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The Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show Podcast

Scott Horton & Jesselyn Radack on DOJ Abuses, Failures and Injustices and the "Consigliere" David Margolis, who's Brought the DOJ to its Lowest Point In Years... and how to still nail John Yoo

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This show came about because I read Jesselyn Radack's article, OPR: Torture Lawyers Get a Pass; I Get Referred for Criminal Prosecution and Bar Discipline. That inspired me to invite her on the show.

Then, she sent me a link to this article by Scott Horton, Justice's Vendetta Against a Whistleblower: Six Questions for Jesselyn Radack,  and that inspired me to invite Scott back, to again be a guest on the show, this time for a three way conversation with Jesselyn.

The conversation started discussing the injustice of Jesselyn Radack's case and rapidly moved to discussing the man in the DOJ who is called the "consigliere" by DOJ insiders. this conversation revealed a real horror story-- a problem, a single man, near the top of the DOJ, who was responsible for letting John Yoo and Jay Bybee off the hook, who was the go-to "clean-up" guy corrupt Bush appointees Monica Goodling and Kyle Sampson went to when they got in trouble.

Listen, to find out who this enemy of justice is.

Jesselyn Radack  is a former DOJ attorney-- the only one who, from the Bush years, is still being raked over the coals by the DOJ. That's right. Last week, Torture apologists John Yoo and Jay Bybee have been let off the hook. Here's her website

Jesselyn's wikipedia profile: is a former U.S. Department of Justicewhistleblower after she objected to the government's treatment of John Walker Lindh (the "American Taliban" captured during the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan), having argued that, since a lawyer had been retained to represent him, he could not be interrogated without that lawyer present.
ethics adviser who came to prominence as a

Scott Horton is a Contributing Editor of Harper's Magazine and writes No Comment for website.

A New York attorney known for his work in emerging markets and international law, especially human rights law and the law of armed conflict, Horton lectures at Columbia Law School. A life-long human rights advocate, Horton served as counsel to Andrei Sakharov and Elena Bonner, among other activists in the former Soviet Union. He is a co-founder of the American University in Central Asia, and has been involved in some of the most significant foreign investment projects in the Central Eurasian region. Horton recently led a number of studies of abuse issues associated with the conduct of the war on terror for the New York City Bar Association, where he has chaired several committees, including, most recently, the Committee on International Law. He is also a member of the board of the National Institute of Military Justice, the Andrei Sakharov Foundation, the EurasiaGroup and the American Branch of the International Law Association.

If the topic of this podcast interests you, be sure to listen to this one:

Podcast: Cyril Wecht and John McTiernan Prosecutorial abuse by Bush/Rove Appointed, Supervised DOJ Attorneys (by Rob Kall)

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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