understand how the DNC can be so blind as to the excess baggage that Hillary Clinton carries into this election. It's like they have blinders on and only want to see that it's her turn to be the first Woman president. That makes no sense at all to me.

Bernie Sanders would've been such a better candidate. But I agree, if he's not at the top of the ticket being second in line certainly be helpful.

Carol Hexem: The best thing for this country and every county on our planet is for the Democratic Party to die. We are being told we have to choose between Evil (Trump) and Greater Evil (Clinton). You don't have to open your mind too wide to see she is the greater evil. I am including a video link of Jill Stein. This is not a throw away vote, we are now faced with Evil or Greater Evil, why would you vote for either. If Bernie is VP he will be powerless among a sea of Democrats and Republicans or as I like to say a sea of Evil and Evil. The best thing to come of this revolution Bernie started is the support of a totally uncorrupt party and that is the Green party.I'm waiting until after the convention to see if another miracle happens and he is the nominee, then I'm going full Green, please join me.

Roxanne Gihl: Thank you so very, very much for all you've been doing for Bernie Sanders, and all of us voters-You represent the best kind of citizen, the kind Ralph Nader would be so proud of! You are great!

I agree with your conclusion that Bernie could be an effective Vice President- and such a gesture might be the only possible way to hold on to many "Berners" who now feel alienated completely and will splinter off in many varied directions, including staying home and forgetting they even thought about voting. Sad!

However, "learning to be silent" is a huge mistake-- we need to be out there as a continuing force for change-- whether Bernie is out in front or not! It seems plain to me that he won't be able to continue the "revolution"-- but he started it and those of us who loved what he said want it to continue one way or another. Personally, I'm now going to support Jill Stein as the torchbearer for the REAL change we need.

Finally I intend to keep listening to people like Tim Black and H.A. Goodman, and Debbie Lusignan, who I think are true believers and thinkers for change, and a great source of information about election fraud issues (Trustvote.org and Election Justice USA are quite brave in this regard!) Thanks again! I will try to write a letter to the editor of my local paper and making comments on their articles, I do believe those comments are widely read and considered.

David Yennior:

The choice of a VP is very important with the FBI investigation into the Clinton State Department and The Clinton Foundation. She may be forced to resign. Since Clinton has agreed to 80% of Bernie's agenda. He would be on the frontline fighting for those agenda items. He'd have the tie-breaking vote only as Senate President. But, it's doubtful that Clinton would choose Bernie. Bernie's delegates could force his name into nomination for President and later VP. Today's polls show Trump winning Ohio and Florida along with other key states. A Trump presidency would be disastrous.

Judy Blaisdell: In my opinion, that would be worse for him than going back to the Senate. Why should Bernie or his supporters settle for V.P. when we all know that he won the nomination were it not for voter suppression and outright voter fraud? I am not sure Bernie could stomach being on the ticket with her. Most likely, he could be more effective in the Senate than by being her lap dog. Most of Bernie's supporters would follow him anywhere as long as it does not involve voting for Hillary. No, I want Bernie for President. I don't think that Hillary has the integrity or the wisdom to be President. I do not think it is "her turn." I want Bernie or nothing. End of story.

Eleanor Martinez:

The GOP tactics used by the Democratic Party, a party I've been a member of since 1974, has disgusted and angered me so thoroughly that, after the convention, I will be permanently leaving this party. I will not associated myself with such a reprehensible organization.

Maybe the Democratic Party NEEDS to die. Or at least be seriously gutted. There are way more than enough of us to form our own party--a party that represents US, and listens to US, not Wall Street or Big Pharma or other moneyed interests, and, Bernie Sanders has the support of a majority of Independent voters, nearly half of the present Democrats and, believe it or not, about 20% of disgruntled Republicans. I cannot and will not be part of a party that does not listen to me and operates without a moral compass.

Dr. Jan Kirsch: I find this letter compelling and believe that you are beyond reproach in terms of credibility. I am glad that you document this well. Some Bernie followers will hurl expletives at you, or worse - say that you have sold out or lost moral stamina. But you already know this. Those of us who know you understand that you are striving to make the most of Sanders' determined efforts for real change. I would easily support this alternative before allowing Trump to triumph. I have already smelled the Reichstag burning.

Susan Sarabasha:

Very well written and a clear cogent argument. However, I disagree. I have seen most VP's become silenced in that position. They are in the wings waiting for something to happen to the POTUS, not much more. Bernie would have way more power IN the Senate than as the titular head of it. He is also hinting at more. We need to wait and see. Bernie is a brilliant man who forecasts well.

Susan Larson: I think Bernie Sanders as VP would be the most healing thing for our country at this time. I am appalled at some of the comments that I have read from 'former' Bernie supporters and at the wise age of 71, I sit and contemplate that this may be another source of what is wrong with our country, at the moment. If I don't get my way, I will lash out and Trump comments all over the place. I am very sad about this. I am also appalled at how quickly a person that some say they 'revered' can be thrown under the bus.

Now that this is off my chest, I am not sure how I will vote come November. I still hope for a miracle at the convention. Whatever, Bernie has definitely begun a movement that I pray will continue. President Obama did as well, but I think many of us were ignorant to the fact that the President has his hands tied if the Congress is not in line.

Meryl Ann Butler, Managing Editor, OpEdNews.com:

These are good points, Stephen! And you asked for my two cents, so here it is:

I and many others have not given up on the hope that something unexpected may happen before or during the DNC. There is still a possibility, admittedly remote, that a bizarre event could make Bernie the nominee. This election cycle has been full of surprises, and it would not be coherent to expect the surprises to stop now. In fact, I am personally not posting any articles that venture into the area of "what if Bernie does not get the nomination." I want him to get the nomination, so I am living my life and directing my intentions toward that reality. If that is not the reality that transpires, then I can recalibrate my course at that time.

Lyra Engel: With all that has been revealed about Candidate Clinton in the course of these rigged primaries, I am spending my time now listening to Jill Stein and gathering information about getting behind what appears to be the only truly sane and progressive candidate remaining. Bernie blew this one in my opinion.

Lisa Greil: I tend to agree that she would need Sanders as her running mate to get the votes needed to win (would seem the only logical choice), but what I fear is that the general election will be run just as the Democratic primary was (even if she really runs without him), with massive voter suppression and election fraud, and if needed the final outcome will be flipped in her favor if Trump gets ahead. She got to where she is by cheating and it would be naïve to think it won't happen in the general as well.

Michael Cohen: I can't bear the thought! I will be voting for Jill Stein and the Green Party. I will never vote for Clinton no matter what. Here's a piece I've sent out:

Leave it to Donald Trump to have one of the best tweets on Bernie's endorsement of Hillary:

"Bernie Sanders endorsing crooked Hillary Clinton is like Occupy Wall Street endorsing Goldman Sachs."

Also, political gossip columnist Linda Stasi in today's Daily News had a great piece as well. Highly recommended. I would never vote for murderer Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. I'll be voting for Jill Stein, Green Party, for President. Lots of disgruntled Bernie supporters joined the Green Party last night following Bernie's betrayal.

Mitchel Cohen

Tuesday, July 12, 2016

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Gabe Feder; Stephen, thanks for including me in this bcc from move On - your efforts are appreciated! You may be heartened by the following email I received today from Team Bernie Media that is a message from Bernie. The crux of this is that he did what he did to maintain an ONGOING influence on the party. As to your article, I like the passion and the thought process in it, and though I personally do not think that there needs to be the VP move you state below for reasons I will continue to explain, the motivation is sound.

First, I think Bernie did something brilliant remaining a candidate and co-opting Hillary's followers to support him as a candidate should legal issues prevent her success as a candidate to convince Super delegates at the convention to switch.

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July 13th, 2016:

Bernie endorsed Hillary yesterday, but he did not concede. Here's why that matters:

In a conference call with delegates last night, Bernie made it clear he still wants delegates to come with him to the Convention, for several reasons. For one, he wants them to participate in the roll call vote. Officially, that makes this a contested convention. And that's no small point. It may just be the main point highlighting where we're still at and why we are #StillSanders.

"We are still officially a campaign," he said during the call. "I'm not going to suspend..." While he acknowledged that Hillary appears to be in a better position to get the nomination, he then told them: "There will be a roll call vote and we need all of you there to get all the delegates counted." He emphasized that he wanted all 1,900 delegates on the books for Sanders.

Addressing concerns that his delegates might not be given access to the Convention, Bernie said he'll make sure that doesn't happen. "We're going to have attorneys in Philadelphia. We'll make sure every one of you gets your seat," he affirmed. Bernie wants to move the Democratic Party to being Grassroots-Focused. We want to help him fulfill that vision. We will continue building this network with you to participate in supporting these goals as our movement progresses into the future.

Let's do our parts in making this consciousness-raising experiment we know as "Feelin' the Bern" continue to build momentum! Share this entire message with your teams if you've built one, or with family, friends and peers... and on your favorite social media sites. This movement has just begun. It is key that we stick together and grow more organized in time. In solidarity,

Team Bernie Media

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Lew Grupper: If you could only convince Hillary

Darin Singleton: I appreciate your time and effort in advancing this idea. I feel that it is a non-starter and has virtually no chance of being taken seriously by anyone in the political establishment and moneyed interests, which we have found clearly dictates the political process for national office. The façade of allowing even the most timid of Progressive planks in the Democratic platform will be quickly and completely ignored, Progressives will be further marginalized, and a new generation of potential Progressive voters will be utterly alienated by the open and brazen corruption of the political process. I admire your tenacity, and wish you well.

Kenneth Puckett: Though Sanders as VP is tempting and many Berners would vote this ticket, well over a third are #BernieOrBust and would see this as a betrayal. So, doing the math would thus work? A little.... otherwise, they'd rather see a Trump presidency.

Debra Cusick: As are all your other pieces, this one nails it. Unfortunately, powers we don't know have already crowned Hillary. If this election cycle hasn't told you the people don't get a voice, nothing has. The media's decision to announce that she was the presumptive winner the night BEFORE the last primary, which included CA, spoke volumes.

Sharon Carman: Bernie had to endorse. He didn't concede

Scott Marcus: The best position for Bernie, would be Secretary of the Treasury. With him there and Warren in the Senate, they can really clamp down on banking problems.

Judy Goldstock: It would kill me to see Bernie teamed up with a liar warmonger sociopath. So no - terrible idea.

Alison Landes: To further his 'revolution,' Sanders looks to launch up to three new organizations
"In the coming weeks, I will be announcing the creation of successor organizations to carry on the struggle that we have been a part of these past 15 months," the senator from Vermont said. "Our goal will be to advance the progressive agenda that we believe in and to elect like-minded candidates at the federal, state and local levels who are committed to accomplishing our goals."
Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager, said Sanders is working to set up at least two, and possibly three, "sister organizations" to carry out those missions.
One will be devoted to policy formulation. A second will focus on recruiting and training candidates. And a third might engage in other political activity, possibly registering as a political action committee, Weaver said.

http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20160713/to-further-his-revolution-sanders-looks-to-launch-up-to-three-new-organizations

William Thompson: If Bernie stays in the Senate he'll be the chair of the budget committee -- a position of actual power. He and Elizabeth Warren can team up to push progressive policies. Having him cut ribbons and attend funerals of heads of state is a waste of his talents.

Marcia Tanabe: I am not sure what I would do if Bernie was on Clinton's ticket as the VP. I am not sure how much he could get done as VP. And I do not trust Clinton. Is this something that Bernie has said that he is open to? I am currently leaning very strongly towards Jill Stein. I hope you will share with everyone what you have heard back from other Bernie supporters.

Chandra Stovall: Thank you for your email and your articulate article. For many it is confusing how Bernie would endorse Hillary ahead of the convention, after he vowed to fight all the way and then also sought donations for delegates just last week. It naturally makes me cry foul as if something is amiss, even to the point of concern if his family has been threatened.... (?). Anyway, though I have never taken Bernie for a "politicking kind of guy" your suggestion of what may be going on could make sense. I don't know what so many of our "Berners" would do if faced with a Clinton/Sanders ticket..... and I for the first time am not sure how I would react! Altogether, thank you for the email and the article. I look forward to its publishing.

Cari Gardner, New York State Delegate Congressional District 16:

Here are my thoughts:

1) Whenever this has been suggested, in the past, I thought it ridiculous. That Bernie wouldn't want this. That he would lose all his power. I would like to know more about how much power you think he would have as President of the Senate. Wouldn't that only be effective if the Dems are in the majority? (Which, of course, if Bernie brings out the vote, that will happen.) Clearly, Biden hasn't been effective, that I can tell. Although he's not nearly as progressive as Bernie.

2) Do you not think there is a chance that Bernie will win when we delegates contest the nomination? There is so much dirt still out in the ether. And, it seems, Hillary's poll numbers, compared to Trump, are dropping. And, there has been a massive campaign to lobby the super delegates.

3) I will ask this next question, but I already feel fairly certain of the realistic answer. Do you not think there is any chance Bernie will run Green or Independent? Can he be put on the Green Ballot and the WFP ballot? (I think he already will be) Add to those write-ins, and he could probably win. The answer I am fairly certain of is that Bernie wouldn't do this because he is a man of integrity. Although he certainly has enough cause to renege on his promise to not do that.

I think these are all the things I pondered while reading your essay. Thanks for all your efforts. In Solidarity.



Submitters Website: https://www.facebook.com/groups/592985284186083/

Submitters Bio:



Early in the 2016 Primary campaign, I started a Facebook group: Bernie Sanders: Advice and Strategies to Help Him Win! As the primary season advanced, we shifted the focus to advancing Bernie's legislation in the Senate, particularly the most critical one, to protect Oak Flat, sacred to the San Carlos Apaches, in the Tonto National Forest, from John McCain's efforts to privatize this national forest and turn it over to Rio Tinto Mining, an Australian mining company whose record by comparison makes Monsanto look like altar boys, to be developed as North America's largest copper mine. This is monstrous and despicable, and yet only Bernie's Save Oak Flat Act (S2242) stands in the way of this diabolical plan.

We added "2020" to the title.


I am an art gallery owner in Santa Fe since 1980 selling Native American painting and NM landscapes, specializing in modern Native Ledger Art.


I have always been intensely involved in politics, going back to the mid's 1970's, being a volunteer lobbyist in the US Senate for the Secretary General of the United Nations, then a "snowball-in-hell" campaign for US Senate in NM in the late 70's, and for the past 20 years have worked extensively to pressure the FDA to rescind its approval for aspartame, the neurotoxic artificial sweetener metabolized as formaldehyde. This may be becoming a reality to an extent in California, which, under Proposition 65, is considering requiring a mandatory Carcinogen label on all aspartame products, although all bureaucracies seem to stall under any kind of corporate pressure.


Bills to ban aspartame were in the State Senates of New Mexico and Hawaii, but were shut down by corporate lobbyists (particularly Monsanto lobbyists in Hawaii and Coca Cola lobbyists in New Mexico).


For several years, I was the editor of New Mexico Sun News, and my letters to the editor and op/eds in 2016 have appeared in NM, California, Wisconsin, New York, Maryland, the Christian Science Monitor, USA Today, and many international papers, on the subject of consumer protection. Our best issue was 10 days before Obama won in 2008, when we published a special early edition of the paper declaring that Obama Wins! This was the top story on CNN for many hours, way back then....


My highest accomplishments thus far are

1. a plan to create a UN Secretary General's Pandemic Board of Inquiry, a plan that is in the works and might be achieved even before the 75th UN General Assembly in September 2020.


2. Now history until the needs becomes clear to the powers who run the United Nations: a UN Resolution to create a new Undersecretary General for Nutrition and Consumer Protection, strongly supported ten years ago by India and 53 cosponsoring nations, but shut down by the US Mission to the UN in 2008. To read it, google UNITED NATIONS UNDERSECRETARY GENERAL FOR NUTRITION, please.


These are not easy battles, any of them, and they require a great deal of political and journalistic focus. OpEdNews is the perfect place for those who have a lot to say, so much that they exceed the limiting capacities of their local and regional newspapers. Trying to go beyond the regional papers seems to require some kind of "inside" credentials, as if you had to be in a club of corporate-accepted writers, and if not, you are "from somewhere else," a sad state of corporate induced xenophobia that should have no place in America in 2020!

This should be a goal for every author with something current to say: breaking through yet another glass ceiling, and get your say said in editorial pages all over America. Certainly, this was a tool that was essentially ignored in 2016, and cannot be ignored in the big elections of 2020.


In my capacity as Editor of the Santa Fe Sun News, Fox interviewed Mikhail Gorbachev: http://www.prlog.org/10064349-mikhail-gorbachev



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