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Rethinking Civilization-- Plunging Earth Into Sixth Extinction; Daniel Quinn Interview Transcript Part 2

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I interviewed Daniel Quinn on April 5th, 2013.  This is part two of a two part interview. Here is a link to the audio podcast. This is part 2 of the interview transcript.  Part one is here.

Thanks to Don Caldarazzo   for doing the transcript.

Daniel Quinn's book, Ishmael, about a telepathic gorilla, won a Ted Turner award for book with a hopeful vision of the future. It's become a bestseller translated into many languages and I recommend it as must reading if you've never read it. This portion of the interview discusses the book AND his thoughts on civilization, beyond civilization, the Sixth Extinction and the disaster that hierarchy is...

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Rob Kall:   This success doesn't seem like such a good thing 

 

Daniel Quinn:   (laughs)

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Rob Kall:   - to most of the people.

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Daniel Quinn:   Yeah, that's probably true, but what I'm trying to direct them to is: to look at the foundations instead of picking at individual things.  Saying, "We've got to stop being dependent on petroleum.  We've got to develop alternative renewable resources for power.  We've got to get rid of gasoline powered automobiles.  We've got to stop polluting the air, the greenhouse gases.  We've got to stop doing the things that are causing climate change."  These things, these particulars - rather than to look at the underlying organization - that says, "This is the way.  It may be terrible, but this is the way people were meant to live.  There is no other way.  There is nothing beyond civilization."

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Rob Kall:   Can I read the final two paragraphs that you sent me on this?

 

Daniel Quinn:   Yeah.

 

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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect, connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. He's given talks and workshops to Fortune 500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful people on his Bottom Up Radio Show, and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and opinion sites, OpEdNews.com

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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