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Rittenhouse Verdict: Justice, But Not Joy

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On November 19, a Wisconsin jury acquitted Kyle Rittenhouse on various charges related to the shootings of three people (two fatally) during an August night of "unrest" (that is, a protest turned riot) in Kenosha.

I expected to see, and did see, a diverse set of reactions to the verdict on my (also diverse) social media feeds. The reactions broke down into three overall groupings.

Group 1: Rittenhouse was a hero who stood forth to protect private property and was entirely justified in shooting three evil-doers who assaulted him with intent to kill, or at least do grievous bodily harm, to him. His acquittal is an affirmation of truth, justice, and the American way.

Group 2: Rittenhouse was a white supremacist slime-ball who showed up wanting to shoot people and ended up manufacturing reasons to do so. His acquittal is proof that truth and justice don't matter, and that "the American way" is really just a tradition of legal privilege and protection for white right-wingers.

Group 3: Rittenhouse was a 17-year-old who made an unwise decision (as 17-year-olds will do) to show up to a riot, but who nonetheless had the right to act in self-defense when others made the even more unwise decision to violently assault him.

I'm in Group 3.

I didn't and don't know Kyle Rittenhouse's full state of mind at any point in the incident. Presumably no one but Rittenhouse himself does. But the available evidence indicates that he defended himself in the face of plausible threats of death or grievous bodily harm.

That's not what a jury of 12 concluded in acquitting him. What the jury (and anyone who paid attention to the trial) concluded was that the prosecution didn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. There's a difference.

Group 4 (which includes all sensible members of the other three) says "I don't like ANY of this."

I hate that police shot Jacob Blake. That's not a judgment of whether or not the police HAD to shoot him. Whether they had to or not, it wasn't a good thing.

I hate that the protests over the shooting turned into a riot. The violence and destruction didn't cause Jacob Blake to magically become un-shot nor did it make his shooting any more, or any less, justifiable.

I hate that a 17-year-old made the unwise decision to show up to a riot. I'm glad he survived the experience, and hope he learned something from it, but all in all I'd rather have never heard his name.

I hate that grandstanding prosecutor Thomas Binger decided to interrupt the lives of Kyle Rittenhouse and 12 jurors, forcing them to sit through his incompetent delivery of an incredibly weak case.

The "not guilty" verdict seems just, but it really just makes the best of a terrible, and at multiple points avoidable, situation.

If there's any good takeaway from this incident at all, it's the possibility that lives will be saved as future protesters pause for careful thought and consideration before attacking armed opponents who haven't attacked them.

 

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Kyle Rittenhouse didn't just "show up to a riot," he showed up armed with an assault rifle and lots of ammunition. We can infer something about his intent from that.

I don't know what he might learn from this, nor care, but I do care that lots of aggrieved and potentially violent people are going to learn that US "justice" will allow them to kill at will as long as they're white and can plead some kind of stand-your-ground self defense.

As to someone's life being interrupted, I can think of three whom I would consider long before Rittenhouse or the jurors:

Joseph Rosenbaum, aged 36

Anthony Huber, 26

Gaige Grosskreutz, 27

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The three people you name interrupted their own lives by violently assaulting someone who was capable of protecting himself. All of them were white, too, and weren't allowed to kill only because the victim demurred.

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"If there's any good takeaway from this incident at all, it's the possibility that lives will be saved as future protesters pause for careful thought and consideration before attacking armed opponents who haven't attacked them."

From my perspective, the protestors 'attacking him' were trying to subdue and/or detain someone who had just shot another person and was in the process of running away from the crime scene. That is why they were yelling to bystanders to "stop him, he just shot somebody". In other words, THEY were the responsible citizens trying to do the right thing.

I think it is fair to say that NONE of this likely would have happened if no guns, in anyone's hands, had been present. Mr. Rosenbaum seemed intent on 'death-by-cop', but since none were available he had a good selection of heavily-armed civilians to choose from. Hence the videos of him yelling "shoot me, nigga, just shoot me!" over and over. When that taunting didn't have the desired result, he started chasing Rittenhouse. Because of the presence of the guns, what otherwise likely would have ended in a fistfight (if even that much) inevitably ended in gunshots and death. From there on, Rittenhouse's other victims were some of those trying to stop him from possibly doing more shooting. A bad ending for all involved, but it seems ONLY because of the presence of guns.

What is even more disgusting about this whole case is the effort by some to impune the character of his victims, and some even intimating that somehow they 'deserved' to be shot because they may not have been pure, clean upright citizens, but instead, just an angry, violent mob.

At the very least, this should put into question the outrageous gun 'laws' that allow an immature, pimply-faced momma's-boy with real identity issues to possess a lethal weapon of any kind, as well as the prevalent societal attitude that apparently agrees with many of these 'laws'.

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I agree that the gun laws are bad. Personally, I'm a modified Atlanta Declarationist:

"Every man, woman, and responsible child has an unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon -- rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission."

My exception to that is the "any place, without asking anyone's permission." There's no right to carry a gun onto someone else's property without their permission.

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I agree with you.

But only with the caveat that with this right comes profound responsibility which is all too often completely ignored.

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The problem I have with that is the fact that any projectile weapon has the innate ability to affect others at a distance. That is why so many psychologists tell us that some people love guns; they can do violence against another without close physical involvement. How many times do we have to read about some doofus "cleaning" his gun at his kitchen table, it "goes off" somehow (couldn't figure out how to unload it, apparently), the bullet goes through his or her wall into someone else's home and injures or kills them ? Or the idiots firing their guns into the air on New Years or July 4th or whatever, and someone a mile away falls dead from the bullet ? Yeah, it doesn't happen a lot, but it doesn't need to happen AT ALL. In effect, when you shoot a gun and the bullet goes onto someone else's property WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION isn't that about the same thing as your "exception" ?

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"In effect, when you shoot a gun and the bullet goes onto someone else's property WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION isn't that about the same thing as your 'exception?'"

It's not ABOUT the same thing, it IS the same thing.

But until and unless it happens, it hasn't happened. You're responsible to others for what you do, not for what you could conceivably do.

If everything that could conceivably turn into something bad was outlawed, everything would be outlawed. I couldn't give you a toaster for your birthday because it might electrocute you. And people jumping into boxes with motors that have "innate ability to affect others" by running them over? That would be right out.

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This isn't about 'extremes'. This is about common sense. You can't even legally buy a new car these days with a hood ornament that "might" injure a pedestrian if they happen to be just the right height and struck by just the right part of the front end of the car at just the right speed.

You CAN give me a toaster for my birthday (thanks anyway, I have two already...) as long as that toaster is UL APPROVED as safe and therefore legal to sell. Unfortunately, politicians in this country have no stomach for taking on the very powerful interests that aid and encourage the proliferation of guns, so no gun regulations of any consequence are ever passed. From our war-based economy to our action movies, gun fetishes are encouraged and nurtured. And now, once again, we end up with a Kyle Rittenhouse.

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It is not illegal to sell a non-UL-approved toaster. UL is a private organization that tests devices for the insurance industry. If you look closely at your homeowners insurance policy, you'll find out that you're not covered for fires caused by non-UL-approved electrical devices.

As for guns, it's not that complicated: 125 million Americans own 400 million of them, and if told to give them up a substantial portion will say "come try to take them and see what happens."

As a moderate, I suppose it might be interesting to suggest a compromise: Once all military personnel and all police have been disarmed and government employees have all been forbidden to so much as touch a firearm, the rest of us might consider giving ours up.

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I would like to see NO guns in anyone's hands in this country, including any gov. agency. However, I don't think most gun lovers are stupid enough to think that a firefight with the cops of any other gov. guys is going to end well for them, as much as they like to bluster about it. Ruby Ridge, Wounded Knee and Waco come to mind. By the way, I think what happened at those places was despicable on the gov's. side, but the fact remains they will always win. In lieu of an outright ban, which I would support, I have always been in favor of AT LEAST liability ins., yearly permits and competency testing just like with cars, but that doesn't fit the free-for-all gun mentality in this country very well. So once again, we have the Zimmerman's and Rittenhouse's (and the trigger-happy cops).

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That may be your dream world. Sounds like a hellish nightmare to me.

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That's an odd way of saying that you prefer higher murder, rape, and assault rates to lower ones.

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I'm not going to take the time to check that out, but I suspect that state-by-state data on those crimes vs. gun laws wouldn't bear that out.

It sounds hellish to me because it would mean that any dispute could easily devolve to the lowest common denominator of potentially fatal violence, and that anyone around you could kill you on a whim. A world full of Kyle Rittenhouses--not my idea of a good place to live.

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News flash: Any dispute can already easily devolve to the lowest common denominator of potentially fatal violence, and anyone around you can already kill you on a whim.

When you walk into an alley, would you rather see a woman who was raped and then strangled to death with her own pantyhose, or would you rather see a rapist/murderer with a hole between his eyes?

Victim disarmament ("gun control") laws make the former outcome more likely than the latter.

The mere perceived possibility that that woman may have a .380 in her purse makes both outcomes less likely.

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A dramatic but false choice. I'd rather live in a society where I can walk anywhere without feeling threatened, where I can trust my fellow citizens and they can trust me, and where there are good laws equitably enforced.

As I said earlier, I'm not going to take the time to do fresh research on the subject, but if you're interested you can see some actual data from a few years ago reported in this OpEdNews post.

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Check out Illinois gun laws and crime rate. In fact look at any major Democrat led city with strict gun laws and tell me how it's working for them.

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That's called cherry picking.

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Well then, by all means, check out the reverse.

Criminals don't abide by gun laws.

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What really chaps my hide is the crime he was charged with, first degree homicide.

There is no way anyone involved in this case could have believed that any jury anywhere would convict a psychologically damaged teenager of first degree murder under these circumstances. Somebody must have known this. The charges were completely excessive, except for recklessly endangering safety, of which he is of course guilty, if only by virtue of carrying and shooting a gun.

But, though a dubious court found him "not", Kyle Rittenhouse is actually guilty of killing two people and wounding a third, and he knows it.

To completely exonerate him is a mistake of monumental degree -- for everyone concerned. This boy needs to answer for his actions which were his choices. The people he shot were all unarmed and innocent, with the exception of the first, who, while far from innocent, attacked him with bare arms, and was never an actual threat to him.

Frankly I am afraid for Kyle so early in his life having to carry and deal with the knowledge that he took human life ( ... and, hey, it wasn't so bad after all).

He was so scared and crying as the verdict came in, and then so relieved, but nothing is going to help him now to deal with the crime of which he knows he is guilty. He will either harden himself into the role of exonerated murderer/hero, and continue to use guns to solve his problems and get his thrills, as others begin to follow in his path, or, if he has any compassionate attributes, he will never be able to live with himself, however that will culminate.

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"The people he shot were all unarmed and innocent, except for the three who assaulted him, including one who was shot while pointing a firearm at him."

Fixed, no charge.

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Yes, and that gentleman pointing the gun off-handedly at him could have fired at any point, but did not. He essentially 'had the drop' on him but did not apparently desire to kill, just to detain him. Once again, Rittenhouse chose to be the first to fire.

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That was not, so far as I could tell, the case. But even if it was, the lesson is "don't point that gun at someone unless you're prepared to fire it, because by pointing that gun you've forfeited your right to not get your ass shot."

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If you had watched the trial or video excerpt of the 'gentleman pointing the gun off-handedly' being cross examined you would know he pointed it intentionally at Rittenhouse, by his own words. And later stated that his only regret was that he didn't shoot first. Oh, and his gun (glock) was illegal. His carry permit was expired.

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Thanks.

It was my mistake not to be certain of my information. But it is easy to do, since the stories are all so biased, and the hype so divisive. This, I think, is what this "trial" was really all about.

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When you go down the rabbit hole you must look at who benefits economically from the riots. Follow the money! click here

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"Rittenhouse Verdict: Justice, But Not Joy"

Where exactly is the "Justice" for the two murdered and one wounded for trying to stop, in their eyes, a fleeing shooter ?

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"in their eyes"

You know what they were thinking?

Also look up the 'active shooter' definition. Does not apply to Rittenhouse.

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I don't "know" what they were thinking, but we all heard in the videos what they were saying :

They were yelling at others in the street to "stop that guy, he just shot somebody". I think it is fair to believe that what they were yelling is pretty much the same as what they were thinking.

I don't believe I used the phrase "active shooter", so I'm not sure why I should be 'looking it up'.

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Interesting that most protesting the verdict, didn't watch the trial, or avail themselves of the multitude of videos of the event, confusing the facts in the case, and are second guessing the jury that was tasked with finding beyond a reasonable doubt whether the defendant was defending himself. But hey, at least they've dropped the 'scary' crossing state lines argument as if that was a crime in itself.

The media made this trial about political ideologies. And depending on which side of the fence people are on, as far as that, many will stick to their 'feelings', facts and the law be damned.

Stripping law abiding citizens of legally obtained weapons will do nothing to make anyone safer. If a criminal wants to harm you they can easily obtain a weapon illegally and your right to self defense has been taken away by the 'save me' crowd.

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Nan, although Rittenhouse has been exonerated, the American people will still be subjected to destabilizing schemes carried out by the various facets of the deep state until these schemes themselves are put on trial.

"The media made this trial about political ideologies. And depending on which side of the fence people are on, as far as that, many will stick to their 'feelings', facts and the law be damned".

Democrats have lost the war, the people and power in all three branches of government; placing the blame everywhere but the divided citizens still can't see the forest for the trees.

Democrat Royalty has left us divided, conquered and wailing at the wall of defeat from self-inflicted wounds, they refuse to accept accountability. From the DNC and Super Delegates betrayals of their former power base to the loss of the Independent voters they will not address. Or is it a bad case of denial and determination to extend their reign by hook or crook? Will Divide and Conquer have failed them finally this time around?

The doubling down of the corporate and neocon wing of the democrat party after the complete destruction from voters' rejection clearly paints the picture for those who question the truth in what has happened. This abstract failure is complete and all the Kings horses and all the Kings men will not be able to put it together again despite the current Royal color of purple donned by all that had lost power to include Soros, Bill and Hilary and throughout their subjects on the losing side of history. They did not except they are no longer the self-appointed Authoritarian Royalty who has lost their power and stature.

The Democrat Elitist Party's color revolution scheme that ripped the country apart in an attempt to overthrow Trump. And what of this color revolution scheme and the Ziminskis? That's what should be on trial.

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The Ziminskis were critical to this trial, and it was a huge loss that they were excluded, I believe illegally but absolutely immorally, by the prosecutors. As an expert both in insurgency techniques using ideology and social movements, as well as a former chief negotiator for a prominent SEIU local, and knowing the precise techniques, organizations, and individuals, I know that this aspect involving the Ziminskis was left alone by prosecutors to avoid unearthing the larger plot. SEIU was involved deeply in this Color Revolution, SEIU's color is purple incidentally, and the color revolution which the Transition Integrity Project hailed, has been called the Purple Revolution by adherents and critics alike. The Ziminskis were excluded from testimony by the prosecutors, and the timing of their trial was concerted through collusion between the DA and the courts, so that Joshua Ziminski could not be crossed. This is despite Ziminski's intimate knowledge of the events, and that his testimony would have established coordination between his actions and Rosenbaum's. In other words, self-defense becomes clearer when one is attacked by two men, one armed, and the other lunging for a tackle or for the gun: it becomes a necessarily lethal encounter where self-defense is profoundly evident.

Ziminski, who goes by the alias Alex Blair, himself had a long criminal record and therefore was potentially not an SEIU staffer himself, though under such conditions as the color revolution tactic, such involvement would not be unlikely.

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What would have been revealed? What evidence would have come to light?

Citizens must understand that the events in Kenosha were staged by a fascist technique executed by the corporate oligarchy. Not indirectly, not systemically, but directly by organizing the riots. It does not matter that the ideology of the professional rioters is 'far left.' The color revolution operation is fascist in nature because the financiers are globalist corporations, and the techniques used are not mobilization of the masses against elites (as in Marxism/Anarchism), but the mobilization of a part of the population against another part of the regular population, financed by corporations.

The Ziminskis were armed field organizers or field coordinators, or had been operationalized by such, either on the SEIU payroll or through its own COPA piggy bank, and/or of the various front groups similar to if not the same as 'Our Revolution,' 'Our Wisconsin Revolution.' There is the Wisconsin 'People's Revolution,' and similar. All operate identically. Grosskreutz, whose arm was vaporized as he attempted to shoot Kyle Rittenhouse by obscuring his gun side and trying to run around him, also testified to having been an activist and sympathizer of the same organization that the Ziminskis worked for, or were operationalized by. But the organization was not some stand-alone group, without ties to the establishment, and herein lies our point.
Rittenhouse's Trial Missed an Opportunity to Red-Pill the Public on Color Revolutions
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Exactly. And the prosecutors also knew the identity of 'jump kick man' (who actually did connect with Rittenhouse hard enough to spin him around) who himself also had an extensive rap sheet but was never called.

There's also an investigation in to the FBI drone video by attnys according to Rittenhouse.

I should state that I'm in category 3.

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Where do you think these 'illegally obtained' guns come from ? Try straw-man acquisitions, home burglaries and thefts from cars, etc. that were all originally 'legal' purchases. Those were all facilitated by negligent "responsible" owners. Also, unscrupulous "legal" gun owners who don't really care who they sell their stuff to. Oh, let's not forget the gun shops that'll sell under the table to anyone, and of course the gun shows.

Get rid of ALL the guns - simple.

All it would take is the repeal of the 2nd Amendment, a poorly written and frequently mis-used and misunderstood piece of writing that has caused more death and destruction than any other part of the Constitution. Yes, I know that will never happen, because the politicians are all bought and paid for and the general public has been conned into believing guns are a good thing, just like the C-V-D injections. All legitimate studies have shown that a person who has a gun available to 'defend' their home is 10 to 13 times more likely to have that gun used against them and/or a family member.

You have your bias FOR guns, I have my bias AGAINST them. In 73 years I've yet to see more than one or two situations where guns actually improved a situation; generally it has been quite the opposite, and as I said before, Kenosha is exemplary of that.

I did watch a fair amount of the 'trial', including the mentioned videos, and I don't arbitrarily follow along with whatever any of the pundits have said. The fact that the judge agreed not to allow the victims of Rittenhouse to be referred to as "victims" says a great deal about the legitimacy of the so-called 'trial'. Between that and the ambiguous, poorly-written 'legal' definition of "self defense" used in the trial, that says it all to me. I believe the jury did what they had to do under those constraints.

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"Get rid of ALL the guns - simple."

If it's so simple, maybe you can explain how you propose to do it.

And remember, it's not just gathering up the 400 million existing commercially made guns, or even confiscating every machine tool and 3D printer in existence. A working firearm can be built by hand out of a few bucks' worth of reasonably common household items. Are you going to illegalize hairspray? Toilet cleaner? Children's marbles?

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I thought you'd realize I was being a little facetious with "simple". And please, try to re-consider the hackneyed argument about every other item on the face of the earth being a weapon. A gun is DESIGNED and BUILT to be ONLY a weapon. Many like to call guns 'tools', but that is being deceptive and misleading. They have no place in a truly civil, progressive society, and we will never get to be one until we stop relying on such things to settle our differences, intimidate and kill.

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I didn't say anything about every other item on the face of the earth being a weapon. I merely pointed out that if I walked into your home, I could probably build a working firearm out of things I found there in about half an hour. All it takes is a tube of some kind, a projectile that fits in the tube, and a propellant.

If I already have a premade projectile -- specifically, a shotgun shell -- I can make a shotgun out of some print magazines, a rubber band, a nail, and a piece of wood or stiff cardboard. Just like the old big city street gangs used to make .22s out of car antennas and door bolts (they called them "zip guns").

Of course, we're way beyond that now. While you couldn't build an Uzi on a home-grade 3-D printer, you could certainly print a pistol that would be good for at least one shot. And if you had a fairly inexpensive (as such things go) home machine shop, you could certainly build basic rifles and shotguns, or complete more complex ones with only a few pre-fabricated parts.

So, to "get rid of ALL the guns," in addition to getting rid of the 400 million or more commercially produced firearms in the US, you'd also have to outlaw pretty much everything that anyone could use to make one at home. Which is pretty much everything, period. Which would mean even more people saying "no, I don't think so -- try and take them and see what happens."

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Once again:

They have no place in a truly civil, progressive society, and we will never get to be one until we stop relying on such things to settle our differences, intimidate and kill.

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Thank you for the tutorial on weapon building. I now feel much better knowing that with just a cardboard paper-towel tube, some used 'snot-rags', and perhaps some chunks of over-ripe limburger cheese, I should be able to defend my home, as well : )

On the other end, I just watched a rather incredible sci-fi movie (on Tubi) from 1957 called "The 27th Day". I could not have asked for a more appropriate film for today, 'Thanksgiving Day'. I highly recommend it, even to the gun-obsessed. I certainly understand why this movie disappeared from circulation for so many years; the message of peace offered there is pretty unpalatable to many these days, especially those who persist in believing that "might makes right".

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Nan, for sure you have digested George's three entries. he researches well and makes good statements, don't you think?

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He makes his point much better than I can.

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