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Editor's note: The U.S. Senate on Thursday confirmed a former oil and mining industry lobbyist as secretary of the interior. President Donald Trump's nomination of David Bernhardt, a government official during the George W. Bush administration, easily survived challenges by environmentally minded senators and others. It came amid rapidly mounting scientific evidence that global warming is an existential threat to huge numbers of species, including Homo sapiens.

In the reposted column below, first published on Truthdig on Aug. 19, 2018, Chris Hedges writes about climate change and interviews a scientist who is among the many warning about what they call the monumental damage that human-made emissions are causing to the atmosphere and the planet. Hedges will return with a new column next Monday.

The spectacular rise of human civilization -- its agrarian societies, cities, states, empires and industrial and technological advances ranging from irrigation and the use of metals to nuclear fusion -- took place during the last 10,000 years, after the last ice age. Much of North America was buried, before the ice retreated, under sheets eight times the height of the Empire State Building. This tiny span of time on a planet that is 4.5 billion years old is known as the Holocene Age. It now appears to be coming to an end with the refusal of our species to significantly curb the carbon emissions and pollutants that might cause human extinction. The human-induced change to the ecosystem, at least for many thousands of years, will probably make the biosphere inhospitable to most forms of life.

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The planet is transitioning under our onslaught to a new era called the Anthropocene. This era is the product of violent conquest, warfare, slavery, genocide and the Industrial Revolution, which began about 200 years ago and saw humans start to burn a hundred million years of sunlight stored in the form of coal and petroleum. The numbers of humans climbed to over 7 billion. Air, water, ice and rock, which are interdependent, changed. Temperatures climbed. The Anthropocene, for humans and most other species, will most likely conclude with extinction or a massive die-off, as well as climate conditions that will preclude most known life forms. We engineered our march toward collective suicide although global warming was first identified in 1896 by the Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius.

The failure to act to ameliorate global warming exposes the myth of human progress and the illusion that we are rational creatures. We ignore the wisdom of the past and the stark scientific facts before us. We are entranced by electronic hallucinations and burlesque acts, including those emanating from the centers of power, and this ensures our doom. Speak this unpleasant truth and you are condemned by much of society. The mania for hope and magical thinking is as seductive in the Industrial Age as it was in pre-modern societies.

Ate and Nemesis were minor deities who were evoked in ancient Greek drama. Those infected with hubris, the Greeks warned, lost touch with the sacred, believed they could defy fate, or fortuna, and abandoned humility and virtue. They thought of themselves as gods. Their hubris blinded them to human limits and led them to carry out acts of suicidal folly, embodied in the god Ate. This provoked the wrath of the other gods. Divine retribution, in the form of Nemesis, led to tragedy and death and then restored balance and order, once those poisoned with hubris were eradicated. "Too late, too late you see the path of wisdom," the Chorus in the play "Antigone" tells Creon, ruler of Thebes, whose family has died because of his hubris.

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"We're probably not the first time there's been a civilization in the universe," Adam Frank, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester and the author of "Light of the Stars: Alien Worlds and the Fate of the Earth," told me when we met in New York.

"The idea that we're destroying the planet gives us way too much credit," he went on. "Certainly, we're pushing the earth into a new era. If we look at the history of the biosphere, the history of life on earth, in the long run, the earth is just going to pick that up and do what is interesting for it. It will run new evolutionary experiments. We, on the other hand, may not be a part of that experiment."

Civilizations probably have risen elsewhere in the universe, developed complex societies and then died because of their own technological advances. Every star in the night sky is believed to be circled by planets, some 10 billion trillion of which astronomers such as Frank Drake estimate are hospitable to life.

"If you develop an industrial civilization like ours, the route is going to be the same," Adam Frank said. "You're going to have a hard time not triggering climate change."

Astronomers call the inevitable death of advanced civilizations across the universe "the great filter." Robin Hanson in the essay "The Great Filter -- Are We Almost Past It?" argues that advanced civilizations hit a wall or a barrier that makes continued existence impossible. The more that human societies evolve, according to Hanson, the more they become "energy intensive" and ensure their own obliteration. This is why, many astronomers theorize, we have not encountered other advanced civilizations in the universe. They destroyed themselves.

"For a civilization to destroy itself through nuclear war, it has to have certain emotional characteristics," Frank said. "You can imagine certain civilizations saying, 'I'm not building those [nuclear weapons]. Those are crazy.' But climate change, you can't get away from. If you build a civilization, you're using huge amounts of energy. The energy feeds back on the planet, and you're going to push yourself into a kind of Anthropocene. It's probably universal."

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Frank said that our inability to project ourselves into a future beyond our own life spans makes it hard for us to grasp the reality and consequences of severe climate change. Scenarios for dramatic climate change often center around the year 2100, when most adults living now will be dead. Although this projection may turn out to be overly optimistic given the accelerating rate of climate change, it allows societies to ignore -- because it is outside the life span of most living adults -- the slow-motion tsunami that is occurring.

"We think we're not a part of the biosphere -- that we're above it -- that we're special," Frank said. "We're not special."

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I think the article has the background correct, but the conclusion is wishy-washy.

"This is why we don't want to go past 2 degrees [Celsius] of climate change. We're scared that once you get past 2 degrees, the planet's own internal mechanisms kick in. The population comes down like a stone. A complete collapse. You lose the civilization entirely."

It is obvious to me that at 1.7 degrees rise already, 2 degrees being an airy, never tested number, and all of civilization's inertia that continues to burn fossil fuels at ever increasing rates, the question becomes "how much time left?" Months, years or decades? Certainly not centuries. I am organizing my life with the hope that we have a few years left.

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What he (Frank) doesn't discuss here is nuclear catastrophe and nuclear winter, which really could "kill" this planet and make it a dead planet. This COULD happen to earth, given the staggering amount of reactors and "weapons of mass destruction" all over the world - thanks primarily to the U.S. and Israel.

What a stupid selfish species mankind is. It's hard not to feel disgusted and immensely sad for all the species that will be extinct under our "watch," and all the children born to this.

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In an astronomy class in college I learned of the Drake equation. In 1961 Drake came up with an equation to basically give a reasonable idea of how many advanced civilizations might possibly exist right now in our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy; a way to get an idea of our chances of receiving broadcast signals from another advanced civilization.

The last variable in the equation is 'L'. L = Years a civilization remains detectable.

I remembered it being described as the length of time an advanced civilization is likely to survive before destroying itself.

If we, as an average example, are about to destroy ourselves only about 200 years after the start of the industrial revolution, no wonder we have not received contact from any other advanced civilization. That is of course, if there have ever been any. Given the billions of trillions or whatever it is, possibilities, I would place my money on yes, there have been many other advanced civilizations. And, they probably all destroy themselves pretty quickly.

Bye bye from our civilization on planet Earth to any others out there that might receive our last broadcasts.

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The Drake Equation is an attempt to encapsulate all the variables that would be relevant to establishing the number of intelligent civilizations that existed in the Milky Way galaxy and which were broadcasting radio signals at this particular point in time. The Drake Equation is composed of seven terms. The first six are used to compute the rate at which intelligent civilizations are being created and the final term identifies how long each lasts on average as a broadcasting civilization. It is worth stressing that the Drake Equation applies only to intelligent civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. It does not apply to civilizations in other galaxies because they are too distant to be able to detect their radio signals.

The Drake Equation is:
N = R * fp * ne * fl * fi * fc * L

where:
N = The number of broadcasting civilizations.
R = Average rate of formation of suitable stars (stars/year) in the Milky Way galaxy
fp = Fraction of stars that form planets
ne = Average number of habitable planets per star
fl = Fraction of habitable planets (ne) where life emerges
fi = Fraction of habitable planets with life where intelligent evolves
fc = Fraction of planets with intelligent life capable of interstellar communication
L = Years a civilization remains detectable

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I've long been intrigued with the Drake equation, since I learned of it decades ago. I have also long thought it needed regular updating, given all we've been learning since then. Given the 400 or so billion stars in our own galaxy, and the planets we've been finding, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that there must be other technological civilizations out there.

However, my doubts or general skepticisms are many. It strikes me as likely that technology is at odds with our supporting habitats and nature in general, at least based on what we see here on earth. The formation of our earth-moon system is amazingly unique, both in its nature and timing. The tilt of the earth is major for seasons to occur. The speed of rotation is critical--or has been--for life to evolve as it has here, with seasons that dramatically effect evolution. The wildly zig-zagging course of evolution itself has involved untold millions of variables, and is virtually non-repeatable. If other organisms, presumably vertebrates, have evolved elsewhere, the relatively short road to technology is also a tortured one. Last I heard, there were at least 20 genuses of Homo, with only sapiens making it to serious technology. The vast eras of bacterial life, that produced oxygen, was on the order of 3.5 billion years alone. How life actually started remains a mystery, that we have yet to understand. Many organisms are extremely intelligent, such as octopi, dolphins, chimps, and we continually learn more about the intelligence of other species.

I could go on for a long time, but that is a quick knee-jerk, that goes along with the rare earth hypothesis. Finding other life certainly seems likely, even in our own solar system, but the transition to be able to create innovative technology takes an unimaginably (to me anyway) long course of unique and intertwined events.

As many have said, it is a frightening thought to think we are all alone in this universe; and equally frightening thought to think otherwise.

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I understand what you say. But I also think it is reasonable to ask ... Yes, it seems incredibly impossible for an advanced civilization to come about given what you said. What are the chances? But, WE did it, WE are here on earth; WE were able to overcome seemingly impossible odds! So maybe, the odds are not as impossible as they seem. Given the hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way and the probability most, if not all have planets of which who knows how many are habitable? And maybe nature everywhere has an innate capability of being able to create intelligent life out of nearly nothing. And maybe the catalyst of just one single cell organism leading to the evolution of intelligence comes about more often then we think. It is after all, a pretty amazing universe we live in.

All right, it is time to get to my point: We are here and to me it seems to be a bit arrogant to think that WE are the only ones! I am not arrogant, so I am sticking to there being a helluva a lot of other life out there and we are not alone!! Just Look up!! I can see them looking at me! Maybe they are not looking at you so you think we are alone in the Milky Way ... Do you feel lonely? :)

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At the Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1950, physicist Enrico Fermi famously posed to his colleagues a simple question borne of complex math: 'Where are they?' This is known as the Fermi paradox.

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Daniel,you said you thought the Drake equation needed updating. You are not alone. There have been some who have proposed altering the equation:

The Drake equation is incredibly speculative, or, as astronomer Jill Tarter once said, it's "a wonderful way to organize our ignorance." It remains a puzzling problem.

However, a new paper from scientists at the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University provides an updated Drake equation, one that incorporates "realistic distributions of uncertainty" and "models of chemical and genetic transitions on paths to the origin of life." By doing so, the researchers say they dissolve the Fermi paradox and provide even more reason to think we're alone in the universe.

The updated equation effectively takes each variable and combines many historical estimates that scientists have used to create an uncertainty range, one that highlights just how much Universe Today:

"Many parameters are very uncertain given current knowledge. While we have learned a lot more about the astrophysical ones since Drake and Sagan in the 1960s, we are still very uncertain about the probability of life and intelligence. When people discuss the equation it is not uncommon to hear them say something like: 'this parameter is uncertain, but let's make a guess and remember that it is a guess', finally reaching a result that they admit is based on guesses.


"But this result will be stated as single number, and that anchors us to an *apparently* exact estimate when it should have a proper uncertainty range. This often leads to overconfidence, and worse, the Drake equation is very sensitive to bias: if you are hopeful a small nudge upwards in several uncertain estimates will give a hopeful result, and if you are a pessimist you can easily get a low result."


"If we instead try to review the scientific knowledge, things get even more extreme. This is because the probability of getting life and intelligence on a planet has an *extreme* uncertainty given what we know we cannot rule out that it happens nearly everywhere there is the right conditions, but we cannot rule out that it is astronomically rare. This leads to an even stronger uncertainty about the number of civilizations, drawing us to conclude that there is a fairly high likelihood that we are alone. However, we *also* conclude that we shouldn't be too surprised if we find intelligence!"


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Until you got to the Drake Equation part, I pretty much understood everything you wrote. Very interesting information. It seems this point in our history was inevitable from the start. Huh?

I especially understood this sentence:

"Bye bye from our civilization on planet Earth to any others out there that might receive our last broadcasts."

The Chinese curse of "May you live in interesting times" feels particularly poignant in light of b.sadie bailey's powerful comment.

I'm looking at my little dog sleeping (she's not feeling well today), and also thinking of my 8 mo. old great-grandson who's probably smiling up at his Mommy right now.

I am sad, mostly enraged and not very good at organizing my life with hope for a few more year, though I try. Every damn day I try. A lobotomy would be helpful.

I wonder, what was the point in the first place? I got in trouble years ago in a philosophy class when I asked 'Why Life?' Was told it was a pointless question.

Frankly, given the mood I'm in, I think it is the ONLY question!

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"A purpose of life is a life of purpose"

Many were, more were not.

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I doubt it that we will be "eliminated" that easily.

Even major catastrophes will probably leave some survivors and they may enter another 'cycle of civilization'.

Or we may become wise and avoid catastrophes.

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Islam? Why would you say that?

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Because he is an ignorant fanatic?

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I have no doubt that Islam was the cause of these issues click here

What else could it possibly be?

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Immigrants from Latin America?

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Religion is.

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kindly stay on topic - which is Climate Change and collapse of the biosphere. Do not try to co-opt the dialogue and bend it to your own misguided agenda blaming some religion or other - they're all to blame when used to subjugate and brainwash the masses.

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Does this qualify as "anti-Semitic?"

Why not?

I disagree because Saudi Arabia claims to be the Center of Islam. Many Western countries are kissing the rare end of Saudi criminal clans, so what is up Stan?

Climate change starts with all of us. I agree to focus on the topic of this article. Each of us need to take care of climate wherever we are.

Peace and Cheer.

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"We engineered our march toward collective suicide although global warming was first identified in 1896 by the Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius."

Actually, Svante said,"By the influence of the increasing percentage of carbonic acid in the atmosphere, we may hope to enjoy ages with more equable and better climates, especially as regards the colder regions of the earth, ages when the earth will bring forth much more abundant crops than at present, for the benefit of rapidly propagating mankind."

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All it says that global warming was identified by Svante, and in his quote he thought that it was a "good thing" for northern reaches and mankind. Too bad he was dead wrong.

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Arrhenius is quite misunderstood (as is most of science, btw) by the excited warmists. First of all, "global warming was first identified ..." is exaggerating his more scientific proposition that atmospheric CO2 (which he called carbonic acid) could warm the planet. He didn't perform any tests of the idea, but he wrote a paper describing how it might work. A later experiment in the early 20th century demonstrated that even a rich CO2 environment did not warm more than normal air.

Arrhenius was right about the beneficial potential of warming, because he wasn't an alarmist terrified by the prospect of a "tipping point". We can only hope that trope dies before we wreck our society and economy with groundless "climate action".

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How it might work?


Earth's surface is warmed up by the sunlight.

It emits infrared quantum into the space.

If it is not stopped it goes away and the earth is "little cooler".

If a molecule in the atmosphere absorbs it, it can either reemit it, (possibly back) or get "faster" (warmer) and keep the heat in the atmosphere.

Both emission back and keeping heat in the atmosphere make the Earth warmer then the Earth would have been.

CO2 provides such molecules.

More such molecules in the atmosphere keep more heat here and Earth is warmer.


Any misunderstanding of science there?


And, as far as I know, it is experimentally proven on Venus.


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"... converting to a plant-based diet and dismantling the animal agriculture industry as well as greening deserts and restoring rain-forests." The exact opposite is true. Desrtification begins with the decimation of herd animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

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