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The Other Subject of Trump's Call to the Ukraine - the DNC server

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The NY Times has helpfully published the entire unclassified (by the president) memo of Trump's call to the Ukraine. They even highlighted certain passages they felt are important.

Here is the 3rd passage highlighted:

(S/NF) The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it

Note there is no mention of Biden anywhere in this paragraph. In fact, up to this point in the call, at least in this memo, there is no mention at all of Joe Biden or his son, Hunter.

Yet the Times, in their sidebar, interprets this section of the call thusly:

3 Mr. Trump said Attorney General William P. Barr would call the Ukrainian president about another investigation. Mr. Trump appears to be referencing an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory pushed by Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, that Ukraine had some involvement in the emails stolen from Democratic National Committee.

This is a strange redirection to a very material couple of points by the president. Trump is referring to the DNC server (Hillary Clinton had a separate server with her emails on it too, but that does not seem to be the one in question here) and to Crowdstrike, which did research for both the Democratic National Committee, first, and then the Republican National Committee. If the server did indeed wind up in war-torn Ukraine, especially back shortly after the 2016 hack (which many, including jailed Julian Assange and The Nation magazine, believe was really a leak by an insider), it would be both curious and alarming. Why hasn't the Times, or any media outlet, drawn attention to this aspect, choosing instead to frame the story about Biden and his son?

Indeed, the president does not bring up Biden until much later in the conversation:

The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

Trump clearly refers to "The other thing," meaning Joe and Hunter Biden. They are separate topics to Trump. Why are they being treated as if it was the same topic? Why is only Biden and his son fair game for news coverage, and now, impeachment proceedings?

I wrote to the NY Times Reader Center about this in the online form for that purpose. The Times states explicitly that, due to the volume of mail they receive, I should not expect an answer (it apparently doesn't matter that I've been a paid subscriber since they started charging for access nearly a decade ago). It'll be interesting to see if they cover this additional aspect in future articles. Someone should. The fate of the DNC server has been a nagging mystery ever since the investigation of it. If it is truly in the Ukraine, or even if the president had reason to think it was, it should raise a number of questions, some of which may be even more important to the future of the country than the Biden affair, if there even is one.

 

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The Times is hopelessly corrupt, bought and paid for by corporations and by Israel. You will never get a truthful account of anything in that newspaper. don't even try.

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The Times is just the clearest example, and, still, the supposed Newspaper of Record. So, it deserves to be called out, especially when it so flagrantly misinterpreted a passage like this. But no other media to my knowledge has reported on the DNC and Crowdstrike reference either. A telling omission that cuts through all MSM.

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Be patient.... the server is the key to all the other evidence of this 'deal-make' mobster's contempt for the Constitution

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Wow. You are so knowledgable about corruption, and so willing to state your opinion as fact, to de-rail truth.

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Ms. Schwarz - your comments have been hostile to several readers. not just me. inappropriate, unnecessary and offensive. If you want to drive readers - and in my case, contributors - from this site, you are succeeding.

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I gave you a "thumbs up" because I agree with your first sentence. As for the second sentence, I don't think you should feel any reason to leave the site and I certainly hope it was an exaggeration of your plans.

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Lila, You are right about the Times' total lack of credibility. That is a matter of record....pun intended. But it should also be mentioned that the corruption extends to our entire government, including those charged with the duty of investigating crimes. The FBI and other agencies with jurisdiction over the farce called Russiagate failed to take possession of Hillary Clinton's server (the one she used to evade access to emails dealing with sensitive matters of state). Contrary to what is commonly believed, Clinton committed a serious crime by taking those actions. But those crimes were not even seriously investigated because she is one of the privileged elites who are given passes from any such investigations. I want all serious crimes investigated, regardless of who commits them. The other server which Trump may have referred to is the one from which the DNC claimed (falsely, from all available credible evidence) the Russiagate bad guys hacked the emails and other information. And the legion of U.S. intelligence agents also failed to take possession of that server. What is the point? The point is that these very serious matters are not properly or seriously investigated because the objective is not to obtain the truty but to carry out whatever political objective the prominent political tribe wishes to achieve. Russiagate has been shown to be the farce and fraud it is. I have read the transcript of the Trump/Zelensky telephone call. As pointed out by this article the Times has mischaracterized that call. Although the matter may warrant investigation I do not think a case for impeachment can be successful based on that evidence alone. The fact is that the Biden deal reeks of probable corruption and warrants investigation. There is no clear tie between the brief discussion, in vague terms, of U.S. financial support of Ukaine and Trump's request that the smelly Biden deal be further investigated. A good lawyer can make Trump look good even if he did have a bad purpose in mind in making the requests. My prediction is that the impeachment of Trump will be a political disaster for the Democrats unless there is other, more credible, evidence presented, perhaps by the whistleblower, whose career is now destroyed by the New York Times.

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I agree with your entire statement. By my estimation HRC is guilty is hundreds of acts of treason.flat out treason. That she has not been prosecuted tells all Americans that there is no rule of law in the United States. I will add one you omitted - Seth Rich was murdered, likely by the Clinton hit men. again, no investigation at all. So a traitor and a serial killer is allowed to not only go free, but allowed to speak for an entire political party as though she had authority and credibility. Without law, there is no country. just a wasteland of corruption. And that is all that is left of America.

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Agreed.Interesting also how the Trump administration is going after Assange,the revelator of DNC lawlessness.

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And here is the NY Times response, in an article about the DNC server, Crowdstrike, and the Ukraine.

Their analysis leaves many questions open that were opened in Trump's call.

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I count 5 flat out lies in that article. Unless one reads consortium news on a daily basis, one would have no way of knowing that. As I said, the 'paper of record" has become a propaganda sheet and not worth anyone's time.

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In that response by the NYT, it appears that their main point against Trump and the Justice Department is, ït's not clear what they would find in the Ukraine to investigate" (paraphrased: I didn't copy it word for word). My question: why should the Justice Dept. not be free to ask whatever questions they want?

And for those who contend Trump et. al. were trying to hide what they were asking:

tter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1178790952196087808

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The WaPo had an interesting story about Hunter Biden today: The gas tycoon and the vice president's son: The story of Hunter Biden's foray into Ukraine.

Also here is James Risen's story from Dec 2015: Joe Biden, His Son and the Case Against a Ukrainian Oligarch.

Risen's explanation on Democracy Now of his 2015 article is quite different than his article.

Hunter Biden got paid $50k a month to sit on a board that met twice a year. That is $300k a meeting.

Being on the Board of Directors of a company even in the US is basically an honorarium; although in theory they are supposed to be the ones who hire the management of the company for the benefit of stockholders.

The problem of getting to the root of the corruption in Ukraine and what is called "Russiagate" is that the American people have a low tolerance for depth, and the media focuses on the shallow which they can graspe.

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