Thanks to Tsara Shelton for help with transcript editing.
Rob: Welcome to Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township reaching Metro Philly and South Jersey. Sponsored by opednews.com. My guest tonight is Daniel Shaw. Daniel Shaw LCSW is a psychoanalytically trained psychotherapist practicing in NY City and Nyack, NY. He is a training analyst, teacher and supervisor of analytic candidates at the National Institute for the Psychotherapies in NY City. I've brought him on to the Bottom-up Radio show because he's written a book, Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation, which I believe helps us to better understand two of the major topics I cover-- top-down domination and the effects of psychopaths and related pathological people on our culture and on individuals. His website is danielshawlcsw.com.
And we'll pick up at the second half of the transcript.
Rob: So you, in your chapter about traumatic narcissism and cults, you put up some concepts and ideas I want to explore with you.
DS: Sure.
Rob: You identify the most common dynamics and I'm just going to read the list real quick. Purification of the ego, is one. Two, only perfection is good enough. Three, incessant urgency. Four, violation of boundaries as a norm. Five, inner deviance must be eradicated. Six, defend the leader no matter what.
DS: Right.
Rob: You want to talk about any of those?
DS: There're all pretty well characteristic of all of the groups that I have been to learn of. So you have soft cover copy right? What page are you on?
Rob: 49.
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