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Ways the Corona Virus Will Affect Our Lives-- My take and yours

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Corona virus is a massive earthquake that has set off a series of tsunami waves rippling through the world, producing massive effects and disruption.

It's going to affect all of us, very soon, in different ways. It's already affected me. I was supposed to give two workshops at a conference in NYC this weekend. The conference was rescheduled for June. Yesterday, it was learned that some students in my county had possibly had contact with a possible Corona virus patient and four schools were closed. We're just getting started. I'm throwing out some ways I see it affecting people, business, and culture. I believe that not only will it produce a future that looks different. What do you see? How has it already affected you and how do you see it changing things.

The virus is going to hit very hard, if it has not already hit:

People without healthcare or with high copays,

People without health insurance or with high co-pays will be less likely to go for testing less likely to take medication or go to see a doctor. This crisis is a clear halcyon call for medicare for all. If someone develops Corona virus and has to go in the hospital without insurance, or even with bad insurance, it could break them financially. This won't happen to people in the rest of the developed world, where everyone has health care, just in the US.

Working parents with kids in closed schools,

What do parents who depend upon their kids being in school so they can go to work? If the schools close then the parents suddenly have to either personally take care of the kids or find a solution-- and often, childcare solutions are very expensive. This could break people. And even if people can afford to put their kids into day care, the idea of putting a bunch of kids together in close contact could increase risk.

High touch places, like bookstores, retailers, dine in restaurants, bowling alleys, gyms

How do YOU feel about going to a bookstore, or any store where there are items that other people pick up and touch and maybe put back. How about putting your groceries on a conveyer belt that a thousand other people have used? This may be good for restaurants who do a lot of take-out business. But how about buffets? Do you feel like getting food from a buffet where a hundred or five hundred other people have picked at the food in the last day or two. My guess is they will put the food behind glass and hire servers.

This mightl be a bonanza to Amazon and other online sellers. But maybe not. Amazon stock closed on Friday down 17% in the past 15 days.

Small Businesses with under Ten Employees

Small businesses run lean and mean. If a key employee gets sick and has to stay away from work for a prolonged period of time it can really cause the business problems. If two or three get sick, the viability of the business is at risk. Think of a pizza place with two cooks, covering two different shifts, two front counter people and a few delivery people There's little backup. If two or three get sick, there's a real problem.

Old fashioned human connection; Human contact, including handshakes, hugs, face-to-face interaction

I've found myself starting to shake people's hands then pulling my hand back, with the other person understanding. I did shake one guy's hand and afterward I regretted it. A cousin told me she cancelled a date because the guy had a cough. I imagine this will affect singles dating, and, for that matter, everyones' decisions on what kinds of dates to go out on. It could affect family gatherings.

Conferences, and conventions, sporting events cruise ships, theme parks, airlines, bus companies, trains

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Almost total hysteria and nothing else.

Here's the take from South Korea:


With 140,000 people tested, the country's mortality rate is just over 0.6 per cent compared to the 3.4 per cent global average reported by the WHO.

Various factors can influence this percentage, but scientists agree that all things being equal, it is more accurate when more people are tested.


So, mortality roughly in line with a bad flu season.

How many people die of the flu every year in America? About 57,000. It's the 8th leading cause of death. Every year. So far, there have been 17 deaths in America, all of which had comorbidity factors like old age, lung conditions, diabetes, etc.

Unusually, children are NOT especially vulnerable to COVID-19, so the idea of closing whole schools because 1 or 2 children got sick is just insane. 1,700 people got the flu in New York in the time 76 got Covid-19 in New York.

But this is misleading.

The U.S. has lost core competency in almost everything and is incapable of testing or treating people on the scale of South Korea, let alone China, where the infection rate is already declining. So, in reality, many times more people had the corona virus, got over it, and were never diagnosed with it. Even our newly empowered Governor who immediately upon passing a law in the middle of the night, giving him virtually unlimited power, wasted no time declaring a State of Emergency n New York says 80% of the people who get Covid-19 will "self-resolve" while only 20% will need hospitalization. It's actually much less than 20% because of the aforementioned incompetence of Trump's CDC, whose budget has been slashed, and other emergency services. You'd think that would result in more sickness and death, but ironically, in this case, it mostly results in undiagnosis. Even the WHO agrees with this. The actual rate will certainly be below 1%, if accurate testing of Americans is ever done.

What are the effects of closing schools, people staying home and not earning a living, being unable to pay one's bills, running out of sick time and maybe losing one's job from hysteria either on one's own or through the workplace? What are the effects of paying up to thousands of dollars for testing and deductibles, sometimes without insurance? This is why the stock market is cratering: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt FUD. Not the virus itself, which is not even in the top 100 as a cause of death. It will certainly get worse"until it doesn't. Chances are it'll plateau here too, once there is herd immunity. In a year or less there'll be some sort of vaccine; Israel is only weeks away from modifying an existing vaccine that works on a similar corona virus. There are lots of other biotech companies racing to come out with other cures. Meanwhile, solid results showing intravenus vitamin C and even other nearly free cures can and have cured corona viruses. But these are being suppressed in favor of expensive pharma cures which the government will pay any amount for because of the panic.

This is when socialized medicine will suddenly become OK, even as it results in thousands of worried well people wasting resources, looking to doctors to cure them when they continue to smoke, overeat, and engage in other risky behavior that is multiple times more dangerous.

It's hard to be a progressive when the main disease of humanity is stupidity. You can't fix stupid.

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Comparing cumulative deaths to cumulative cases gives a wildly low picture of case mortality rates when a disease is spreading rapidly, because deaths occur two weeks or more after the first symptoms appear. That is why initial rates in China were given as 2.1 percent and have risen as the spread of the disease has slowed. Scott, you and many others are comparing deaths from an epidemic in its early stages in the US, when health officials are basically playing whac-a-mole, with the number from flu that is endemic in its reach.

Focus on the rate, which is far higher than the current flu, not the cumulative number of deaths. WHO now reports that the case mortality rate among over-80s is close to 15 percent and especially high for males. Should they not worry?

As for children who are mildly affected or symptomless, they can be carriers. A school closes---who will baby sit, the grandparents?

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You need to be sharing your thoughts with the Italians, who, after all, have much better screening and health care in place than the US and seem to be doing just fine.

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From the link:

Italy is grappling to contain Europe's worst outbreak of the virus, with 4,636 cases detected as of Friday evening, according to official figures. Of that number, 197 people have died and 523 people have recovered. Italy has so far carried out 36,359 tests.

The leader of Italy's Democratic party also has COVID-19 and self-reports he is "fine." Even with a commendable testing rate, it's possible Italy is missing some people who have mild cases and are just recovering on their own, as the high majority of people do, including most children, who may get "colds" that are really COVID-19.

Complicating things a bit is the fact that Italy has one of Europe's oldest populations 45.4 years old on average. Being over 60 or higher is a major risk. Both China and Italy have high rates of smoking, especially among men, which probably partly explains the higher male death rate. The recovery rate is currently twice the death rate, currently ~5% and ~10% respectively. The rate of the rest is unknown, though the recovery rate climbs much faster than the death rate, if China with its early statistics is any guide ~57,000 recovered vs. 80,695 diagnosed.

There's reason to suspect all countries are missing a lot of cases, even the WHO admits that the death rate is probably closer to 1%, higher than the normal flu, but still way lower than recent outbreak of MERS, SARS, and certainly Ebola which has a mortality rate of close to 80%.

In the U.S. the diagnosis amount is current 433, with 17 deaths and 8 recovered. These reverse proportions of deaths vs. recovery almost certainly reflect under-reporting, and a skew towards those who have the most serious cases. It's quite possible the actual amount of people with COVID-19 is 10X or even 100X higher and most have just been "self-recovering" all along.

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For a couple of months Indonesia was one of the few Asian countries without any COVID-19 cases, and I think now they have a few. When my husband and I were there in January, there were lots and lots of Chinese tourists and something going around featuring a really bad cough, a fever and a rather long incubation period. Perhaps the warm climate spared them what happened elsewhere, or the air is better than in China or simply their poverty means people die of colds all the time and no one bats an eyelash. Another big factor I think is why test when all it's going to do is cause your tourism revenues to drop off a cliff? It finally became too stark a disparity, I reckon, and they had to own up to a few.

I do see profiteers rubbing their palms in the background, and I wonder just how long America can keep the pharmico-medical racket going before the latter hits a reef and the rats abandon it--but what other rackets are there for the rats to scramble to?

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As large as your list is, it is probably incomplete. A week ago I did a search for what economists were saying about the virus's possible effects. By and large, they were clueless regarding the science. One said a worst-case scenario was 350,000 cases worldwide. For epidemiologists a worst case is at least hundreds of millions, even billions.

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I live in northern California, in a county where there are already several reported cases. My wife and I, 69 and 75 years old, have decided to become, until we see how it plays out, "hermit gardeners", stocking up on supplies, planting greens, and for the most part keeping away from other people. And that's because of several factors, the "magic" of geometric progression and the frequently long incubation period of the virus coupled with the fact that, unlike many other viruses, people are contagious before they show symptoms, while many never show symptoms, many children and young adults, for example, but will still be carriers. Apparently the virus is not spread so much by small airborne particles but by larger particles that may drop onto nearby objects and can then remain active on surfaces for up to a week, meaning that if an infected person touches an object, you may contract the virus if you touch that object within a week. These factors mean that there is much opportunity for "silent" spreading of the virus, so it is likely prudent to not wait until cases have been reported in your immediate locale to take preventative measures. The "magic of geometric progression" is well illustrated by the classic wheat and chessboard problem, which shows how something can start out very small and balloon very quickly. If there is one case in your county, two cases four days later, four cases four days later, eight cases four days later, and sixteen cases four days after that, six weeks down the road there may very well be more than a thousand, and six weeks after that thirty-two thousand, which that would come two months after the first case. That's not taking into account, of course, that before that happened there would hopefully be some steps taken to slow it down.

I feel that suggesting only that people stay away from large crowds does not take those factors into account and are two steps behind what people really need to be doing. I think the advice to wash your hands frequently and not touch your face unless you have recently washed your hands is very good advice, but I would like to take it a bit farther by trying to stay isolated for a while. Unfortunately, many people do not have the option to stay away from work. In California, Governor Newsom has taken some good steps to encourage people getting tested. In the same article he says that disability insurance and paid family leave will be available for people who have the virus or need to stay home to take care of a family member, which is "locking the barn door after the horse has bolted" for the most part, as far as preventing spread, but at least gives some relief and cuts down the amount of exposure from those people who know they are infected.

Public health measures are very important, of course, but it's not always prudent for an individual to rely on a government's ability to keep one safe. That's why, even though the government passes laws to keep motorists from running down pedestrians, a prudent pedestrian still looks both ways before crossing the street.

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My husband and I are self-isolating too for the same reason. Actually, there are so many things I can do now that I never had time to before. It's really not that bad, but we will have to see what the long-term effects will be on the economy and society. My classes are cancelled for the time being anyway, and I'm still receiving some work by e-mail. But that amount is lower too.

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I'm in Costa Rica, where there are very few if any cases, in spite of the heavy trade, with China, from their end anyway, as every piece of defective, second rate furniture, every bad run household appliance and outdated electronics, is palmed off on this poor little country, in exchange for taking all the fish out of their waters and putting all the native fishermen out of business. I was planning on a typical three month stay here on the beach, where I nabbed a house before prices outstretched all but the luckiest pocketbooks and the local stores stretched their prices beyond what only tourists can afford. However, I'm thinking twice about returning, the alternative of which is a half hour trip across the Nicaraguan border to freshen up my passport.

As I wrote, commenting on an article I posted here, the black death recouped thousands of acres of woods in Europe, and so far the air in China is also benefiting from the lack of industry. It can't be all bad. I'm in the category of people who die from this virus, so I may just stay put, and invite my near and dear in California and elsewhere to come here and escape it!

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Costa Rica Confirms First Case of Coronavirus in yesterdays Tico Times.

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Yes, I was informed by a friend right after I posted my note! Oh well!

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There now are 5 confirmed cases in Costa Rica, no deaths and no recovered as yet.

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Yes, 'everything is suppose to look just great' in a presidential election year. However, that's clearly not the case in 2020 as a previously unknown corona virus spreads flu like symptoms across the globe ('ominous warnings') with no known vaccine and numerous health officials already using the word 'pandemic' to describe the worldwide outbreak. Trump, running for reelection, is insisting he's 'doing a great job' in dealing with this unknown virus but 'everything may not be looking great' for voters when fear of the virus reaches everyone's doorstep, and there's no more friendly hand shaking, or big smiles and no more friendly hugs, no more 'everything is just great', as the sick and the ill voters start showing up at the rallies and the polls in their anti-viral facemasks on November 3, election day. #GlobalDemand .

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I am over 70 with lung issues, so yeah, isolating myself is the only sensible route. I am due to spend a month in Missouri soon on a job, but as things are going I doubt it will happen. The genome of this thing has been analyzed in several countries. It is not the flu and it did not arise naturally. It fell out of some lab, by accident or otherwise. It has elements of HIV in it, and getting a mild case does not immunize you from getting it a second time . It may remain in the body forever in a dormant state. Also there seem to be several strains of it, or it is mutating. What is hitting Iran is more lethal than what we have in the US. or may be. Scientists need to get cracking at analyzing each virus in each country to know how many strains we are dealing with. The most recent research I have read states that there are two different forms of this circulating one mild and one very aggressive. But is it the same strain and are we seeing two different phases of it? We don't know yet. We don't know much. But taking every precaution so as to avoid it is not "hysterical" . It is sensible.

article is at the Telegraph. the new system will not let me add the link

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"It is not the flu and it did not arise naturally. It fell out of some lab, by accident or otherwise. It has elements of HIV in it, and getting a mild case does not immunize you from getting it a second time . It may remain in the body forever in a dormant state. Also there seem to be several strains of it, or it is mutating."

That simply is not true. It did arise naturally and did absolutely not fall out of any lab. It absolutely does not have elements of HIV in it, and once one has had it, one is basically immunized to it. It doesn't remain in the body forever in a dormant state nobody who has had it long enough to justify such a claim. There is only one strain and it is not mutating. You are merely repeating false information and idiotic conspiracy theories that are running rife on the web and on social media.

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You are grossly misinformed. No, I do not get my information from anonymous internet sources. I get my information from scientists who have published studies.

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LOL!

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Can you provide links for your reference? Thanks.

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Lila, once you copy, do CTRL V

It should paste then.

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no, I tried that. I don't understand why this new system does not allow links. nuts.

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The system does allow links. Or you can use your keyboard to copy and paste.

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You make good points. I agree that the socioeconomic disruptions could well be quite disconcerting. But, we can cross our fingers and hope that the whirlwind subsides within a couple of months.

I recall that the swine flu was greatly feared, but that when it finally swept across America, its impact was far less than was anticipated. A lot of kids got it but not much came of it except in a few cases.

On the other hand, who knows what this virus will do? It seems to spare kids while taking down older and infirm people. A death rate of more than 2% -- if that estimate is reliable -- is equivalent to more than one person in 50 who contracts the disease dying from it. That's kinda scary.

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Currently and globally, the fatality rate is 3.36%, down slightly from 3.42%.

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I recommend that you all read PC Roberts take on this, just published here tonight. WHO, the CDC and western governments all have nefarious reasons for wanting this virus to spread and rid them all of the burden of the aged population. He points out that incoming flights have not been halted from heavily infected countries. duh.

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Nonsense.

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Thanks for this thread. Good comments are posted.

Similar to many I am affected negatively by this virus. I believe this virus was created or modified in a lab environment.

The vaccine is available. Western governments have money to mass produce the vaccine.

Any epidemic similar to this will kill good and bad people. There are companies and individuals who have more information for Corona virus.

So far it has been a waiting game.

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"I believe this virus was created or modified in a lab environment."

"The vaccine is available."

No, it was neither created nor modified in a lab environment, and there is no vaccine as yet China, Russia and some other countries are working hard to develop one, but the process is lengthy and will take months.

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Please share with us your scientific evidence for your statements.WHO and CDC are corrupt and untrustworthy. All governments have good reasons for hiding real numbers of deaths.

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I agree with Lila. The WHO has squandered its credibility by promoting corporate profits above public health. The CDC I am not as acquainted with. When central authorities like that are corrupt, we have to piece together whatever information we can from other sources. It is unsettling. Caution is the better part of valor.

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You can follow the progress of Covid-19 around the world here:

yurl.com/uwns6z5

(I used tinyurl because it is a lengthy url.)

It is updated twice or thrice a day, so refresh it two or three times a day.

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A very interesting and informative video of an interview with a fully qualified and eminent virologist which will help you all get the facts right:

Coronavirus | 'Masks won't protect you'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsCK-vE9u8

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We're in a Cosmic Snuff Film: GMOs, depleted uranium covering whole regions in Iraq, farmlands awash in glyphosate, water supplies toxic with fluoride, Flint water.....toxic pharma.....fracking....cloud lines.....and nothing gets rolled back.

AND WE'RE READY TO BELIEVE news reports?

Seems like a controlled demolition of the world's economy: click here

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yup.

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Yes, the stock market is 'sea sawing' and 'the Fed' has nearly panicked by lowering the interest rates a full half a point, as the global economy takes a dive. Some governors have declared state wide emergencies due to the rapidly spreading corona virus. Trump's annual deficits are over a trillion and his national debt is over twenty three trillion dollars. His massive corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the wealthy are unpaid for in his first term. He wants to be all-powerful and should he declare a national emergency because of the dangerous, quickly spreading everywhere corona virus he may impose martial law, becoming in effect, a monarch, assuming 'all power', in 'the land of the free and the home of the brave', as the nation fearfully heads for a presidential election on November 3, 2020. #pandemic.

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Not to mention, perhaps a more sinister way of population (and people uprising) control. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but as people across the globe wake up and finally start doing things en masse about the ways we've been oppressed and oppress other nations (the U.S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia in particular), who's to say that the top of the elite wouldn't do a controlled "experiment" on us and throw the whole globe into panic and chaos? I wouldn't put it past them.

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I quite agree with that statement.

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AND....if you have any doubts 'they' want us dead, I completely overlooked Exhibit A....5G

http://mystreetmychoice.com/

Patriots' Captain Has Never Seen So Much Illness Among Players. Could It Be from Verizon Operating 5G at Their Stadium?

https://www.activistpost.com/2019/11/patriots-captain-has-never-seen-so-much-illness-among-players-could-it-be-from-verizon-operating-5g-at-their-stadium.html

"Verizon has installed 5G in 12 NFL stadiums including the home of the New England Patriots. So is it just a coincidence that there is now a "mystery illness" that is assumed to be "The Flu" causing players to be sent home from practice? "

Ironic about the mention of flu like symptoms, isn't it? This is one of the theories behind the Wuhan epidemic - it could be in part prompted by Wuhan being the first Chinese city operating on 5G:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfqUtW_8AA&t=14s

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Thank you for mentioning that, Helen! I feel like a broken record for pointing it out. They turned on 5G in our town a week or so ago, and I am already sensitive to 4G, Wi-Fi, smart meters, etc.. This was unmistakable, and it's not even commercial yet, just standby. It was worse than my worst case scenario. What shocked me was how badly others seemed to be affected. I was afraid I'd become dependent. Not any more. There won't be anyone I can depend on. I'm lucky I recognize the effects and take avoidance steps!

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Oh how I agree with you!

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China seems to have broken the back of the infection rate, according to the latest news reported in the NY Times:

Officials reported only 99 new cases on Saturday, down from around 2,000 a day just weeks ago, and for the second day in a row, none were detected in Hubei Province outside of its capital, Wuhan, the center of the outbreak.

China says the trend proves that its containment measures which include a lockdown on nearly 60 million people in Hubei and strict quarantine and travel restrictions for hundreds of millions of citizens and foreigners are working. And it has begun trying to promote its efforts as successful in propaganda at home and abroad.

However...

China's blunt force strategy poses deeper questions for other countries. Its campaign has come at great cost to people's livelihoods and personal liberties. Even countries that could copy China still have to ask whether the cure is worse than the disease.

Recessions are demonstrably bad for people's health and wealth. Is the "cure" worth the cost? The article also notes that it is unknown if the rates of infection will climb again as people go back to work, school, etc. as they soon must because of both human needs and the lack of savings.

Also unknown at this time is how long immunity is conferred or if there are significant lasting effects diminished lung capacity, for example. Reinfection rates may prove to be more dangerous than original infection rates if they keep the virus circulating longer than the flu or seasonal strain of the common cold (there are hundreds of cold viruses; that's what makes it so"common.")

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f this article is accurate, the USA has much explaining to do. click here

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The circumstantial evidence is this: In October bill gates conducted a "drill" for a pandemic crossing the globe: a corona virus. Many Pentagon officials were present. Three days later Pentagon officials flew to China to participate in an exercise in Wuhan. I am reminded of the "drill" conducted by FEMA in New York City on 9/11.

Singapore and South Korea have both done an exemplary job of containing this virus, with excellent testing, tracking and reporting to the public. Western nations, woefully unprepared by either design or negligence, have ensured by their failures that many more will die of this virus. In South Korea the government not only tracks each patient, but reports to the public exactly where that patient has been and the location of all current patients so that citizens can avoid contact with the virus. That is how containment is done by responsible government. The US policy is denial.

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Lila York; Exactly.

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Coronavirus has mutated into more aggressive disease, say scientists

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Accepted ArticleYanchao Li ORCID iD: 0000-0002-2884-9829 The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2 may be at least partially responsible for the respiratory failure of COVID-19 patients

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Our readers are the best.

I Quicklinked the interview.

Not saying I agree, and he has no direct evidence, but some things about the spontaneous generation of this virus don't hold up either.

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Scott, we just need to 1- follow the money and 2- remember that if it's a novel crisis, with a 51% chance of benefitting US imperial interests, 99% of the time it will bear the stamp - Made in USA. Harvard University waa doing genetic testing in Wuhan province for the past decade. The economic knockout punch to China in the midst of a trade war is just too coincidental and just too compelling. The prospect of blowback to the US is not enough to have deterred its implementation in China and Iran. After all, the US has been doing experiments on its own citizens for over 75 years. A good part of the reason for invading Vietnam was to field test chemical weapons without regard to its effects on its own troops. So it's not far-fetched to suspect that the usual foul play is at work here, except perhaps for its magnitude. In fact, most of my friends in Rome say the talk circulating in educated circles is that the COVID-19 is a US product. And these are not people prone to paranoia.

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News on possible cures here:

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from Germany protease inhibitor

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Colloidal silver stops the virus from attaching to human cells

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High dose Vitamin C infusions

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Corrupt former televangelist Jim Bakker was warned by the feds to stop selling silver as a cure because it is a fraudulent claim.

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Rob, naturopathic doctors have been treating HIV patients with colloidal silver for a decade. with good results. It is not and cannot be patented, and pharma has no way to rip off patients by selling it. I rest my case.Please read the research on this before you dismiss it.

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Rob, just because televangelist Jim Baker is a charlatan and a fraud and the Feds warned him to stop selling something that they can't control with patents, doesn't mean colloidal silver is bogus! I have used it myself and it stopped a terrible lingering respiratory infection in its tracks when nothing else I tried would help.

Thank you, @Lila York for reminding me about it! I have some always in my cabinet. Also if made right, and stored right in a dry, cool, dark place), colloidal silver keeps indefinitely in its pure and effective state, and you only need very small doses, making it inexpensive and long lasting when you buy a bottle.

Please do your research before throwing out something that is valuable and could save countless lives. I wouldn't trust the FDA as far as i could piss standing up. They want to lock down all natural and inexpensive solutions and make them unavailable to people with no other recourse how evil is that?!. More people die from their pharma drugs and vaccinations than ever do with natural and alternative remedies.

If Belief is a placebo, who cares if it works? I'm digging out my colloidal silver.

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You will want a concentrated version for this virus at least 500 parts per million. best is sunfoods at 1000 ppm. available at vitacost. buy it soon if you are interested. it may sell out soon.

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Interesting! Would you mind telling us how you use it? Do you diffuse it and at what ratio with water? Thanks.

You bet Big Pharma is hellbent on snuffing out any alternative treatment.

I've had miracles happen with alternatives....well, some snafus, too - need to know what you're doing!

I once mixed a Four Thieves essential oil version for a diffuser:

History of Four Thieves Vinegar - used for the plague - can be purchased at health food stores or online:

https://www.motherearthnews.com/natural-health/was-four-thieves-stolen-zbcz1712

"When researching the history of Four Thieves Vinegar I realized there are many more versions of this folklore than I expected. The reason there are so many versions is because the story itself dates back centuries. A popular recount is that during an outbreak of the plague in Marseilles around 1772, four robbers ransacked the sick and dying. These four thieves, even though exposed to the plague, didn't fall sick because they used a medicated vinegar topically. They were eventually caught and in exchange for leniency by the court they shared their prophylactic recipe which became known as Marseilles Vinegar and also Four Thieves Vinegar. The use of protective medicinal vinegars dates back even further to the 14th century bubonic plague; I'm sure these four opportunistic criminals didn't come up with the bright idea all on their own."

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With the strongest formulation, 6 drops into a small amount of water and drink it. safe to take higher doses or more frequently than once per day if you are sick. oregano oil, diluted 3 parts olive oil to one part oregano oil will also kill any virus if caught early. zinc acetate lozenges do the same. no harm keeping these treatments available at home in case they are needed. they have all worked for me for many years.

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Thanks, Lila much appreciated.

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I keep a couple of bottles on hand in case of an emergency, but have not had to use it yet. Vitamin C, garlic (raw, bite off tiny bits and chew slowly for chest cold) and EMF hygiene are my trusty standbys.

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Never mind China, look to the US for the next big coronavirus crisis

  • Yonden Lhatoo contrasts what China has done to contain the Covid-19 epidemic with how little the US is doing, warning that American complacency may turn out to be the real threat to the world

Submitted on Sunday, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:20:43 PM

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For those looking forward to a corona virus vaccine, India cut ties with the Gates Foundation for this reason:

http://le-blog-sam-la-touch.over-blog.com/2014/09/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47-500-cases-of-paralysis-death-nsnbc.html

Corona virus vaccine should be NOT BE MANDATORY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSX3mhUaQiY&feature=emb_logo

Respect for the Nuremberg Code should be fundamental for every country:

https://freepress.org/article/nuremberg-code-violations-big-pharma

Best interest in public safety?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79UlXgoQwGk&t=65s

Really Dr. Schuchat - what willful ignorance on the part of the CDC!

.facebook.com/groups/VaccineInjuryStories/

Which leads us to questioning all 'info' disseminated from this agency on the corona virus.

Wondering how the corona CRISPR vaccine will work out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stYz4lRwGPM&t=510s

Submitted on Sunday, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:44:24 PM

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I have shared with this community what information I have access to. Anyone who wishes to ignore it or refute it is welcome to. Each of us must make our own decisions on how we respond.

good luck to all

Submitted on Sunday, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:47:50 PM

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You can take a horse to water, Lila. And the ASPCA will get you if you don't!

Submitted on Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:04:02 AM

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dog lovers beware! posted Feb. 29 in south china morning post:

yurl.com/s35sq3y

Submitted on Sunday, Mar 8, 2020 at 4:53:35 PM

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I've read there are 5 confirmed cases in Maricopa County and Pinal County, AZ, combined, but I have not seen anything out of the ordinary other than toilet paper being sold out. No long lines at Costco or anywhere yet. I heard that Costco is going to stop giving out samples, but they still were on Thursday.

trump is spreading deliberate lies and misinformation (like a virus) about this deadly disease to help him politically, which will lead to many deaths.

That's the same as someone deliberately poisoning a water supply.

Why has he not been charged with terrorism?

Submitted on Sunday, Mar 8, 2020 at 6:20:16 PM

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I'm feeling frequently the overwhelming preciousness of all my relationships with family and friends, birds, dogs, cats, water and sunlight.

Live like you only had this one day is a phrase that often seemed air-headed, like...who's going to pay the mortgage? Now it's resonating with me and I expect others. I've still got projects to complete, is on everyone's minds. Got to get it on.

We are feeling our common humanity at a scale across the world that is bound to be drawing us closer. It's more clear than usual, that to care for ourselves works best when we care about everybody. That's not the same as jumping on a cruise ship, care requires carefulness. We are staying home.

The economy is slowing, the airplane's are flying less and Mother Nature is taking a big breather. When this thing is over, shaking hands and giving hugs will seem so amazing. I've been reminded to notice life, it sort of sparkles!

Submitted on Monday, Mar 9, 2020 at 12:49:40 AM

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This is an engineered bio-weapon inserted into the public to attack Trumps booming economy. Its the Deep State/DEMs only hope at this point. Unfortunately for them, but good for humanity, is that the hyped up virus is not that serious. Like a bad flu. Things will soon be back to normal. I recommend buying stocks at the lower prices the bargain won't last long.

Submitted on Monday, Mar 9, 2020 at 1:09:01 PM

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To give some idea of the stunning, almost unbelievable, amount of incompetence and disorganization that is today's fractured over-burdened healthcare system, read how one woman's corona virus scare was handled, from the NY Times (may be behind a paywall).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/opinion/coronavirus-testing-new-york.html

With processing like this, we really can have no confidence in knowing the extent of infection, the rate of serious disease, or even deaths from the COVID-19 virus, or what the rate will be a week or a month from now in the U.S.

Submitted on Monday, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:05:12 PM

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Rob, thank you for giving us this chance to bounce ideas off each other and learn.

Submitted on Wednesday, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:05:40 AM

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