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Why are Donald Trump's die-hard followers so fanatically steadfast in their support for such a flawed man? Because they are just like him, and his presidency validates their own distorted values and myopic view of the world.

"Others" have been closing in on them. Foreigners are encroaching on their territory by way of physical space, race, religion, language and lifestyle. Fear is the common thread. But now, after years of feeling repressed and persecuted for their beliefs and attitudes, they have at last been set free to reveal what they really think about their "elitist" jailers.

Thus, Trump is their spokesman hero, a liberator who perfectly articulates everything they had to keep bottled up and hidden away. He alone has freed them from their social and political dungeon. They have, in effect, connected their psychic wellbeing and self-worth to one person, a savior they would follow to the gates of perdition.

Trump wasn't that far off the mark when saying he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and people would still love him. Why? Because without Trump they simply would not be.

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I wonder if many of the so-called Christians realize that Trump probably could be viewed as an anti-Christ. click here


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Makes ya wonder? All we have to do to see the beasts of Daniel and Revelations is to look at the establishment.

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Never! Hypocrisy thy name is "Evangelical". What a shameless sell-out. They've lost their moral compass and all credibility (if they ever had any to begin with). Thanks for your comment, Burl.

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Lately, while in an external state of mind, I've wondered whether unpleasant odors exist in heaven, or is the place completely devoid of life?

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We are just flying home on this melting pot we were thrown down to as Riders on the Storm sings. There the lunatics are not in charge, and today's leaders my end up the septic workers.

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I know of a few people who will never find out. Amen! Thanks for your comment Joseph.

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The market is booming unemployment is down, black unemployment is at historical lows, the biggest wage gains are in the lowest earning quintile, there's a new tax plan,illegal immigration is way down, there is a North Korea deal on the horizon. Our trade relationship with China tariffs and intellectual property policy being reexamined, the US reduced its carbon footprint for three years in a row, last year more than any country on earth.

(click here This is an article from Die Welt, a German publication, which says in real numbers the US led the world in real reduction of carbon footprint.)

And in the generic polls, daily, more and more people disagree with you.

Miserable and disgruntled, in spite of all evidence, is not a good political strategy. It takes a cultic sort of mind set.

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Is all that life is about is the love of money that we keep hearing about? I think not. I believe we need to get to a brotherhood of mankind learning to share all of the world.

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Amen Michael!

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Looks like your drinking the cool-aid, Don. A booming market is enriching those who are already wealthy, while leaving the other 1% lagging behind. Unemployment my be down, but many are taking jobs at lower pay rate than they had before. The number of working poor is rising steadily, with people working 2 and even 3 jobs. The inequality between CEO pay and employee pay is at an all-time high. Many in business are fearful of the long range effects of tariffs. Trump doesn't know the first thing about dealing with a country like North Korea, and is treating the opportunity like he does his White House reality show - who gets kicked off next?. And he can't take credit for reduced carbon emissions which are the result of regulations that he and Pruitt are now dismantling. Polls go up and down, depending on what's happening. Trump's are still historically low. All in all, I'm comfortable with my evidence, which is not dependent on sources that share Trump's values and beliefs.

Miserable? No. Disgruntled? Sure. A cultic sort of mind set? Surely you're not serious.

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Your broad strokes and generalizations would require too many words to rebut individually. But, here's one point.

After WWII the US was a world power, in the 60's we produced 60% of the worlds products. We subsidized other countries so that they would be able to buy some of our products. The US now produces 20%. The old structures of tariffs remain. Cars from China or Europe have a 2.5% tariff, American produced cars are charged 25% tariff by China, 10% by Europe.

In order to be a member of the WTO there are certain requirements for a nation to qualify. China has violated those standards:

It overtly manipulates its currency.

The working conditions in China violates international standards.

It de facto nationalizes its industries by loaning money to businesses without any demands for repayment.

It has consistently violated intellectual property protection to the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars.

Under NAFTA, products from Mexico are free from tariffs. Europe bypasses tariffs by bringing products into the US through Mexico.

In order to confront those inequities, it is indeed frightening, however to not confront them leads to the continued impoverishment of the middle class that you decry.

Your generalities about the economy are dead wrong and describe the situation that has been going on for decades. It is turning.

Trump has made better progress with North Korea than ever before. Your lack of credibility in your analysis and prediction, shows in your use of opinion instead of data.

I think the picture you forward is miserable and resentful, hence my branding of your cult. Surely I am serious.

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Broad strokes and generalizations aside, what we have here is an example of today's political reality. We see the situation from two different perspectives that offer little chance of mutual agreement. I can agree to disagree. However, I find that most people in your camp are unwilling to even go that far.


I have no desire to debate politics. That was not the purpose for posting the article. My intent was to point out the similarities that I see between Trump and his core followers and that of a cult. I define "cult" as a group of psychologically vulterable individuals that devotes itself so completely to a single leader that the loss of the leader leaves them emotionally devastated, and a danger to themselves and others. For that reason I would not include myself as a member of any such group.


I'm sorry you feel it necessary to impugn my credibility. The article was only my opinion, based on personal analysis.


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Okay, I didn't think I was impugning your credibility. What I believe is that you were impugning motive to "Trump supporters" as if they were a monolithic group with a set of psychological characteristics. I know you weren't describing me and there are many people in the almost 50% who voted for him who have no similarity with what you were describing.

By "core" followers, you mean people who support Trump with cultic personalities, I got the impression that because of Trump's now close to 50% approval rating, you would claim that the population of the US is made up of at least a couple of hundred million cultists.

Cultic personalities are evidenced in every group, Your description of a group of psychologically vulnerable individuals that devotes itself so completely to a single leader that the loss of the leader leaves them emotionally devastated reminds me of the very clear emotional devastation evident at Democratic Campaign Headquarters the evening of Hillary's loss.

You are not describing accurately what is happening, no matter how morally superior your opinions make you feel.

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"Your lack of credibility", is how it was worded. Now it's "morally superior". Does it make you feel better to describe me that way? Oh well. You get the last word.


Let me end this discussion by just saying - Peace and Love brother.

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"No. "to impugn my credibility" is the quote from your reply to me. You don't even bother to pay attention to yourself. You are completely numb to how narrow-minded and insulting is your the dismissal of the motives of some very fine people. You might notice that my point is that we are neither that evil or stupid as you imagine. You are attacking me, not I you. Excuse me, but you are taking my comment, that I am not evil or stupid, as impugning your credibility. Then you take one last parting volley and describe it as me getting the last word. No! Now, this is me getting the last word.

Peace and love. No, you are stupid. Add that to morally superior, miserable and disgruntled.

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Thank you.

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IT'S TRUMP'S ECONOMY NOW

Failing NYT 1/28/2018

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If Mr. Trump had continued Mr. Obama's policies, one might not credit him for today's strong economy. But Mr. Trump has begun to systematically overturn Obama policies on taxes, regulations, energy, climate change, net neutrality, budget priorities and health care -- as well as replacing Janet Yellen as chairwoman of the Federal Reserve. Trumponomics is Obamanomics in reverse.

Then there is the cheerful news for the Rust Belt areas of the country: Blue-collar manufacturing, construction and mining jobs have risen by almost half a million in just one year.

Ultimately, the most important statistical indicator for Mr. Trump will be wages for middle-income workers. They've been flat in real terms for 15 years, which more than anything explains the populist rebellion in 2016. So far, wages and salaries haven't bumped up much, but we are betting that the tax cut will bring increased investment and a supertight job market with intense competition for workers leading to higher pay. This is already starting to happen at Walmart and other companies, and in fast-growing cities like Nashville and San Francisco.

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You cite an article by a Trump propagandist working at a right-wing think tank who ignores the President's problem with basic decency to favor what he sees as the only issue that counts - making money.

I refer you to an article by a "real" Republican with a genuine conservative record.

What I don't understand is why you're you sending this to someone you you consider to be "stupid".

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The article by the "real republican" is by a Bush republican, that group that was obliterated by the Trump candidacy. I would like to check out your previous articles where you described the Bush's as decent and with the proper values.

The times article is a refutation of your claims about the employment record, and the decency issue, in Frum's article, is a different argument. That's a common tactic, to spread the focus to different issues. Also, you attempt to extend Frum's point about decency to support your clam that it's about greed. Frum doesn't mention that. Write an article about that, and then we'll kick it around.

Then your claim that the rosy employment numbers are just a continuation of a trend started by Obama is a very convincing refutation of your original claim that the employment figures were not really rosy.

Trump said he would bring back jobs, Obama said,"Those jobs aren't coming back. What are you going to use, a magic wand?" So, you are claiming that the growth in the economy was not caused by the person who said it would happen, and was caused by the person who said it wouldn't?

Other people are reading this, it's not just about you, I'm trying to diminish the influence of stupid ideas.

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Thank you.

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You don't know what to do. Do you?

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As previously stated, I have no desire to debate politics or economic policy. That was not the subject of the article. My intent was to point out the similarities that I see between fanatical Trump followers (just the fanatics, not all) and cults. You want to divert the discussion into an area that has nothing to do with the topic.

This is in keeping with other comments you've made that mimic what Mr. Trump does in his speeches and tweets - obfuscation, diversion, tossing out insults, making everything about himself, insisting it's he who is being attacked instead of the other way around. Well done! You've mastered the art of word as weapon.

And by the way, I quote you in your own words, "You are stupid". That is what you said, and that is just about me. So don't try denying it wasn't what you said. Then again it's what that other guy would do.

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Trump is just continuing the trend started long ago by Obama.

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thank you for refuting don curry with facts.i see no evidence of wages going up to any level to compete with inflation while CEO salaries do keep going up.And the income tax curry talks about is a giveaway to the rich,ours expires in 10 years and in the mean time we will be paying higher taxes for levies for schools and crumbling infrastructure because of trumps tax giveaways to the rich.the tariffs on other countries is in limbo with trump now promising to put them on at a later time.With trump waffling so much we may never see them.meanwhile his conservative supreme court and judge have made rulings to lower wages not raise them.talk about a kool aid drinker thats don curry

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I have a question. What do you think Kool aid drinker means? I always thought that it came from the book "The Electric Kool -Aid acid test" where they would weed out narcotics officers by tripping with everyone who was new. No One could stand an acid trip if they had a hostile hidden agenda. So when someone has drank the kool-aid, they are on in with the in-crowd of a particular view. And I am tripped out and hallucinating?

The other view that most people I talk to say is that it is about Jim Jones who poisoned his followers in South America and a kool-aid drinker was a person who is so committed to a following that they poison themselves. What do you say?

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Thanks for the comment and support.

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"U.S. Leapfrogs Singapore, Hong Kong to Win World's Most Competitive Economy"

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The U.S. dethroned Hong Kong to retake first place among the world's most competitive economies, thanks to faster economic growth and a supportive atmosphere for scientific and technological innovation, according to annual rankings by the Switzerland-based IMD World Competitiveness Center.

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See the video Is the Trump Presidency a Religious Cult? by Reza Aslan.

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thing that he glossed over in the video was:

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"Exit polls suggest that in the past 12 presidential elections , the Republican candidate won only about 10 percent of the black vote, on average; the Democrat averaged 87 percent."

In this video he said that 67% of black evangelicals voted for Hilary. That means around 30% of Black evangelicals swung their vote over to Trump, tripling their traditional support for a Republican. And these are exit polls, how many who voted for Trump in the booth would keep it to themselves.

And these were people who managed to break out of their culture and community and see past the propaganda stream, and vote for something they thought was needed. The White Christian fundamentalists were at their normal level. So, if there is a unique statistical racial component to the Trump vote it would be the large increase of Black Christian fundamentalist support.

Then for the rest of the video, one might, more properly substitute Christian fundamentalists when he harps WHITE Christian fundamentalists.

If his claim, of white racism as the cause of White and Black Christian fundamentalist support of Trump, is false, then thinking person might wonder what the real reason is. I'm sure the narrator will be sure that it is because they are just not as smart as him.

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Thanks Don - he makes a good exposition of the problem that someone like Trump poses. Savior vs. martyr - What happens if the cult's leader is removed? That's what concerns me the most.

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The cult of America.


Patriotic American citizens are now a cult!


I am a proud member of a cult!

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It's been going on much longer than Chump. I see many people proud of the blood of millions of innocent human beings on America's hands. Then they say someone kneeling at a football game disrespects the flag.

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Liberty University has a movie that promotes the idea that Trump's presidency fulfills Biblical prophecy. Trump was sent by God!


http://act.faithfulamerica.org/sign/trump_prophecy/

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Wow! Didn't think even they'd go that far. Encouraging that students and alumni aren't on board.

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The church wants the authoritarian figure that they have created of GOD. I like to spell him dog.

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Yes, many are fanatics and it is a cult now.

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