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Mass Shootings in El Paso and Dayton

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Patrick Crucius drove 650 miles to kill 20 people in El Paso. The photo above is from his Facebook page. He published a manifesto saying that Texas had been invaded by immigrants. it's clear to anyone with eyes wide open that he is a result of Donald Trump's racism and bigotry.

Idiot gun defenders say that the El Paso incident suggests that open carry should be made a nationwide policy. I say idiots because Texas IS open-carry and the 20 killed and 26 wounded happened in spite of many people carrying guns at the locale.

Both shooters used the weapons of choice for mass shooters-- high powered assault weapons with high capacity magazines. In Dayton, the shooter was stopped within one minute, yet he was able to kill nine people.

As usual, Moscow Mitch McConnell, who has blocked legislation to regulate guns, sent his thoughts and prayers.

Here's the right wing perspective. They'll also argue that it is too early to talk politics. They have blood on their hands. Every one of them.

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The odds of being killed by a drunk driver are probably thousands of times greater than of being shot by someone. most people who get shot, shot themselves. If you list the bad ways people get killed 99.9% of them would be by means other than guns. 500,000 people a year die from smoking cigarets. No one is trying to take away cigarrets or bad drugs or alcohol, and on and on. If you want to eliminate or reduce unnecessary deaths take the $Trillions you spend killing other innocent people and use it to create a better society where you live, I bet it would make a world of difference.

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Cui bono? "who benefits?".

Not gun owners.

Not immigration restrictionists.

Not Conservative Whites.

All of the above know that the absolute worst thing you can do to advance your interests is to kill innocent people. The global Cryptocracy, on the other hand, is willing to incorporate any means to advance their agenda.

That is why this event reeks of a false flag event. Bad guy right out of central casting with a 'manifesto' critical of Globalism targeting favored minorities using the weapon the Deep State most wants to ban.

Of course, the FBI would like to arrest me for voicing 'conspiracy theories' that upset the media narrative.

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O-M-G

Or maybe, and MUCH more likely, he's just a murdering racist scumbag.

I'll bet he even owns a MAGA hat.

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Hadn't seen this before. Just....wow.


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The only part of that statement I can agree with is "he's just a murdering _ scumbag". As was the Ohio shooter who was a registered Democrat, supported Liz Warren and was into Satan.


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As was the Ohio shooter who was a registered Democrat, supported Liz Warren and was into Satan.

Assuming this is true, it is completely irrelevant!

Elizabeth Warren doesn't hold racist N@zi rallies and Tweet encouraging violence to non-white people and immigrants. trump does. She doesn't call neo-N@zi's 'very fine people'. trump does. Etc, etc...

In fact, the KKK was started by Democrats and now are probably entirely Republicans.

And why do you think that Democrats can't be insane, murdering scumbags? America is an equal opportunity killing field.

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Hear, hear!

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It is about time we arrest the f*cking fbi and cia mofos. Just who in the hell do they think they are anyway? We should plant a foot up everyone of their proud, lying and murderous asses...twice. I am tired of their bullshit threats, aren't you?

It's way past the time that we snatch the little criminal bastards and hold them accountable for the all the crap they have bragged about doing through the ages.

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What good is a trillion dollar defense budget when we are no longer safe going to the mall, movies or concerts. It is easy to point fingers at guns but not so easy to figure why our society is so hell bent on murder and suicide. Our government is corrupt from the top down and has lost the trust of the people while Our corporate owned media does everything they can to keep us divided by constantly posting stories designed to get the reader to take a side instead of being unbiased and objective.

And when the richest nation on the planet doesn't provide health care to it's tax payers and allows sick people to become a commodity that gets publically traded, it is no wonder the dissension increases daily

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That's absolutely right...imo.

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When are we going to start calling trump exactly what he is - a domestic terrorist. His racist Tweets, speeches and rally transcripts are his 'Manifestos', which stoke hate and violence toward non-white people. He is pulling those triggers by proxy.

But he gets away with it because people call him 'President.'

Why?

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Just saw this on another site: the El Paso terrorist's 'Manifesto.'

I wonder if trump's speechwriter's helped him with it?

Transcript

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Do you think he is pulling his own trigger? If he is not he is not fit to be commander in chief. On the other hand he like so many before him are also unfit. Here is a free title for a book about that called, All the Elites Presidents...

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Trump should be tried and executed for multiple mass murder by proxy [they did it for Manson], as people chant "Send him back, send him back!!!" Death is the only way to send him back since he comes straight from Hell!

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Then like Morpheus we retrieve him but then we send him back again...over and over again. Of course he would have lots of company.

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2 WORDS DEFINE TRUMP: PSYCHOPATH AND MORON. UNFORTUNATELY FOR OUR PLANETARY SURVIVAL, HIS CANCEROUS CLONES ARE LEGION.

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There are mass shooting everyday by Americans against black and brown people. It is called US foreign policy. What the US does to others, it will do to its own. Trump is the chickens coming home to roost.

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Today we had another mass shooting in the U.S.A" When are "We the People" finally going to take back control of the weapons in the U. S. A., from the Politicians and the Gun Manufactures?

When will "We the People" final wake up and realize that all of these innocent men, women and children deserve the "Right to Life" and to live in a place that is safe?

When will every man and woman in the U.S.A. realize that each and every man, woman and child killed by guns is the child of some person who loved them dearly and will suffer until the day that they die?

MY ARGUMENTS FOR GUN CONTROLS.

I am what most will consider an "ole-timer" I was born on August 2, 1941. Just so you know, that was after the Musket had been around.

I had Polio when I was 9 months old and must wear a leg Brace when I walk. I have to say I rarely noticed it throughout my lifetime.

At the age of 15 I was given a 22 rifle and that was the beginning of a relationship that lasted all of my life. My father had served in World War I and he taught me how to shoot. It was not long before I could drive nails into a 2 X 4. Both of my Brothers served in the Military Honorably. My youngest Brother has not been served with Honor by the Congress of the United States of America because he got Cancer from Agent Orange and has yet to get any assistance from the Veteran's Administration.

When I was 18 at a County Fair in Traverse City, Michigan I had the Opportunity to fire a 38 Caliber Pistol, and it was as if the Gun had always been attached to my hand. Within 30 Minutes people were paying me to win prizes for them.

When I could afford it during my life time I have practiced monthly firing at least one box of ammunition. I am an excellent Marksman. During the 62 years I have been going hunting, I have had to take a second shoot just once at 400 yards, in a Blizzard, with winds at 25-35 mph shooting downhill at around 25 degrees. Just so you know, I harvested a 6 X 6 beautiful Elk in that trip to Idaho.

I also can tell you that in my 62 years of hunting I have been shot at twice. The first time was in Michigan while crossing an open field in Bright Orange Hunting Gear with a friend and his father. I will never forget this, because I actually heard the bullet whistle by my head. We hit the ground and the father lite up the area where the shot came from. Then we had to climb the hill to see if he had accidently hit the fool. I do not recommend doing what my friend's dad did.

The second time was in Virginia, which is a State where a majority of the hunters use a Shotgun and Hunt in Private Hunt Clubs. The morning of the Hunt you draw a number for the Blind or Stand you are going to hunt from. It was around 10:30 A.M. when a small herd of Deer came down a Ravine I was posted over. I did not see a Buck so did not bother to take off my Safety. Then I heard the shoot off to my left and heard the Buck Shot hit the tree 10 to 15 feet above my head. There had been no one who belonged to the Hunting Club assigned to that area. We assumed that it was a Non-Member walk-in off of the Highway that ran close by.

I use to be a Lifetime Member of the NRA and have written many letters to them about the need for "Mental and Physical" testing of Gun Owners. I also believe in Physical and Eye testing of those who would own guns.

I wrote detailed training programs which provide for the proper Mentality [or frame of mind] to be in when handling a Gun for Target Practice, for Hunting and for Protection. Anyone who is Angry, Upset or Afraid has no business with a gun in their hands.

I also wrote critiques of the NRA's training program and defects in it that I saw. It was when the NRA fought against Gun Controls that I resigned my lifetime membership. The Life of a Human Being is much more valuable than the Controls proposed and those that eventually would be passed into law.

Let me make it perfectly clear to all that the United States of America is a country of the people, by the people and for the people and that a majority of us have the right to change the U. S. Constitution.

2nd amendment: original meaning and purpose.

When the U.S. Constitution was signed on September 17, 1787, federalists claimed the new government would only have limited powers expressly delegated to it. This wasn't enough for anti-federalists like George Mason, who wanted explicit guarantees to certain rights in order to prevent any potential encroachment by the federal government.

One of them was the right to keep and bear arms. Mason wrote:

"A well-regulated Militia, [Militia = a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.] The congressional definition of militia has changed over the past 328 years.

A well-regulated Militia, is a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.

All able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state"

The founding fathers, having just broken away from Great Britain, understood the new federal government they were ratifying might one day become just as tyrannical. If it had the authority to control citizen access to firearms, then it could disarm them, just as the British attempted to do. This would make any attempts to restore liberties futile.

The Second Amendment was specifically included in the Bill of Rights to prevent this.

The N.R.A. and the gun loving U. S. Citizens like to argue that we people and U. S. Citizens are trying to take away their firearms, which they know is a lie. What we are asking our representatives and senators in the U. S. Congress to do is to place a restriction on the individual's right to own and possess Automatic and Simi-automatic weapons. We also want severe punishment for anyone who modifies a weapon to function as an automatic weapon. We also are asking more clearly defined requirements to be placed on the mental and physical requirements for an individual to own a firearm. Lastly, we want to clearly define the requirements to get a carry permit. You must have a list of specific reasons to carry.

Two centuries later, we are in an ideological struggle with gun control advocates attempting to alter the meaning of the second amendment in order to allow for federal restrictions on our right to bear arms. Not surprisingly, they completely ignore what the ratifiers of the constitution and the second amendment had to say, because all pertinent historical documents contradict them.

It is the people who refuse to open their eyes and minds to the reality of life in the 21st century. They refuse to see the differences in the Morality of the citizens. They refuse to see the differences in the Technology of Firearms. They absolutely refuse to accept the fact that the more individuals with firearms has increased the number of people murdered by firearms. They refuse to accept the fact that firearms are designed to kill. Why can they not recognize our right to life??

For example, when the Founders wrote of a "well regulated" Militia, they meant Militias needed to be well regulated through training and drilling in order to be effective in battle. They thought that this could only happen if citizens had unrestricted access to firearms.

James Madison, the father of the Constitution, said in 1789 that "A well-regulated Militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."

An example of a well-regulated militia under Madison's definition was the Minutemen at Concord and Lexington, who had drilled on fields in preparation for war.

As to the meaning of the word "Militia," it has nothing to do with the National Guard. There is already a clause in the Constitution that specifically authorizes arming them.

[MILITIA = a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.] The congressional definition of militia has changed over the past 328 years. So what is a Militia as defined by the Founders? Mason said they were "the whole people, except for a few public officials."

In fact, there was a universal acceptance among both federalists and anti-federalists as to the importance of the right to bear arms.

Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 28 that "if the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense," a right which he declared to be "paramount."

And then there is clause "shall not be infringed." There is no exception to this contained anywhere in the amendment.

Oh really? Article V of the U. S. Constitution describes the process whereby the U. S. Constitution may be altered. "We the people," are provided the means for a majority of the citizens to change the U. S. Constitution as follows: an amendment may be proposed by either the U. S. House of Representatives or the U. S. Senate or by a Constitutional Convention called by two-thirds or THE U. S. State legislatures. As individuals we may petition our federal representatives and our state representatives for a constitutional convention.

Zacharia Johnson, a delegate to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, summed up the meaning of the second amendment when he declared that "the people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."

Typical N.R.A. arguments; are full possession, not some, not most, of their weapons. The feds were to keep their hands off entirely.

The founders made it very clear what the second amendment means. But if we do not fight against any and all attempts by the feds to infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms, then it loses all relevant meaning.

MY RECCOMENDED GUN CONTROL REFORMS.

I support the Second Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. I have read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, The Federalist Papers, Stories and Letters from several of the "Founding Fathers" and I believe that I understand their intent.

NOTE; I support and advocate the removal of all Hand-Guns in the U.S.A. that includes all Revolvers and Pistols. This includes every Police Department in the U.S.A. and every Federal Police Agency like the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. it would also include all U.S. Military Based Personnel in the Continental U.S.A. and Hawaii and Alaska. I do this because in the majority of shootings a hand gun was used. The Hand-Gun is too easy to hide on your person and to pull out and murder someone.

"The Australian government, as part of trying to clamp down on the availability of Automatic Weapons, offered a good price for buying hundreds of thousands of guns."

"Then, they basically clamped down, going forward, in terms of having more of a Background Check approach, more of a Permitting approach, but they believed, and I think the evidence supports them, that by offering to buyback those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and to set a different Standard for gun purchases in the future."

Because I am a Hunter and Protector of my home I will never advocate or support the removal of Rifles or Shotguns from the Individuals who otherwise qualify to own a Weapon in the U.S.A.

As a Hunter I do not support or advocate for the Legalization of Fully Automatic Rifles or Shotguns. I would write a Law to make it illegal to modify any Rifle or Shotgun into a fully Automatic weapon with a Mandatory 25 year Prison sentence.

Nor do I support any Weapon with more than the ability to hold 5 Cartridges at a single time.

It is my belief that we do need additional Laws and Controls on "People with Guns" and I recommend the following: _____________________________________________________________________________________

Before any Individual shall be permitted to purchase a Weapon they must meet all of the Requirements and pass a 30 day "Waiting Period."

[1.] All Individual Applicants MUST be required to pass a Federal Set Standard Mental, Physical, Hearing and Eye testing for any and all individuals, who are applying to purchase a Gun, prior to receiving a Weapon.

[2.] Mandatory "Gun Handling Classes" that you must be required to pass a Federal Set Standard. If you fail the test, it must be mandatory that the individual must wait six months before you can take it again.

[3.] Mandatory "Gun Shooting Classes." With Mandatory Federal Set Scoring Requirements to "Pass." There must be a mandatory six month waiting period before you can take it again.

[4.] Mandatory "Gun Instructor Training Classes" to be developed by and taught by members of the ATF. With Mandatory Scoring Requirements set to "Pass." There must be a mandatory six month waiting period before you can take it again.

[5.] Mandatory re-evaluation of all "Gun Instructors" every 5 years. To be performed by the ATF.

[6.] There must be clearly stated requirements to have an Individual Carry Permit with Mandatory re-evaluation of all Individual Carry Permits every single year, by local Police Departments. The need to carry may have changed.

[7.] Every individual seeking to purchase a weapon must pass a complete Background Check prior to purchasing a Weapon from any source or seller.

[8.] A Law that would Mandatorily require there be a Ballistics Test of every weapon Manufactured or Imported into United States of America on file with the ATF. Then a Ballistics Test would be associated directly to a specific Weapon and Serial Number, Dealer and Owner. The various Police Departments could request that the ATF personnel perform a Comparison Ballistic test on a Bullet that the Police Departments have that was involved in a crime, to the ATF Data Base.

[9.] Mandatory "Electronic Bio-Metric Trigger Locks" that only the Owner can use. The only exception is for active military personnel on a military base or in combat.

[10.] Mandatory requirement that every Gun Owner must have a Metal, Self-Locking Gun Vault. The only exception is for active military personnel on a military base or in combat.

[11.] Mandatory Requirement that NO weapon can hold more than 5 Cartridges. The only exception is for active military personnel on a military base or in combat.

[12.] Mandatory Requirement that NO Magazine, Clip or Canister hold more than 5 Cartridges. The only exception is for active military personnel on a military base or in combat.

[13.] Mandatory Requirement that NO Owner possesses more than two Magazines, Clips or Canisters for any weapon that they own. The only exception is for active military personnel on a military base or in combat.

[14.] Mandatory requirement that every Gun Owner be required to have $100,000.00 Minimum Liability Insurance Coverage on their gun, just like they are required to have Liability Insurance on an automobile in the State in which they reside. The only exception is for active military personnel on a military base or in combat.

[15.] Mandatory requirements must be established to allow specific reasons for an individual to carry a weapon in public. Like being an Individual who transports Money or Precious and Valuable Cargo, only when they are actually performing their job.

It would be legal to carry [UNLOADED] if one were going to a target practice site and the return trip home.

It would be legal to carry [UNLOADED] if one were going to a hunting site and the return trip home [UNLOADED].

It would be legal to carry [UNLOADED] if one were to purchase a weapon, for the return trip home.

It would be legal to carry [UNLOADED] for the trip to a gun repair shop and the return trip home.

It would be legal for an individual to carry, if one had filed for a restraining order against another individual with fear for their physical safety.

[16.] Any and all individuals with protection orders against them in abuse cases shall be barred from owning firearms for the balance of their lifetime.

[17.] Every sale of a Weapon or transfer of ownership of a Weapon shall require a mandatory Background Check. No one can legally purchase a Weapon without a Complete and through Background Check.

[18.] Just like with Alcohol, let's make the Minimum age to own a weapon 21 years of age.

[19.] Any and all Felons convicted of any and all Laws with the use of Physical Force or with a Weapon shall be barred from owning a weapon for their life time.

[20.] Any and all Owners of a Firearm shall be held responsible and accountable for any Injury or Death that their firearm may cause. The only Exception shall be if they have reported their Firearm stolen 24 hours prior to it being used to injure or Kill.


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Too much information.

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Thank you for the background especially as it pertains to the development of your outlook.

Your solutions seem cogent but I lost my way. I am reminded of the brief debates in the 1980's as the great theft of the public commons had resumed and accelerated. One topic was flat tax. There was no discussion of clearing the table first, by removing all of the breaks baked into the code, instead it was that we should leave them in and create a flat tax going forward. As it turns out had we done that we might be better off financially as a country.

In a similar way, your solution is to freeze everything without first clearing the table. We clear the table by recognizing the facts regarding the reasons for the 2nd amendment. At its core the 2nd amendment was racist and a compromise between non slave owners and slave owners to secure their property. After the debates, such amplified honestly could not be publicly admitted to hence the elites had us adopt the revolutionary attitude that citizen must have the right to organize militias and bear arms to protect itself against the state. The Sedition Act lays bare this lie. Once we overcome being brainwashed by reading the arguments for a 2nd amendment, we find in fact the basis of its racist core. Now we can move on to being aware about why an armed public is necessary including discussion of evolution to when an armed public would become vestigial.

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Trump's words may stir people up, but the killings have been going on for years. If the Govt was promoting the general and common welfare of the people rather than profits for their corporate owners and masters, swear we would have much more domestic tranquility. Corporate Imperialism enslaving countries around the world will also reap stuff at home. Karma it's called. "Woe to them from whom the stumbling blocks come causing the little ones to stumble."--a man they killed 2000 years ago.

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"...it's clear to anyone with eyes wide open that he is a result of Donald Trump's racism and bigotry."

The only thing I find clear at this point is that there's something very wrong with the United States of America.

The People have been bombarded all their lives about "terrorists". They've watched their military forces go all over the world, killing everyone and devastating the homes and landscapes of countless countries. The People were told this was being done to bring "justice, democracy and humanity" to these places.

The People were taught how to hate pretty much any culture that wasn't made up of white, bible-thumpin', capitalists. The population was also desensitized to the violence committed by their own.

This, along with "mass shootings", was all going on full-tilt before Trump even came along. Trump may exude and capitalize on racism, but he didn't bring racism into your country. He's merely a result of a century of conditioning of the American population.

You've got your own "Democratic" party who are supposed to be of a different mindset to its competitors in the Republican camp, yet, what have your Democrats been doing for the last decade or more?... They've been working to tear the masses apart through virtue-signalling identity politics, keeping everyone embroiled in class and racial division conflicts.

Seems every time there's another shooting event, everyone's scrambling to blame either Trump, or the gun lobby, or some other focal point in your politics for all that's going on. There doesn't seem to be any tendency to self-examine, as a country, what is happening. I see only fingers pointing at each other, keeping the division going strong.

The U.S.A. has lost its way. The majority has been successfully dumbed-down and confused by decades of propaganda and prejudice conditioning. And, you've been hit with so many false flags as part of your programming, yet you don't even question the legitimacy of each of these events as they happen.

Was this last shooting even a genuine occurrence? I'm not going to speculate this early myself, but how many of you are asking yourselves if you're being duped again, before jumping back onto the racist/terrorist/gun debate bandwagon? (How many of you figured out you were duped a number of times before?)

How many of you are asking yourselves if you've really got so many disturbed and/or "radicalized" citizens in your midst that it would be logical to expect a mass shooting every week?

And, how many of you are asking yourselves how to get to the CAUSE (or INSTIGATORS, if appropriate), in order to turn the situation around?

If you don't ask such questions, you're just resigning yourselves to continue having this same futile discussion, over and over again.

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You would think that the bible thumping Christians would know that:

"Thou shall not kill". Christianity has been turned inside out because of

stupid, gullible, non-thinking people.

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Yes, that was part of my point, and the irony was intended.

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That photo in guns spelling Trump does place some blame.

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The only thing the picture does is direct your thinking. You have to step back and think about a few things...

You're being TOLD this photo was on someone's "social media page". You don't really know where it comes from, or who put it together. Even if you could say the guy actually put this photo together himself and displayed it proudly in his Facebook profile, what does it really prove?

If I put a picture on my Facebook page of the name "Dewey", spelled out in pictures of child porn, it wouldn't prove you had incited me to do it, or that either one of us was actually into child porn.

A picture, a video, or even a quotation, without the proper context can be used in a variety of ways to sway and condition people to think in certain terms. The MSM does this to you all the time. (The MSM probably did put this photo out, to raise the level of sensationalism.)

My last spiel (above) had this kind of thing in mind. Everyone is being directed to stop thinking for themselves. ("LOOK AT THIS!... Okay that's enough, now LOOK AT THAT!")

It's the stuff they put out, IMMEDIATELY after the event - the images, the "possible motivations" etc. - that are always used to shape the narrative right from the beginning. We're deceived far too often this way.

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Yes, critical thinking has been pretty much thrown out the window these days. The "news reports" shall, it is expected, be taken at face value, and any introspection about them shall be relegated to the "conspiracy theory" pile. I don't pay much attention to these mass shootings, because there is a massively funded intelligence apparatus in the US that is capable of staging events, and the mass media are so polluted that there is no way for the public to accurately assess what is going on. The person in the picture is "guilty as charged," etc. Pathetic, no? I heartily second Devil's Advocate's comment, as well as Shad Williams's below.

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I have heard Trump's rhetoric, and that talk does not belong in the White House.

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You'll get no argument from me on that. There's a lot going on that isn't normal.

However, I continue to remind people that this craziness has been serving as a supreme distraction. It's the "Wizard of Oz" principle at work, and it has successfully kept people from focusing on a great number of things they should've been looking at. Most have simply been fixated on that vile projection in front of the curtain, while the rest of them robbed you of more money and more rights.

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Some love the screwing the people are getting. Comfortably numb, makes it easy to blame the ones who fell through the cracks. Especially with what goes for news.

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When a clear and level headed person such as Colonel Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff for Colin Powell says that 90% of the guns in the US are owned by Trump supporters, we should pay attention.

He is not suggesting that non Trump supporters should begin an all out arms race to "catch up".

Instead those on the left should stop the hating and lay bare the facts about why and how all of us been deceived.

Furthermore, I see no reason to believe that disarming the public is a sane alternative for the peoples security against the out sized police state gear up underway. The police state gear up is obviously for public security of the elites, and not the public security of the community. Our family members involved in the public (police state) protection of the elites must be given the opportunity to see that it is their own family not the families of the elites who need security and protection. They must see that it is the elites who are initiating the arms race not the community. What matters now is an appeal to the logic and imperative to revive our failed survival instincts.

I believe that people must take control of their communities first. People are awakening and the elites are becoming more brazen in their attempts to rewrite the present through their great censorship projects.

Trump and the terrorists are just the tools deployed by the elites to prevent their inevitable destruction. That is assured once we stop hating each other and then begin to act instinctively, which is to support one another, identities and all, otherwise we remain divided and ineffective.

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Something to consider.


73 people were shot last week alone in Chicago. Why do those innocent lives not get drawn into the gun control narrative?


Are those innocent lives not important enough for the Democrats? What's the difference?


Why do Dems blame everyone but the shooter?


Why do eye witnesses to the El Paso shooting report more than one shooter (up to 4 shooters) dressed in black with masks and why doesn't MSM report this? In fact, in almost all of these mass shootings eyewitness accounts differ from the media reports. MSM controlling the narrative to fit the agenda?


There had to be at least a hundred security cameras in and around the mall. Release the footage to prove the official narrative of one shooter.


False Flag Event - El Paso



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My default position now with these attacks is: it's a FF until proven otherwise.

It's a well documented technique governments use to nudge the narrative in the desired direction. WHAT government would do this to their own citizens, you ask? The same one who sends off young men to phony conflicts, Vietnam, Iraq, etc The same one who allows toxins across the board: GMOs, fracking, pharma, Flint water. The same one that allows robo signing homes away and where insurance profiteering is more important than people's health.

The anomalies with so many of these attacks can't be ignored. One red flag is the almost immediate way the authorities and MSM wrap up the incident without any proper investigation.

When NDAA was passed any pretence of good governance was shredded. In the darkest days of the Soviet gulag, the family had a right to know how long the sentence was for their relative and where they were. Not only is this information not allowed in the NDAA, more recent versions took away the right to a lawyer.

'Hand over your guns"? Who in their right mind is going to comply when we're run by the psychopaths?

Excellent comments here - thanks.

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The 21st Century "gets off to a violent start" when congress (107th) votes 420 YAY to 1 NAY for W Bush's AUMF of 2001, authorizing a deceptive president to attack any nation on earth "on his say so alone"/and torture, detain indefinitely any person without due process, murder any person he "deemed a threat", thereby stimulating endless wars abroad and sparking endless violence at home - (e.g., #IraqWar - "Fraudulent Justification" Article II/#911ExplosiveDemolitions with "Pre-Planted Explosives"), while the "powers that be" (the president, congress, federal reserve) simply would have everyone believe that "this is the new normal".

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Exactly! When a brain is working the way it should, suspicion should always be the "default" position. This goes double when you're always being given so much reason to distrust things.

Indeed, the NDAA, and the PATRIOT Act (with its 500+ pages) were both already written and waiting in the wings when 9/11 happened. Very few people seemed to question the obvious implications of that.

There are people in the shadows that won't be happy until you're all chipped, helpless and compliant to everything they have in mind.

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"There are people in the shadows that won't be happy until you're all chipped, helpless and compliant to everything they have in mind." Well those people must be pretty happy as they must be saying: "If we want your opinion we'll simply recollect what the latest opinion we gave you was." The Trumpee's have been programmed to believe they will support him no matter what he says or does, and all the controllers had to do was suggest that. Ahh the power of suggestion where the feeble minded are concerned.

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"Send Her Back", "Send Her Back", "Send Her Back", chanted Trump's supporters in response to his "Ilhan Omar," Trump had thundered, "has a history of launching vicious anti-Semitic screeds!" - wherever he goes, Trump seems to stimulate hatred and condone violence ("13 seconds in which the president, frowning and nodding, listened to the mob chant") and his "vitriol works; the crowd wants her gone. How dare she criticize Israel in this Christian country that so graciously allowed her in, only to get repaid by her hatred!" - Trump's #RacistTweets.

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Bad image of USA with all these shootings.

The USA's government does the same. Few years ago a monstrous bomb was dropped on poor country of Afghanistan. Did anybody question that?

When native Indians were shut and killed easily in Western movies many Americans considered that entertainment. A Classmate of mine, John T. who was originally from Texas, told us his grandfather used to go "Indian Hunting."

When illegal sanctions are used to suffocate millions of people in other countries, do USA citizens stand up to their government to question that?

There are advisors to President Trump who openly advocate sanctions while smiling on Fox news as if the lives other people are not important.

How about Madeline Albright saying: "killing 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

There are many good and decent people in America. These crazy acts should stop.

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Too bad all the good and decent people in America wouldn't just storm their government. Trouble is, they're probably too civilized to stoop to the same level of their government, in order to accomplish anything.

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