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Rob Kall: All carrying machine guns?

Probably four of them with guns. The guys with the guns were in the military, and then t there were some police officers and then some plain clothes guys who I believe were the secret service guys. They detained me for fifteen or twenty minutes and they took the camera away from Jay. I was in the back seat of the police vehicle and I noticed they had my camera in the front seat. Now I don 't know what that did to the camera, or if they did anything, or maybe Jay just messed it up, but the video he shot of me in cuffs didn 't work, it 's corrupt. For Whatever reason that is, it did not work.

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So they held you for fifteen or twenty minutes, interrogated you and let you go?

Yes. They said, "Well, apparently you haven 't broken any laws, you 're free to go. " They took my name, my social security number, my address, my place of employment and they said if they needed to get in touch with me they would give me a call.

Rob Kall: Have you had any further contact from them or been in touch with them?


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Rob Kall: So, have you been political. I know you were aware of Cheney cursing out Leahey. Have you been active in politics.

For a long time I was, I think, like a lot of Americans, pretty apathetic towards politics, because it seems like both sides ... I wish there a viable third party ... but it seems that with the two party system you 're getting two sides of the same coin kinda deal, where they both seem to interested in, in not doing what 's right for the American people and doing what 's wrong, for their agenda and their pocketbook.

I did start becoming a little active. You know I 've been playing guitar since I was thirteen years old and started writing songs when I was 20 or so. I had written several songs which kinda had a political edge to them and they did pretty well on and I was in my band dR. O, and we did real well on and just to make a long story short, our claim to fame for dR.O on was we had more number ones than any band in the world. We had 26 genre number ones on, we had listeners in over 100 countries. Yahoo life magazine labeled us the supergroup of cyberspace.

Rob Kall: Cool. How would you describe your sound.

It 's sort of alternative hard rock.

Getting to the political activism point of it, on Sept. 11, of 2002, 2003 and 2004 I was in New York to play a concert called the September Concert, which is a free music, city-wide event where musicians come from all over the world to play music in New York, after 9/11, of course, to basically not let people forget about it. In 2004 I decided to stage a one man protest in front of the United Nations. And I played a song I wrote, Four More Wars, that I wrote specifically for the protest. That was a month before the election. It flabbergasted me that people still voted for this person, that, to me, anybody with half a brain wouldn 't vote for this guy. Everyone 's allowed to vote for whoever they want to, but my personal opinion is that this is the worst administration in the history of our country.

If you look at the list of "accomplishments " that W. Gump has, I call him W. Gump because he 's an overachieving simpleton and he 's the world 's most famous cheerleader, the mess doing the agenda of Cheney and Rove ... anyway I played that song four more wars. Basically, the chorus of the song is "are you for more wars? Vote for George Bush, for more. "

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He 's the war president, if you vote for him, guess what you 're going to get. You 're going to get more wars, because apparently that 's all he knows how to do is start war after war without legitimate reason.

Now I must backtrack and say that I was behind the president when he went into Afghanistan . I thought that was certainly justifiable and needed to be done, but then somewhere along the line he got off track and was misled, I don 't know if ... Sometimes I like give him the benefit of the doubt, that he 's being a little naïve and being misled by his handlers spoon feeding him all this bad information as far as justifying a war in Iraq when anybody should have known it was a bad idea. I think most people who follow politics at all thought it was a bad idea. Even his father thought it was a bad idea, if you look back at the historical writings of Bush senior --about things "turning into a quagmire, " which is what we have now.

And then you have Donald Rumsfeld --everything that comes out of his mouth is the opposite of truth -- "Oh, it 's not a quagmire. It 's not like Viet Nam. " Anything he says you can just turn it 180 degress and that 's the reality of the situation. To me, he 's our version of Baghdad Bob.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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