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Cheney gets to say "it offends the hell out of me that the Obama administration has decided to investigate prisoner abuse by the CIA" and it is an "outrageous political act that will demoralize the intelligence community to the point where "nobody's going to sign up for those kinds of missions."

Cheney knows that he got the masses to believe that Hussein was involved in 9/11 and if he gets a chance that he will get this propaganda to stick also. A June poll by the Associated Press found that 52 percent of Americans said torture was sometimes or often justified to obtain information from terror suspects, which shows Cheney that his hypocrisy is working. Lie to those whose life is consumed in a daily struggle for survival often enough and gradually they will believe any lie that appeals to their hatred of others.

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The GOP admits to using "EIT"--which is shorthand for torture, on 3 detainees. Only one is enough for them to qualify for war criminals. Don't listen to arguments about getting information from the terrorists only as a result of waterboarding. It is still war crimes.

It is obvious they committed war crimes. Cheney and Bush verbally during their exit interviews, not only admitted--but boasted of, torturing detainees. They also left written documentation. The article "Fighting Terrorism Fairly and Effectively" at

http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2008/11/16/fighting-terrorism-fairly-and-effectively

lists these documents that W's crew generated "The September 17, 2001, Executive Order that reportedly authorizes the CIA's secret detention, interrogation, and rendition program.

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President Bush's February 7, 2002, Order stating that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to Taliban detainees or to al-Qaeda and excusing cruel treatment in cases of 'military necessity'.
Letter to Alberto Gonzales, Counsel to the President, from John Yoo, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, OLC, on the applicability of the Convention Against Torture (July 22, 2002) (not yet public).
Two August 1, 2002, Jay Bybee/John Yoo-authored OLC memos to the CIA authorizing abusive interrogation techniques.
March 13, 2002, Jay Bybee-authored OLC memo to William Haynes, II, Defense Department General Counsel, reportedly authorizing renditions to torture and abuse.
Three 2005 Stephen Bradbury-authored OLC memos authorizing aspects of the CIA interrogation program.
Executive Order 13440, issued July 20, 2007, which authorizes the CIA to maintain a secret detention program using interrogation techniques that have been prohibited by the military."

With this list there is no point in going after the minor functionaries.

Every red state dolt knows what guilt by association is. I didn't vote for a failed hack politician--Cheney, and his puppet Bush 43, to declare that the US constitution is quaint and decide that enemy combatants can be tortured. I can understand how a terrorist can be told that every US citizen is responsible for every torturing of detainees as the country as a whole voted the war criminals in 2 times, but I don't want to be associated with Cheney and his crew.

The article "Report reveals Cheney misled about 'trained interrogators'" at

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/26/report-reveals-cheney-misled/

has a senior homeland security adviser to Bush 43 admitting that no one knows if "EIT" can receive credit for the fact the US has not suffered a major terrorist attack since 9/11 as it states "It's very difficult to draw a cause and effect, because it's not clear when techniques were applied versus when that information was received," Frances Townsend reportedly told CNN. "It's implicit. It seems, when you read the report, that we got " the most critical information after techniques had been applied. But the report doesn't say that."


The omnipresent, disgraced V.P. Cheney likes to lie about how well run "EIT" was but as the article continues "With just two weeks of training, or about half the time it takes to become a truck driver, the CIA certified its spies as interrogation experts after 9/11 and handed them the keys to the most coercive tactics in the agency's arsenal," the Associated Press reported Tuesday.
"It was a haphazard process, cobbled together in the months following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington by an agency that had never been in the interrogation business," the AP report continued. "The result was a patchwork program in which rules kept shifting and the goals often were unclear."

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Truck drivers get their work monitored by supervisors but these "EIT" villains did not have their crimes evaluated.

The article "Will Eric Holder's investigator hang Dick Cheney?" at

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/23495

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