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Farm Groups from Iowa, Missouri, SD, ND, and CA join Monsanto in Lawsuit after CA lists Roundup ingredient as Carcinogen

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[Note from Stephen Fox: This is all very important to me as an activist because later than the mandatory labeling on Roundup, were discussions and hearings on requiring similar labels on aspartame products, potentially a far more far-reaching decision affecting 12,000 food products and 6000 Medications, and carcinogenic. Monsanto now, Ajinomoto will be next (the world's largest maker of both Aspartame and Monosodium Glutamate). Their legal arguments will be just as specious, as absurd, as judicially rejectable, and as contemptible as Monsanto's and their Agribusiness hacks and phonies, as spelled out in this article~~~~~mark my word, on Thanksgiving 2017!]

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Teri McCall was one of many California residents to cheer all of the rulings against Monsanto. Her husband, Jack, sprayed Roundup on the family's California farm for nearly 30 years. In September 2015, Jack went to see a doctor to treat swollen lymph nodes in his neck. That day in the hospital, he learned that the swelling was caused by anaplastic large cell lymphoma (ALCL), a rare and aggressive version of non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

Three months later, Jack suffered a severe stroke due to complications with his cancer treatment. He died on Dec. 26, 2015.

In the wake of her husband's death, Teri McCall filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Monsanto, alleging the company knew about the link between Roundup and cancer, but failed to warn the public about the risk.

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"My husband Jack was very conscious of the dangers of chemicals, and his misfortune was taking Monsanto's word that Roundup was safe," said McCall at a press conference held on January 27 in Fresno following Judge Kapetan's tentative ruling.

"I don't want to see any more unsuspecting people die from cancer because they didn't know of the danger to their health from exposure to Roundup. Glyphosate in Roundup needs to be on the list of Prop 65 chemicals that are dangerous to our health so that people can make informed decisions for themselves about the risks they are willing to take. I don't believe my husband would have been willing to take that risk," McCall said.

McCall is represented in her Roundup cancer lawsuit by Baum, Hedlund, Aristei & Goldman and environmental lawyer Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.


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In 1986, California voters approved Proposition 65 to address concerns about exposure to toxic chemicals. Prop 65 requires California to publish a list of chemicals known to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm.

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The California Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment made its decision in July 2015. The agency maintains that it followed proper procedures in listing the herbicide and "stands by its decision."

OEHHA is the administrator for the Proposition 65 program and determines in many cases whether chemicals or other substances meet the scientific and legal requirements to be placed on the Proposition 65 list. The agency uses a "Labor Code" listing mechanism, which directs the OEHHA to add chemicals or substances to the Prop 65 list of chemicals known to the state to cause cancer if they meet certain classifications by the IARC.

Glyphosate is a key ingredient in Monsanto's top-selling weedkiller Roundup, and the lawsuit said 250 crops are grown using glyphosate.

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How spectacular stupid are these arguments from Monsanto and midwest agribusiness against California's mandatory labeling of poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals.


But this is all they have for arguments! And they are getting desperate, obviously, but still have loads of money to hire corporate hack lawyers to come up with specious legal arguments to countermand the truth, that the jig is up!


The US Courts of Appeal and ultimately the Supreme Court may have the final word on this.

I have published several articles here at OEN before on this subject. For example,here are two of the best ones:

Monsanto vs California: "Food Poisoning" (Testimony by Pediatrician Kenneth Stoller, MD)

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Mandatory Carcinogen warning label on Monsanto's Roundup weed killer: Coming Soon in California!

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That should read: "Spectacularly stupid," not spectacular stupid....

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They know that their arguments are spectacularly stupid. Corporations and their lawyers are pathological so have no shame. The strategy is delay. If they can delay the implementation even for a month, the profits made from that month will more than pay legal fees. Also remember the taxpayers support the court system and corporations pay little in taxes. The people of CA are the ones paying, win or lose. It is a little known distortion in our system that corporations at most pay 20% of the taxes to support the state, courts included and they use 80% of the service. Equal protection under the law?

Monsanto knows its days are numbered. That is why it is trying to merge with another grim reaper corporation, Bayer.

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Alexander: Very interesting and incisive comment, bringing up some viewpoints I hadn't considered. You should expand your comment into a 1000 word article, your first on OEN!


But, damn, you have to wonder, if these lousy legal arguments are the best they can do, even hiring top notch corporate lawyers~~~~really, is this the best they can do? Maybe they think a Trump Supreme Court will back them up, which is probably the case. Meanwhile, other nations witness the debacle and get even stronger in consumer protection....my only real hopes depend on the Midterm elections in 2018 and of course the Alabama one in about two 1/2 weeks, but the Judicial implications are alarming, aren't they? Monsanto could cruise all the way to a Supreme Court victory, with or without Clarence Thomas.


In fact, he never recused himself in earlier cases, so why should he when this s--t hits the fan in the SCOTUS? not a reassuring scenario, is it?



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Industrial agriculture, exemplified by Monsanto, is killing the human species and is as big a component in our downfall as is climate change. Science is bought and sold in this horribly corrupt country. It is amazing that the State of California can stand up to the "fake justice" lawsuits brought forth by Big Ag. "Fake news," "fake science," "fake justice," fake campaign promises: even the wise have great trouble minimizing the killing toxic stew that is being made of the living Earth.

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Thanks for the insightful comment, Chuck! Not only will CA prevail, but they will triumph well, depending on the Federal Appellate court and whether Monsanto will take it to the Supreme Court, and whether Clarence Thomas will recuse himself, since he was a former Monsanto lawyer long ago!


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Of course the argument is spectacularly stupid. Ever notice how, in the last few decades, corporations bring nothing but spectacularly stupid to the courts, and yet, still get favourable judgments!?

It doesn't matter that Monsanto is literally screwing with the world's entire food chain at the genetic level. I still expect them to be allowed to do what they're doing for some time to come.

It's almost as if they get the points, just for showing up. :(

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The question remains: WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT, TO EFFECTIVELY OPPOSE THEM? This California decision is really quite important even in a world wide context!

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Eating Well Is a Revolutionary Act.
If people really believed the correlation between good food and good health, they might figure how to afford it, and Monsanto would be starved out. Thank CA for leadership!

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Totally agree. And, I wish I had the answer to the question.

It's like with every major issue - the industries doing all the damage form large unions that come automatically packed with resource, organization, money, and friends in government, while the People are isolated (as they are just individuals), distracted by life, sidelined by all the other BS going on, and needing to self-motivate and form their own groups from the ground up, using limited funds.

Personally, I don't know why a business model such as Monsanto's was even allowed to exist.

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The first thing to do is realize just who "WE" are. Then build a movement that serves us. I believe the war is on the 'human beings', and that is our constituency. We are so focused on the 'other', and making war on 'each other', that there is no longer any unity.

Now we realize why all the divisiveness is generated. Unless we are one of 'them' (the chosen ones) we are marginalized and destroyed, one by one. That's how 'they' are defeating us.

We need to unite, and find what we have in common (our creativity and humanity), and if we do, I guarantee that we can win this, and restore our freedom. I believe it from the depths of my being. All "WE" need to do is enforce the Constitution, and stand by each other in the endeavor.

Could our Constitution be improved? Yes, but not until integrity is restored. It is a pretty good set of laws to rely on, until we can repeal the conspiracy to defraud, which is what the corps are up to. Why else would they say "the constitution is just a piece of paper"~ GW Bush. They see it as limiting their power. The constitution is more than a piece of paper, the constitution is what protects the people from the government. That and the BillOfRights, is what makes the United States, united.

Meanwhile, we need to push for Constitutional law, that is if we believe that Democracy is worth saving? I believe it is.

Capitalism, is not synonymous with democracy, capitalism must be restrained, by regulation. Freedom must be allowed to progress. That is what progressivism means to me. The question is, what do we progress from, and to.

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We can see now, how capitalism has no brain, it cannot think, it simply profits, more and more, until it runs the economy off a cliff, which it has. We have allowed our corrupt government to be controlled by even worse and more evil characters than the ones who make up the government. That's how bad it is.

I trust the people to think and act with integrity, but first they must be reminded what it means, integrity is truth. The truth is out there and we can find it. I know we can. If we allow Democracy to be thrown under the bus by Technocracy, then we will have lost our humanity. The Constitution is the bottom line. It's worth fighting for.

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Amen to that! I am a tactician and a journalist and an activist, and I can tell you clearly that what is happening in CA is the cutting edge of all consumer protection worldwide!

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The arguments by Monsanto are weak, but arguments are irrelevant to many judges. Clarence Thomas, featured in a comment by Stephen Fox, is notorious for sleeping through arguments. California is a state in which, by state law, all judges are bribable, despite the fact these laws violate the US and California Constitutions. I have not reviewed the science behind the safety or threat of glyphosate. It is my understanding glyphosate is only one of several chemicals in Roundup in concentrations far greater than people normally encounter, and the chemical cocktail has not been shown to be safe by testing.

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Yes, the proper term would be "legalized poison," but that is coming to an end, clearly. You make a very excellent point, that no matter how weak the arguments are, many judges will find a way to rule against consumer protection. However, clearly, this one in Fresno did NOT do so, and for this we thank her profusely. The referendum creating Proposition 65 is and remains pretty cut and dried, and very clear. It was not created by the California Legislature, by the way.


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The first thing to understand is that they want us all dead. I watched a 16 hour documentary on glyphosate - with interviews with docs and biologists. Since it was introduced into the food supply in 1996, all chronic disease has skyrocketed - cancer, diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's primarily. This is intentional genocide - enacted in a way that is slow enough to avoid culpability. If the global public had a clue that they were being murdered, all chemical companies would be bankrupt. This is a critical battle for all of us.

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You put it very well, Lila, and should write a longer version with "Intentional Genocide" in the title. Maybe they don't want all of us dead, but sick enough to go to the physicians who pretend not to know what are the causes....that is the really scary part, to realize the extent of the corporate manipulation and how it stretches far into the medical profession.



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actually they do. the oligarchs want just enough of us alive to be their slaves, but no more. Gates and Rockefeller have done a good job of depopulating Africa in other ways. It is no coincidence that laws in the US around "organic" designations cost the farmers and producers billions. no coincidence that all organic foods cost 300% more than gmo produce and gmo infested prepared foods. most restaurants opt for the cheapest options - gmo canola oil rather than olive oil for instance. so the oligarchs eat only organic and the rest of us who are going broke on grocery bills are forced to eat poison. literally poison. read the labels on say a box of uncle ben's wild rice or ice cream - cottonseed oil, hydrogenated corn oil, high fructose corn syrup, myriad chemical colors and flavorings. all of it is poison and will kill you.

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and PS - what is glyphosate? It is agent orange defoliator left over from the Vietnam war . Monsanto was sitting on billions of barrels of it. so decided to use it to poison the world. It not only kills the "root " of the weed - it kills all natural nutrients in the soil. Those very destroyed nutrients are why we eat vegetables at all and what protects us from disease - as mother nature intended.

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Wow! Lila, I am impressed at how well and how thoroughly you have studied and also how you continue to do your homework so diligently. I had no idea about the connection to Agent Orange, biochemically. Could you provide a source for that, please, in a reply to this comment?

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The newer variants of RoundUp contain the same "2,4-D" contained in Agent Orange.

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They keep the dose low enough to escape culpability, but to kill large numbers, all they have to do is increase the dose.

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With vaccines, GMO, aspartame, and so many harmful processes, the death toll is quite high already. Even with the lawsuits from some piling up in the courtroom in cases, nothing, by comparison, is really happening. Do you agree?

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Yes, I don't think we can depend on corporations, government, or the justice system to save us, they're all compromised. We're going to need to engage in some self defense techniques to solve this crisis.

When the streets are littered with the bodies of oligorks, and no one will clean up the bodies, leaving them to rot in the sun, humanity might have a chance to survive, and only then. They know this. We're just learning for now, but this is the only way. They will relent from their cowardly murdering ways, once we show our real power. We have not begun to fight and that is the problem.

Sound extreme? I don't think so. They attacked us humans first, killing hundreds of millions, next it will be billions, if you just extrapolate forward the kill rate.

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Please expand this comment of yours into a 1000 word article for OEN, and maybe a 650 word OpEd for some of your local papers' editorial pages!

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I no longer write articles. I only comment. I have my reasons. The above is public, feel free to repost it.

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Maybe I will quote you, in due course.

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Sad to say, but I believe you're right. Between buying only organic (which doesn't necessarily mean I can avoid glyphosate 100%) and 'looking up' many days to see the stratospheric aerosol spraying, aka chemtrails, which releases all manner of nano-particulate sized toxic metals that I (and everyone else) get to breathe, I'd say our demise is well underway. If this topic of aerosol spraying is new to you, check out geoengineeringwatch.org I don't want it to be true, but from all I've read and seen, it is. PS. Know what's on the rise? Autism and Alzheimers and they are both related to aluminum...a metal in the patented list of metals in the spray. Go figure.

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Hey, even Organic Kashi and items from Whole Foods marked Organic have Glyphosate! See also:

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Some of the available data on glyphosate levels in food comes from Narong Chamkasem, a senior chemist at the FDA, who recently released some results from his independent work examining honey . He found glyphosate in all 10 samples he tested, and some samples had concentrations more than double the 50 parts per billion (ppb) allowed by the European Union (the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency [EPA] has no standards for glyphosate in honey).

Two organic products evaluated in the report ranked at the lower end of the scale, but neither of them were on the top-five list of products found to contain the least glyphosate. Kashi Organic Promise cereal scored 24.9 ppb, while Whole Foods 365 Organic Golden Round Crackers scored 119.12 ppb.

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Two organic products evaluated in the report ranked at the lower end of the scale, but neither of them were on the top-five list of products found to contain the least glyphosate. Kashi Organic Promise cereal scored 24.9 ppb, while Whole Foods 365 Organic Golden Round Crackers scored 119.12 ppb.


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Just another example profit over people. Takes more money to hire weed-pullers than simply spray this carcinogen. Especially damning is the amount of glyphosate found in mothers' milk. Sorry, but our country really sucks.

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You are so right, but at least California has the legal machinery and the impetus coming from the experts in oncology and biochemistry, who also CARE about preventing cancer. It is also a workplace concern, as the Judge alludes to in her final ruling, so that is why at least one AFL-CIO labor union has weighed in on this issue with their support.


video: Monsanto Trying to Cover Up Deadly Health Risks of Roundup - The Ring Of Fire Study after study is showing up these days that tell us that Monsanto's Roundup is causing cancer and other extremely severe neurological defects.



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The issue regarding this is the power of corporations. We believe we are living in a democratic and free nation. That's B.S. We live in a Feudal system in which the landowners e.g., banks/corporations, are the rulers. Indeed, corporations are the result of big money. We are not ruled by a government (and shouldn't be), we are ruled by psychopaths reflected in the likes of the top 5% of income. It is they that rule this nation.

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Of course you are correct in your overall assessments about the extent of corporate manipulation, bordering on a pathological depravity.


However, what is so excellent and so refreshing about the action that California has taken is that it goes totally against the corporate current in order to protect consumers, which is what government, at its best, must do.


Monsanto's Roundup Can Alter Your DNA/Cause Cancer: Glyphosate Mike then speaks to Farron Cousins, Executive Editor of The Trial Lawyer Magazine, about California's battle against Monsanto's cancer causing ingredient in the weedkiller Roundup.



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Are those Iowan farms OWNED BY MONSANTO? MOST LIKELY

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If they aren't owned by Monsanto, they are most certainly under their aegis, i.e. using their dud seeds that can't reproduce, so the farmer has to come back every year to buy more seeds, and no doubt, also: they feel very strongly about their god given right and need to continue to use Roundup, no matter how carcinogenic those left wing crackpots out on the West Coast make it out to be....(I have family who are midwest farm folks, and I know just what they would say, although some are honorable organic farmers going back five generations).


For example: March Against Monsanto May 25, 2013 St. Paul, Minnesota Saturday May 25, 2013!


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I'd prefer to not have my food sprayed with chemicals of any kind, but is perhaps glyphosate getting a 'bad rap' here? On the flip side, one could argue that its use has greatly enhanced farmer's ability to feed us.

The article mentions this study, but why doesn't it seem to matter at all? This was a huge, long-term study of personnel directly handling glyphosate.

But what the article doesn't mention, unless I missed it, was this:

About that evidence: According to a new Reuters investigation, Aaron Blair, the scientist who led the IARC's review panel on glyphosate, had access to data from a large study that strongly suggested that Roundup did not cause cancer after all--but he withheld that data from the RoundUp review panel.

The one study that supposedly justified California listing it as a carcinogen was apparently compromised by the withholding of information, for whatever reason.

I know everyone hates Roundup, and it'd be nice if we could develop farming techniques that would make its use unnecessary, in large-scale food production. But I'm actually gratified to learn that most likely it isn't a health hazard, at least in terms of causing cancer, because I've no doubt consumed lots of downstream by-products and residues of the stuff. Fortunately, that stuff is no doubt even less likely to be a cause of cancer.

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Have all the glyphosate you wish to consumer or not consume; California is at least WARNING people about it. Farming techniques without Roundup go back 6000 years. You can convince yourself that it doesn't or in your case hasn't caused cancer, but you are not convincing me nor the State of California.


I don't believe any part of the process was compromised. That CIC committee is incredibly thorough and all kinds of experts testify, not just relying on the WHO and its cancer research institute, no, not at all.

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You appear to be responding with mostly emotion. Could you please address the specific points I raised with something a little more than that?

Yes, I know, California thinks everything under the sun causes cancer. But does that mean we should all cease use of ..... pretty much everything? Because California thinks my dining room table causes cancer, should we wholesale abandon the use of something that is arguably more beneficial than harmful?

I'm not referring to farming techniques from 4000 B.C. I'm referring to modern large scale farming that feeds millions where it used to feed hundreds.

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There is no emotion. I have dealt at length with the CIC in Sacramento. It is a evidentiary process. They are like a jury. They have to be convinced, and they are all experts on oncology, to begin with. It is that simple. My roots are from 8 generations of farmers. None of them ever used pesticides or herbicides. The chemicals are systemic. There is no way that they can not be ingested. This comment is all I have time for because I am working on helping the Democrat get elected in Alabama.

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Perhaps I need to boil my argument down. I'm not a fan of Roundup, certainly, but I'm also not a fan of regulations that are over-applied, or mis-applied, to the point of actually being detrimental.

As you point out in your article: At the center of the lawsuit is the International Agency for Research on Cancer, whose March 2015 conclusion that glyphosate is "probably carcinogenic to humans" was the trigger for California's Prop 65 listing. Under California law, the state is required to list as cancer-causing any substances classified by IARC as probable carcinogens.

As per my Mother Jones link above, the IARC did not include in its decision-making process a very important exculpatory study re: glyphosate. As a result, they made their determination, which appears to be at odds with the consensus of the rest of the scientific opinion on glyphosate.

Now, just like with thousands of other products forced to bear this damaging and in most cases inapplicable label, ordinary people suffer. It's not just the companies, but the people they employ, and the people who use their products to prosper and employ still others, and the public who benefits from the use and enjoyment of these products.

I wonder how you'd feel if things were reversed? What if the IARC had joined the rest of the world giving glyphosate a clean bill of health based on the fact that a large study proving it was carcinogenic was excluded from consideration.

So have fun there with your campaigning against Roy, which BTW I applaud you for, but don't be drinking any coffee!!

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In any judicial or administrative or quasi-judicial proceeding, all parties have recourse to have further hearings if something is left out, especially exculpatory matters.

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"This explains why IARC, a WHO subsidiary, can issue reports on cancer hazards, while the World Health Organization itself declares that the IARC study does not indicate a need for more regulation of glyphosate.......

.......So what does science tell us about glyphosate? It's not carcinogenic and is safe as used. If you question that based on the IARC hazard study, perhaps you should consider advocating bans of grapefruits, apples or night shift work."

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"The peer review group concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to be genotoxic (i.e. damaging to DNA) or to pose a carcinogenic threat to humans. Glyphosate is not proposed to be classified as carcinogenic under the EU regulation for classification, labelling and packaging of chemical substances. In particular, all the Member State experts but one agreed that neither the epidemiological data (i.e. on humans) nor the evidence from animal studies demonstrated causality between exposure to glyphosate and the development of cancer in humans.

EFSA also considered, at the request of the European Commission, the report published by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which classified glyphosate as probably carcinogenic to humans.

The evaluation considered a large body of evidence, including a number of studies not assessed by the IARC which is one of the reasons for reaching different conclusions."

That California goes forward with their classification of glyphosate in light of all the contradictions out there in the scientific community, and that they would hinge their decision on this one flawed IARC conclusion, makes me conclude that California's SLD (scaremongering label dept.) is not really grounded in science, but activism.

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Contradictions? Are you joking? No scientific body in the world has ever till now raised any regulatory objections to Roundup. Their record, those Monsanto Scientists, are the most contradictory and perfidious in the world.


So write to the CIC if you wish, but maybe you should watch this first?


Documents Show Monsanto Colluded With EPA To Hide RoundUp's Cancer Link - The Ring Of Fire Unsealed court documents have been released that reveal emails between Monsanto and officials at the Environmental Protection Agency showing the two colluding to conceal the carcinogenicity.



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That was clumsy wording on my part. What I was trying to say was that every other study besides the IARC study says that glyphosate is not carcinogenic. All other studies contradict the IARC.

And even that IARC study seems to be somewhat suspect by other bodies, including the above linked EFSA. The main rap against the IARC is that it doesn't consider dosage and how the substance is actually used, hence their assessment that night shift work is a group 2A carcinogen, like glyphosate. This explains the intended role of the IARC:

The IARC is also, by design, not supposed to make recommendations to the public. It assesses "hazard," which in scientific jargon, means something very different than "risk." David Eastmond, a toxicologist at the University of California, Riverside, uses sharks to illustrate the difference. If you have people gawking at sharks swimming around a tank in an aquarium, the sharks are a hazard, but they pose little risk. If you have a surfer on the beach with a shark, now that shark is both a hazard and a risk.

To the IARC, a shark has sharp teeth and powerful jaws, and the agency doesn't care if you're at the beach or at an aquarium. "The problem with using hazard is that it may bear no immediate relation to anything in the real world," says Geoffrey Kabat, a cancer epidemiologist at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.

What it's looking like to me, and apparently lots of others, is that California really shouldn't have used that agency's report to justify slapping labels on Roundup. I'm smelling activism, not honest science.

Your references to Monsanto 'being in bed' with the EPA are disturbing on the surface, however I think one would need to actually be able to examine and evaluate the actual communications in full. Do you know, are those actual documents available anywhere?

Because as we're learning, there's a whole lot more to this story than simply: "Whoa, the W.H.O. says Roundup causes cancer!! Start the presses and label the crap immediately! That's all I need to know!"

Step up California. Where are the warning labels at all time clocks for those doomed night shift workers!!

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You need to examine the collusion between Monsanto and the corrupted EPA. I wrote an article about this on OEN. What you are smelling is bullshit from the EPA and from Monsanto. All other studies do NOT contradict the IARC. I am not going to pursue this anymore. You can write to the CIC.



I am far far far beyond this matter and working on the Alabama Senate race. I am an art dealer, and in a little bit of spare time, I am also an alternative journalist reporting on the news, and trying to do it objectively and accurately. I don't know what you are by training, but this is the end of this dialogue. You might want to watch this video and Au Revoir!



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He pretty much tells the truth about the IARC. It's up to them to tell us that night shift work causes cancer, and up to us to weigh the real world risks of working the night shift.

So, the IARC did its job, albeit apparently by ignoring some key evidence, and the WHO at large did its job in applying real-world use to their findings and giving glyphosate a clean bill. It's the State of California that didn't do its job in properly evaluating the substance in terms of real-world use. Because I don't think there's warning signs next to time clocks, are there? Sadly, wouldn't surprise me. It's probably in the works, along with coffee cans and Starbucks.

Actually, I doubt the label will have much effect. It's become pretty much a joke to most people when they read that "The State of California has determined that your new car/house/blanket/ causes cancer", or any number of other completely stupid claims, at least in the context of real-world use. Yeah, I might get cancer if I put my nose next to the exhaust pipe of my new car and took about 20 deep breaths every morning for 20 years, but is that a realistic scenario?

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