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Does Loving Truth Make You Hostile to Religion?

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In Monday's US Supreme Court decision regarding the Christian baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, MASTERPIECE CAKESHOP, LTD., ET AL. v. COLORADO CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION ET AL., Justice Kennedy stated that the Christian owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, Jack Phillips, had his sincerely held religious beliefs disparaged by one of the Colorado Human Rights commissioners who first heard the case in 2012 when the gay couple, Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins, filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

Kennedy took issue with a statement made by a commissioner who pointed out that religion has historically been used to promote all types of discrimination against people. Kennedy sees this statement of fact as "religious hostility" towards the Christian cake shop owner. Since it is a statement of fact that religions have been, and continue to be, used to discriminate against people, we are forced to answer the question Kennedy and the US Supreme Court avoids: do we value truth?

If we value truth, we must do all we can to promote it. To not promote it, we are showing we do not really love or value truth.

There are many ways we can promote truth regarding religion. For example, when we hear gay Christians claim that Christianity embraces everyone and that Jesus loved everyone, we need to point out the anti-gay teachings that are in print in the Bible, such as Leviticus 20:13 which commands the killing of gay men. We also need to point out how Jesus referred to the ungodly and cruel Hebrew Bible/Old Testament as "the word of God" (Mark 7:13) when he was attacking the Pharisees for not following the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament command to kill children who curse their parents.

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Likewise, when we hear women promoting Christianity, we need to ask them what they think of the misogynistic teachings the Bible promotes. A good example, out of many, to start with is 1 Timothy 2:11-12 which teaches:

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

In the verses after these, the root cause of this misogyny is shown: the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament. Verses 13 and 14 state:

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For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

The foolish belief that Adam was formed before Eve is based on the second creation myth found at Genesis 2:20-23 which claims God took a rib out of Adam and used it to make Eve. This Bible story is in contradiction to the Bible story at Genesis 1:27 which claims God made Adam and Eve at the same time.

In The Age of Reason, The Complete Edition, Thomas Paine points out the importance of truth. Paine wrote:

Something more therefore is necessary than mere cry and wholesale assertion, and that something is TRUTH; and as inquiry is the road to truth, he that is opposed to inquiry is not a friend to truth. The God of truth is not the God of fable; when, therefore, any book is introduced into the world as the Word of God, and made a groundwork for religion, it ought to be scrutinized more than other books to see if it bear evidence of being what it is called. Our reverence to God demands that we do this, lest we ascribe to God what is not His, and our duty to ourselves demands it lest we take fable for fact, and rest our hope of salvation on a false foundation.

Our love and appreciation for the truth gives us the need to do our best to promote what is true and to point out what is false even in regards to religion.

 

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It comes down to valuing truth or valuing man-made religions that promote lies and untruths. Our reason and conscience tell us to value and promote truth to the best of our ability.

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Truth is certainly important, and truth CAN be threatened in a number of ways by certain religious practices, BUT that issue has absolutely nothing to do with the bakeshop argument. It was about 2 completely different things:

1) freedom of religion

2) freedom to operate a private business as one sees fit.

The question was whether or not a private business operator was compelled to violate his own religious beliefs (regardless of what any of us think about them) and execute a request he wasn't comfortable with.

You're jumping on the wrong bandwagon here.

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This article is about the reason Justice Kennedy listed as the deciding factor in the court's ruling. That reason was the Colorado commissioner who made statements of fact regarding the history of religious persecution and discrimination against people. Kennedy and the US Supreme Court sees that statement of fact as "religious hostility". Since the Christian baker is a follower of one of those offending "revealed" religions, the point made by the commissioner was definitely on point. As just one historically important and historically recent example is the last person murdered by the Spanish Inquisition, the Deist Cayetano Ripoll, who was hanged on July 26, 1826 for heresy via Deism and for teaching other people about Deism ( sm.com/martyrfordeism.htm ).


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Maybe, but there's no real connection going on there.

In the end, it all comes down to the fact that a private business isn't obligated to accommodate EVERY request made of it... period (no disqualifiers). The religion question even becomes immaterial at that point.

The "history" may be correct, but it has little value in this argument. I know Kennedy also made reference to this case's "obvious vehicle problems".

The gay customers were not being denied any rights afforded to them, however, forcing the baker to comply with them would have resulted in denying 2 of his legal rights.

To clarify, I think the baker's either a religious zealot or simply an a**hole. If I were in his position, I would have accommodated the request, but that's me. I just don't see a "legal" reason to do so.

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I would hope that as a Christian, I would have no trouble taking care of the needs of all people regardless of their religious persuasion or even lack of one. Since when does being in business require you share a religious persuasion?

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What if the gay couple thought, "this baker is a jerk and a bigot, I sure as hell won't give him my business'? But sometimes we may not have that choice. From the business owners point of view, must one serve everybody? Well, the Civil Rights act which required restaurant owners to serve blacks like everyone else, seemed to settle that question. Would the restaurant owner at that time have argued that the Bible or his preacher told him that blacks are not really human so he doesn't have to serve them. And would the court have ruled that ending segregation violated Jim Crow's religious freedom? As to the larger issue, facts plus logic should be the criterion, however, all ideologies, whether political, religious, economic,whatever favor belief over truth. If there is such a thing as Original Sin, that might be it.

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Thanks for you thoughtful post. Your statement regarding belief over truth reminded me of this statement by President Kennedy: "Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."


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I'll follow the words of Jesus over Thomas Paine any day.

Many people find things they don't like in the Bible so they

dismiss it as untrue. Thomas Paine won't save our wretched

souls and neither will human reasoning.

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What words of Jesus? IF Jesus really did exist as a man, he never wrote anything himself, so all you have to go on are what other people wrote regarding what he said, which is mere hearsay. The gospels were written between 66-110 years after the time it is claimed Jesus died.


The Bible was compiled after Roman Emperor Constantine ordered the Christian leaders to decide on a final canon of Christianity and paid them for 50 copies. Here's a link to an article about the ungodly origins of the Bible: sm.com/bibleorigins.htm (The second counter-rebuttal does a great job of documenting the Bible's ungodly origins.)


When you state "human reasoning" it makes me think you believe people gave reasoning to themselves. Don't you think that our innate reason came from The Supreme Intelligence/God? The American revolutionary hero and Deist, Ethan Allen, made an important statement about reason in his outstanding book Reason: The Only Oracle of Man. Allen wrote, "Those who invalidate reason, ought seriously to consider, whether they argue against reason, with or without reason; if with reason, then they establish the principle, that they are laboring to dethrone; but if they argue without reason, (which, in order to be consistent with themselves, they must do,) they are out of the reach of rational conviction, nor do they deserve a rational argument."


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You know I'm so glad that some may consider me ignorant. Be that as it may, but what I read in the Bible and hear from the pulpit I believe is from God. I don't know about the questioners, but I'm glad I'm a believer.

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