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Faith is not an excuse, it is a gift. The Religious Conservative Right, in these morally topsy turvy days of Trump, has exchanged a gift for an alibi.

The ecclesiastical crime plays itself out day after day, week after week, month after month. The Religious Right elected a man as President of the United States that is thoroughly shot through with what heretofore would be considered by upright Christians as dire immorality and mechanistic blasphemy. He is demonstrably a liar, a fornicator and an adulterer, among other things. We have never had a President before that was not able to be more socially acceptable than a porn star.

Have we had Liars and fornicators and adulterers as Presidents before -- most probably. However, we have never had a man as publically ethically and morally fallen as Donald Trump"(Someone will probably prove me wrong -- let me make my point.) We have never had a President as publically ethically and morally fallen as Donald Trump that was wholeheartedly embraced by a grossly significant portion of American Christians.

The Christian Right is blaming faith for the horror we are now experiencing -- Trump was chosen by God. This is not faith; it is very simply using faith as an alibi and cover for racism, bigotry, uncontrollable/irrational fear, anger, xenophobia, willful ignorance, rank nationalism, white supremacy or juvenile jingoism. The Christian Right's march to Pennsylvania Avenue with Trump was devoid of love and compassion and empathy and brotherhood and charity and peace. They were not marching to the White House with Jesus -- they were marching with a beast.

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We are now going through another round of "We need to understand the Trump supporter." How are we, that cling to some bit of goodness, supposed to understand a Trump supporter, especially a Christian Trump supporter? Empirically, I have many Liberal/Progressive friends and acquaintances, it ain't gonna happen.

The proud, red cap wearing voters can prostrate themselves at the altar of the idea and true soul of America and, begging forgiveness for the heresy and social terror they unleashed on this country and its good people, they will be forgiven, maybe. Maybe is the best that can be expected after what we have all been through. What I would be concerned about if I were them is if forgiveness will be forthcoming from the Savior they have so brazenly been denying with their actions, or lack thereof?

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"And lo, they followed a wonton scoundrel all of the ages of the red crown, yet the debauched days were few and the deceived host rose up and made the foul pretender no more. No longer would the land be desolate, woefully ringing with baleful cries. Song returned..." From "The Red Crown" By Franklin Cincinnatus

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I don't feel comfortable being of the same page with Paul Craig Roberts. I'm going to make this comment as a disclaimer. He continuously dumps loads of BS on this website and does not allow challenges to it. He forbids comments.

This is one of his current unchallenged assertions: " What was the Holocaust? According to zionists, the Holocaust was National Socialist Germany's elimination of 6 million Jews by first gassing them and then cremating the bodies. It is unclear how Germany managed this feat when all of its limited and dwindling resources were employed, unsuccessfully as it turns out, on the Russian front.

Photos demonstrating the Holocaust include dead skeletal-like bodies. But these are not people gassed and cremated. These are deaths from typhus and starvation. The disintegrating German state had no food or medicines for Germans and often not for its own soldiers. Concentration camp inmates were on the bottom of the totem pole."

Whoever said that the Germans gassed and then cremated 6 million Jews?

I am certainly not an Israel apologist. This kind of stuff without debate is dangerous.

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Because P. C. Roberts refuses challenges and comments, I refuse to read his stuff.
Secondarily, because OEN is a site built to encourage dialogue, I'm not clear why P.C. Roberts 'stuff' is posted here at all.
ps: I won't challenge the Holocaust thing, cuz I'm not well-versed enough to do so. But I completely agree that pontification should be open to debate.

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When I first started participating here I was good with reading his stuff -- he allowed comments back then and he has creds. He seems to have fallen in a hole.

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Personally, I don't understand why people are getting all bent out of shape because PCR shut his comments off. Does anyone really know the circumstances which may have caused him to do so? Also, is it not his prerogative, anyway?

I appreciate what he posts, whether I agree with him or not. If, for whatever reason, he doesn't want to operate a Comments section, so be it.

He's also not posting comments on any other page, so you can't accuse him of doing a "hit and run" on anyone else.

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He didn't have the arguments when I discussed with him a while ago, got nasty.

Same thing happened apparently with others.

Eventually he asked for 'no comment' privilege.

It could be argued that he has the right to opt for no comments and we have the right not to read his articles.

Or it could be argued that the site should not accept somebody who leaves no space for discussion.

Anyway, PCR is generally wrong, just a Reagan conservative who got dumped there and now tries to sell his goods elsewhere. Remnant of Reagan's crew.

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Paul Craig Roberts gained a lot of credibility on progressive websites because, after being a hard core Reagan economist, he reformed a bunch of years later.

Times change, people get older, and bodies and minds break down at some point. As a senior citizen who (I hope) is not too far gone, I see some of that in myself. PCr is 79 now. (I apologize for lower case r; google demands OFF is the correct acronym.) Several years ago, I noticed that PCr columns veered into the crazy zone too often, and shortly afterward comments were forbidden. I decided not to waste me time reading his stuff anymore due to lack of correction by community.

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Richard, yeah, I understand. I'm 61 and things are starting to go.

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PCR occasionally makes some good points, but he has his blind spots like everyone else. I remember calling him out on some of those blind spots when comments were allowed. He doesn't take push back well as I recall.

Regarding Trump, he is a reflection of the corruption and depravity that has captured this country along with many others. We are suffering under the dictatorship of money. Yes, he is everything you say, but the rest of Washington and Wall St. are just as bad, they just do a better job of public relations. We have been rolled by these forked tongued pretenders for far too long. The normalization of the absurd has been ingrained to the point no one notices until it's shoved in our faces.

It's time to confront the entire hollow edifice of power, not just the current face of it.

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Lois, agree.

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Unquestioned faith is for people who lack the ability or willingness to think for themselves. It is one thing to respect an axiom which seems to be true as long as there is no evidence to the contrary. But, one should always review the evidence for truth from time to time. It is my observation Faith based arguments are far too often cited as arguments for psychopathic viewpoints.

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Richard, I think spirituality is an inevitable and important part of being Human. However, it can be practised as a Hasidic Jew teaching in a Yeshiva or it can be a fly fisherman casting. Like I say above, it's accepting and marveling over the mystery that makes it healthy. Dogma and orthodoxy have the potential to breed "psychopathic viewpoints."

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According to neo-liberal Western ideology, the foundational basis of a Jewish state (or, any theocratic state in its orbit; founded on a dogma), is entitled to base its right to exist on the dogmatic orthodoxy of blind faith belief, as in the Old Testament. Even the notion of a Corporate entity, rests factually on a fallacious orthodoxy?

Does one require a church based institutional religion before "accepting and marveling over the mystery" of life?

Spirituality is a foundational essence of humanity!

However, comparing fishing and religious practices as if they belong in the same creel is an absurd comparison. Though they both be actions, fishing only harms the "lesser" animal.

In the case of Israel, as the world has witnessed for generations now, religious dogma and orthodoxy have bred "psychopathic actions" against an entire people. Genocidal behavior in the name of religion is not equivalent to fishing.

And, as is obvious, from first-hand observation of American experience too, psychopaths have no conscience.

All of the above are words, mere words! Cheek of the Tongue unrestrained!

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"Spirituality is a foundational essence of humanity!' -- I like this.

"However, comparing fishing and religious practices as if they belong in the same creel is an absurd comparison." How could this possibly be an absurd comparison? You are making the assumption that a fly fisherman cannot be meditative or introspective while fishing. What is Spirituality after all? You appear to be defending the "gotta sit in church" notion?

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I appreciate that you relate positively to an aspect of what I am trying to get across.

Re: your line "You appear to be defending the "gotta sit in church" notion?"

Quite the contrary! "Does one require a church based institutional religion before "accepting and marveling over the mystery" of life?"

Perhaps this sentence is not as clear for you as it was to me at the time I wrote it?

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Sorry If I misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

good be on you

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Faith is a belief mostly kind approach towards the fellow beings. Trump has been doing the opposite: he is massacring people by his own illegal and illogical diktats

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..."faith" is a "gift"...?

...I'd rather call it a mental defect or similar...what kind of nonsense is this...?

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One's nonsense is another's creed.


An open mind to be open must be truly open -- which doesn't mean that one has to agree or accept but simply acknowledge.

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Yes Sir.

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