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Scare-Mongering is the Only Thing Trump and Republicans Have Got

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Here it is. See for yourself the terrifying "caravan" advancing through Mexico from Honduras, set to "invade" the US, bringing, according to President Trump and the reactionary media that support him, "rapists, killers, Arab terrorists, and diseases."

This "caravan," according to a report in the UK newspaper the Independent , is actually an assemblage of several thousand desperately poor Hondurans whose country, besides being one of the poorest in Latin America, is beset by a dictatorial government installed by a US-backed military coup that ousted a popularly elected progressive president back in 2009. It is a society that is wracked by drug-related violence and gangs and military thugs, and that has never really recovered from having been commandeered as a base by the US for covert warfare against neighboring Sandinista-ruled Nicaragua.

The Independent says this supposedly threatening throng of refugees is actually composed of mostly young men and women traveling by foot with young children, many of them barefoot, or in rickety strollers -- people who have banded together for protection as they travel northward towards the southern US border through countries like Guatemala and especially Mexico that are hostile towards them.

The very term "caravan" is being deliberately used to mislead. It's early use was of course to describe travelers in the desert -- a subtle suggestion that these desperate Latinos might be Arabs, a group that evokes irrational fear among some in the US ever since 9-11. But this is no caravan. There are no vehicles or pack animals. It's just a mass of people trudging by foot to the US border to present themselves as refugees"

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It seems like to me that the fear campaign is running the other way. For instance a writer on this website claimed that the "Civil War, Pearl Harbor, 1960's assassinations, Vietnam, 9/11, and 2017 Charlottesville hate crimes" were equivalent.

1 person was killed in Charlottesville and in the others, 681,623 people died.

On CNN and MSNBC they make constant reference to Kristallnacht, the KKK, and other horrors as the equivalent of some tweet or statement by the president.

It seems like the opposition to Trump is in fact a fear campaign. You choosing the caravan, (in fact, the name "caravan" was their description "Caravan for freedom") as somehow appealing to fear, doesn't seem to me very scary. You're afraid of something in this scenario, not me.

I would like it if they presented themselves and applied for refugee status. If they did that there would be no reason for border guards. And, if the army was down there in full force keeping anyone from sneaking in illegally, they would still have the same right to present themselves at the border and apply for refugee status. It's US law. Are you saying they should not be prevented from breaking the law?

And what is it that you say I am afraid of?

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Leaping from "someone" on OpEd News writing an article, and a report on CNN and/or MSNBC making comparisons between the mass shooting in a Synagogue and racist comments by the President and Krystalnacht, to saying that "the left" in the US conducting a fear campaign just like Trump and the right is a false comparison. Trump and the Right are vilifying a whole class of people: dark-skinned Latinos, and accusing them as a group of being rapists, killers, drug-dealers and "invaders" of our White Nation. The critics on the Democratic (not the left) side you mention are accusing Trump and his most crazed right-wing backers -- not a class of people, not all whites, not even all Republicans -- of being racists and even murderous racists. That's a huge difference. One is pure vicious racism that provokes and encourages violence. The other is factually correct criticism. Democrats and those of us on the left would be remiss and even irresponsible not to criticize what Trump is saying and what some of his most insane right-wing followers are actually doing.


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You went from saying that Trump was fear mongering, to a vitriolic rant about how horrid Trump and his crazed right wing backers, a pile of conflation and misrepresentation. It seems like to me that you have heaped on the fear. When you go out in the streets, where are these monsters? How many people in the Supermarket or convenience store are these creatures of this demonic evilness?

You started talking about the caravan. I ask you what is wrong with the intended response of the administration, and ask you what is the right response. I ask you, where is the fear?

And you loose a cascade of fear messages and attributions drawn from a score of unrelated events and interpretations. The source of the fear messages is you, in, at least, this situation.

If in this election if there is a Democratic loss, your ilk will be frozen in horror, there will be riots in the streets, and everybody else will get up in the morning and go to work, working toward a thriving, successful nation. And, if there is a Democratic gain that same other group will get up and go to work working toward a thriving successful nation, with no protests.

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Your are clearly suffering from some kind of paranoid derangement. If the Democrats lose this, I will attribute it to the lousy campaign they ran, with way too much focus on Russiagate all year, and to the effort, often successful, by the party leadership to keep more leftist candidates from winning their primaries and pushing really progressive issues like universal Medicare covering everyone and making college free to all who can get admitted to public institutions. There will be no riots in the streets" and I certainly, not a Democrat, will not be "frozen in horror," but will continue writing about the horrors of Trump's rule, the hypocrisy of the Republicans in Congress, and the pathetic Democrats. But you seriously need help if you expect violence after a Republican victory on Election Day. Get it. You might qualify for Medicaid assistance or, if you're older, Medicare coverage.


I"ll leave further comments on your bizarre rant to other readers.


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It seems to use the Democratic Party as the basis of any countervailing force against Trump is at best problematic.

If I for one minute believed the Democrats represented workers, immigrants (this caravan), the rights of those disenfranchised and not the elite privilege and corporate power, and actually power for the Dem. Party, I could follow your line of reasoning.

Though I find your posts mostly compelling and well conceived, the mere thought that the Dems worst fault is mishandling elections, is, with all due respect, delusional.

While there is some progressive chatter, the DP does not give itself over to "leftists" who, it seems they seem to see as greater enemies to their power than the Republican Party (and for that matter Donald Trump).

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Again I go back to the question that created the word salad rant.

You started talking about the caravan. I ask you what is wrong with the intended response of the administration, and ask you what is the right response. I ask you, where is the fear?

This website has a policy against ad hominem attacks. read everything I said. I talk about what you said, you claim to have some insight into my sanity.

FOr the future facts, what happens will reveal whose reality filter is correct. ANd I do think the Democrats are in for a bad shock, not because anything bad is happening, it's all their projection.

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It's not a "caravan" first of all. It's a long march by families and individuals desperate to get away from a dreadful gang-ridden, drug-driven dictatorship where murder is common and intimidation and threats the normal day's fare, courtesy of US meddling and a US backed coup that ousted a popular elected president. There's no "invasion." And border guards at the Mexican border, who routinely handle 2000 immigrants per day, can handle 4000 without that much trouble.


What would I do? I'd have them all interviewed and give them hearing dates for an immigration judge. That's what they deserve if they are claiming asylum.


They do not deserve to be labeled rapists and killers and to have the military sicced on them by a political demagogue looking desperately for votes.


Get a grip.


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PS I didn't call you a name. I called you paranoid for imaging revolting violent liberals if Republicans win on Tuesday.


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First off you say:

"It's not a "caravan" first of all. It's a long march by families and individuals desperate to get away from a dreadful.."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/caravan

Miriam Webster says in its first definition:

"a company of travelers on a journey through desert or hostile regions."

So, the fact that you are threatened or offended by the proper use of the English language sets the standard for the rest of your argument. You can extract hate messages from any word you want.

The definition of invasion:

"an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity."

Again, that pesky English language.

The rapist comment comes from Trump's first announcement for president. Amnesty international states that on these trips up from Central America 60-80% of the women are raped on the trip. It is so expected that, before going, women are advised to be on birth control. So, are you claiming that those aren't rapists committing those rapes, or maybe its Martians that drop down into the caravan. These caravans are also a breeding ground for human trafficking Amnesty International reports.

At the Mexican border the Mexican military attempted to process them and were overwhelmed. They chose to retreat from the people throwing rocks rather than do what was necessary to stop them. Besides, they weren't going to be Mexico's problem they were on the way to the US.

As to what you and I think should be done, we are in agreement, "we need to have them all interviewed and give them hearing dates for an immigration judge. That's what they deserve if they are claiming asylum."

The military is being "sicked" on them to prevent them from crossing into the country the same way they entered Mexico. The presence of the Military, in no way, prevents them from declaring themselves refugees and applying for asylum.

There are plans for a tent city to respond to the separation of families issue.

The hatred and racism that you detect is promoted and projected as a desperate ploy for votes.

You get a grip! (see ms nan's comment below)

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Nobody I know is saying this is wrong. People don't have a right to just come to the US, or to any country, and make it home. However, international law recognizes the need for countries to accept people who have a legitimate reason for seeking asylum. Those reasons typically are natural disasters in their home country, war or civil war, government repression and threats to person or family, and some specific issues like fear of genital mutilation by women in countries that do that, as in parts of Africa, or conscription of children into military service, slavery or sex trafficking. What that means is that when a refugee enters the country, even illegally, and seeks asulum, they need to be given a legitimate hearing in a court of law. They cannot legally be simply turned away or arrested and sent home. Children are special cases requiring even more consideration. That's humane, moral, ethical and also legal. What Trump wants to do (and to some extent what Obama did too,) was and is to skip the legal niceties. Both have done this for purely political reasons, not because it's right.


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They need to enter legally. If they did there would be no problem. Catch and release does not work when they don't return for their court date.


And yes, the children are special cases. All the more reason for them to enter legally. Many of the children that have been caught are being trafficked. A huge problem. Not all are coming with their parents, despite what the media would have you believe. Or should we say, what the media ignores, because it does not fit their agenda.

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Indeed, our open borders encourage and permit child and human trafficking. Our open borders also are an invitation to terrorists to enter our country.


Our government makes US citizens get radiated or body searched when they simply want to fly. The fact that terrorists can easily enter our country through our open borders conveniently seems to be off the democrats' radar. Interesting.


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There is no "open border." That's a right wing lie and talking point.


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There is no "open border." That's a right wing lie and talking point. - DL

Then let's build a wall to make this clear to the migrants heading north with the intention of entering this country illegally.

If 'open borders' is a right wing myth; then why are the democrats promoting 'open borders'. Even Rob Kall wrote an article promoting 'open borders'. Last I checked; Rob Kall is not 'right wing'.

The right wing/left wing paradigm has been fading into non-existence for many years now. It's the globalists vs. the people. The democrats chose the globalist agenda; the MSM narrative. Yet they don't seem to be much concerned with the hundreds of thousands of homeless Americans. They just want to bring in more poor people for votes. The reality of human (most especially children in this case) trafficking also seem to be escaping their concern and attention.

Please research the reasons granted to migrants/immigrants for Amnesty. It does not include economic reasons.

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The basic problem is this. Our economy is imploding. We do not have enough jobs and resources to take care of our own citizens. We have enough illegal and legal aliens as it is. We simple can not take in anyone else. Regardless of where they are coming from.

We need to take care of ourselves first.

And yes stay out of the affairs of other countries.


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In 2017, there were over 1/2 million homeless Americans. Yet this seems to be of very little concern to the people who are advocating taking in even more people with our open borders.

There was actually a time when Democrats cared about the downtrodden; that is the downtrodden in our own country. Those days are long gone. Now it's about the vote; and if you mention that our economy, our infrastructure and our health care system are already overwhelmed and failing; then the democrats play the race card and call people with common sense 'racists', when everyone knows that it has nothing to do with race.

Let's take care of our own first. There are too many Americans in need. The people/political entities who are calling for open borders conveniently put the needs of Americans out of mind. It's a sad and sinister situation.

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