In his final interview, Ellsberg, still fully alert and articulate, urges whistleblowers to continue exposing the truth, though the penalties are dire and he was plain lucky to have gotten off as free as he did -- though not from death threats that streamed at him consistently since his brave and defiant acts way back when. The interviewer deviates in the midst of the interview to discuss whistleblowing and other heroes without a mention of Julian Assange--neither does Ellsberg mention him among the many others specified. But keep reading--Ellsberg's discussion is resumed toward the end of the article.