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This seven minute video is well worth the watch if you want to explore the title further. Amory Lovins, the energy guru of the planet imo, explains it well. (I've written about Amory before click here) Amory founded the Rocky Mountain Institute decades ago, in Colorado. He and his team have received barrels of awards and worked on seemingly countless projects worldwide. Lovins keeps a low profile, yet seeps like water into the many cracks of industry, while the Rocky Mountain Institute has had profound influence in the field of energy, including cars you may be driving or will be driving, dwellings you may live or work in, and transport in general.

Amory's book (with coauthors), Natural Capitalism click here, is a milestone for how we should be proceeding in the 21st Century, though from reading the headlines we seem to be heading in the opposite direction. I've read the book three times and referenced parts of it considerably more than that. Most inspirational, particularly for anyone with any interest in engineering or building, among other topics. His website, www.rmi.org, is enough to make you feel better about potentials before us and things that are being done now. Energy in the form of oil is the main reason we've been and are causing havoc in the Mideast, doing "regime change," perpetual war, and disrupting life on Planet Earth.

 

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Don't worry, they'll just make 'clean' natural gas just like the coal. LOL

And this doesn't even include the environmental cost of fracking.

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In the late 1980s, some reports that fusion was close to commercial reality got quite a bit of press. Reporters interviewed some of the world's environmental thought leaders to ask them what they thought of fusion--testing how they felt not about energy's human-harming risks and wastes, but its pure transformative power. What did they say?

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I recently watched a video of the folks working actively on this, on Curiosity Stream (which I once again most strongly recommend). There has been great progress made and it certainly appears to be within the realm of possibility, and the work could be greatly accelerated if it were a major issue politically.

I think there are an infinite number of things we could do right now, for far less, and maybe give us time to get there. There is humongous room for efficiency--think of trying to fill a hot bath. We are continually looking for ways to create more hot water, when what we mainly need is a bath tub stopper that doesn't leak, mainly, and across the board of our energy use.

Realize also that renewables are already undercutting the cost of coal by a wide margin. They'll create vastly more jobs.

Population reduction is simple: Get a vascetomy. Why would any conscientious person want to bring another human into our already vastly past carrying capacity planet? Seriously, are you sick, irredeemably stupid, willfully ignorant, or a serious sadist?

Look to cutting consumption at every chance you get.

Pay attention politically. Did you vote Green in the last election? If not, why not?

Pay attention, period. Wake up and get active.

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"Seriously, are you sick, irredeemably stupid, willfully ignorant, or a serious sadist?"

OMG, really? You really said that about me? With all the rules around here about personal attacks?

Who was it, the esteemed Paul Ehrlich, who said "In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now"? Yes, he said that. Meanwhile, ~50 years later with the population ~doubling the percentage of chronically undernourished people fell from 33 to 11. Ehrlich failed to understand, or appreciate, the resourcefulness of the human race; why should we fall for the same nonsense even today? What's more, there's lots of projections now that have the planet reducing its population in the future, as demonstrated by the U.S. and Great Britain. So need for vasectomies, we actually need more resourceful people in this country. You know what tends to cause societies to reduce populations? Advancement. For that we need energy, and lots of it. Guess we won't be getting much of that action from you or Mr. Lovins.

So I guess the question falls to you now Dan. Would you approve of a plentiful, cheap, non-polluting source of energy for the planet? Do you agree with Mr. Lovins when he said ..... "It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we might do with it." ....?

What is it that you, and Mr. Lovins, really want?

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I did not mean to attack you personally in the heat of my argument, but clearly I did. I sincerely apologize and thank you for bringing it to my attention. As for Amory, I am not aware of the context of the quote. I recently posted something about fusion, based on a Curiosity Stream video that I recommended. Handled properly, that would be perhaps the greatest achievement of our species. But dispersed renewables are here now. I believe it would it would be extraordinary to have both, fusion for recycling all our landfills, and the renewables to power society.

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No problem, just thought it was a little odd to be calling someone "sick, irredeemably stupid, willfully ignorant, or a serious sadist" simply because they maybe wanted ....... to have a child?

That's what we do Dan, we have children. But what we also do is innovate and advance. So I'm gratified to see that you're not like so many of these hard-core environmentalists whose underlying motivation is really anti-capitalism and/or anti-humanism. The last thing they want to see is a truly clean, plentiful source of energy which would be great for both capitalism and humans. That would take the proverbial 'wind' out of their sails.

I searched around for that Lovins quote and I think I found the whole context, which makes him look much more sensible:

"If you ask me, it'd be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won't give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other."

In other words, 'no nukes!'

So my apologies ... that article I linked failed to investigate the whole context. It even appears that Lovins is actually pretty free-market minded.

However I think he and many others are mistaken to think that the wind and the sun are EVER going to do BOTH the job of controlling CO2 AND averting mass death by starvation and freezing -- minus some pretty radical intervention courtesy of the most natural and fundamental energy source there is .... the atom.

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Thanks, Gary, for the thoughtful response. Two of Amory's books have been pivotal in my thinking, Soft Energy Paths (I believe it's here that he observes we have a fusion reactor already, at just the right place, 93m miles away) and Natural Capitalism (wherein he and others take into consideration and elaborate on the inputs and outputs of our economic system). I highly recommend both these books, outdated in a few places but hardly detrimental to the main ideas.

Two articles of mine and a link from years past give some insight into my own thinking on both overpopulation and renewable energy. As they speak for themselves, I'll merely present the links, not to argue but for a bit more insight into where I'm coming from:

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