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Is a military coup against Trump in the cards?

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In an extraordinary US Senate hearing this week, lawmakers and military officials rounded on President Trump as being a danger to world peace due to his Commander-in-Chief powers for launching nuclear weapons.

The highlight came when the hearing was told military officers have the constitutional right to disobey the president.

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This was, in effect, an open call to mutiny against the president's authority. The Senate hearing surely counts as an outstanding moment in a year of topsy-turvy politics since Donald Trump was elected 45th President of the United States on November 8 last year. Yet that moment of potential sedition seemed to pass off as a rather humdrum event.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee held its hearings Tuesday on the legalities surrounding the presumed executive power of the president to launch nuclear missiles. It was the first time in over 40 years since such a debate was convened on Capitol Hill, not since 1976 when Richard Nixon was about to be ousted. That reference alone speaks volumes as to what lies at stake for Trump.

Time magazine ran the headline: "Should President Trump Have the Sole Power to Launch Nuclear Missiles?"

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Senator Chris Murphy (D) set the tone and purpose of the hearing by saying: "We are concerned the President of the United States is so unstable, is so volatile, and has a decision-making process that is so quixotic that he might order a nuclear weapons strike that is wildly out of step with US security interests."

Hinting at the severe constitutional implication, Murphy added: "So let's just recognize the exceptional nature of this moment, of this discussion we're having today."

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Observing that a troika (junta?) of generals is tending President Trump, who has given theatre commanders of our many wars free reign in strategy, that a general recently declared publicly that he wouldn't necessarily follow the president's orders and went without rebuke from any quarter, and with Army divisions training for operations in this country, some might conclude that a coup has already occurred.

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Military personal are under no obligation to obey unlawful orders, and indeed are obligated NOT to obey such orders. Refusing to obey an unlawful order is not "mutiny."

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I understand the principle of not obeying an illegal order but I would suggest that the context of the general's remarks suggested a degree of mutiny.

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"Basically, Trump is being painted as a nutcase with his finger on a button for Armageddon"

If the shoe fits...

If RT was a physical paper I wouldn't use it to line my bird cage.

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Agree with what's said in this article, and question also how any U.S. president can have this type of power to unlawfully start a nuclear war without checks and balances coming from somewhere.

How disappointing (and kind of horrifying) that Congress is not even trying to change this; that seems telling on many levels.

I find it fascinating that Donna Brazille gets villainized for telling the truth about what the Clinton campaign and the DNC did to Bernie Sanders and yet the DNC itself and Hillary fed the "villainization of Russia" hysteria overtaking our country (again!!!) - when it's a deflection to try to make their own hands look clean of blood. Everyone's hands had blood on them in this election, including Trump's.

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Or else, Trump visited the middle east, and the Saudi Royal Family pruned that branch of the Royal family that was fundamentalist Wahabi. the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, has just announced that war against the Jews is forbidden and Hamas is a terrorist organization. Trump's approval rating is higher than Merkel, Macron or May. There is no there, there.

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The ones in the Government Millionaires Club who are the most afraid that Trump will push the button are the same Politicians and Talking head millionaires who are against making peace with Russia. For me anyone who tells me who is my enemy is probably the real enemy of peace.

Another modern problem is once a nuke goes off anywhere by anyone the chance of stopping the retaliation by whoever is impossible because of the few minutes it takes for the missiles to hit any targets in the world. The enemy of peace is the War System.

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I agree, Jim, it is the US citizens taxes and ability to print fiat money (read Petrol Dollar) that fuels the MIC. The MIC is the enforcer which pirates booty from pillage and plunder for the captains of Empire. That is the enemy of peace, and the price is the loss of our Treasure, Commons and Inalienable Rights.......

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There is no way to have a "rational" control and command structure around nukes. No president is fit to have the red button. There has never been a president fit for this irrational exercise and none will ever be in power. There have already been instances where Russian and American military men have refused to launch or we would not be here now to talk about this. There are many good references on the subject including "Command and Control" by Eric Schlosser.

There is no rational way to schedule a launch of missiles that has to be decided in the 15 minutes from warning to Armageddon. The only launch that can be "planned" is a "preemptive" one. No president or one person should not be solely responsible in either case. In the first, it is impossible to evaluate the threat, interrupt the president's activities, brief him on the always complex and changing circumstances surrounding the decision to end humanity, and have him respond quickly enough. Present launch orders, while changing with the whims of the generals, already in several scenarios, exclude the president from the decision path when responding to an alleged attack. The only thing lost by taking the nuclear football from the Crazy Clown in Chief or future presidents is the ability to attempt a first strike.

The only "rational" solution is to get rid of all nukes. There is little chance of that since the neocons, neoliberals and other crazies in the deep state still count on them as tools for gaining world domination. Therein lies the top level of this huge problem.

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Generals and admirals always, or almost always, obey orders to commit war crimes, at least those in the US military. They have disagreed in the past, but not made meaningful objections in deed, or in words to the public. The ones doing the talking now are out of the loop, and think it means they think Trump truly is crazy, not merely willing to kill hundreds of thousands or millions like many of Trump's predecessors did, but willing to cause the deaths of many more just in USA alone. I suspect the brass are afraid of limited nuclear war, but not all out nuclear war. 6 likely consider the latter a low enough probability to ignore, and if it happens, they will escape punishment and censure by dying instead.

The US Constitution was set up to prevent the President from having this power unilaterally, and requiring a declaration of war from Congress. Previous generations of commanders conned presidents, Congresses, and the public into giving POTUS prior approval. This may or may not be Constitutional, but that never stopped anyone before, or so it seems. As USA fights wars, they have all been unconstitutional.

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Your conclusion: "not unthinkable," safe and accurate (there never has been one in almost 250 years of American History!) but it ain't going to happen. Legislative coup? far more probable.

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