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Climate change deniers, who are these people?

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As I read articles on climate change from the likes of Dahr Jamail, Naomi Klein and the latest being Paul Street's, "Climate Denial Will Kill Us" [1] , my thinking often digresses to who are these people.

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With so much irrefutable evidence provided by esteemed climate scientists how is it possible for people to remain in climate denial? Maybe we should ask the "Donald", himself a chief climate change denier.

What follows here is simply one man's hypothesis on climate change deniers:

Firstly they're supremely anti-intellectual, distrusting scientific evidence, even ridiculing it. Many reject evolution, are "creationists" and believe the earth is 10,000 years old. They even have a creation museum in eastern Kentucky showing man walking with dinosaurs.

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Further many/most are deeply religious fundamentalist Christians who seem to take the bible-New Testament- literally and in particular the Book of Revelation, the end days, Armageddon, Tribulation, Apocalypse, false prophet, anti-Christ, Satan, the second coming of Christ et al. So for them why worry about climate change when the 2nd coming of Christ is in their future and they'll be saved.

In the early 1970's I read a book titled, "The Late Great Planet Earth", by Hal Lindsey to get some idea of what those fundamentalist Christians were apparently believing what was in our future.

As I remember it in particular just before some fiery apocalypse all true believing Christians will miraculously be transported above it all saving them while all those left on Earth will perish.

I could not help thinking at the time there were some 6 billion people. Though most people in the world were Christians say 25%, the majority 75% were non Christians.

I thought what sort of God would condemn billions of people to a fiery end and save only his flock?

When one thinks about it "saving" only true believing Christians was condemning, condescending, elitist, smug and downright hateful toward billions of people who weren't Christians. This coming from those god fearing, true believing Christians. Hardly something they would normally see themselves as being.

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Today there's some 9 billion people, over a billion Muslims, Hindu's, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, who also believe in God but certainly aren't Christians.

Occasionally I'll hear or read about an "end days" scenario about to befall us. Apparently the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 was a harbinger of the coming "end days". I suppose some believe Obama was the false prophet, the anti-Christ, maybe Satan himself. How about "Dubya" Bush's endless war on terror or all of America's endless wars. Are they harbingers of the "end days"?

Supposedly "Dubya" was a true believer himself as is current Vice President Mike Pence.

I read somewhere America is the most church going people of all democratic countries in the West. Most Europeans are not church goers.

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The only explanation I have to offer is that they are goddamn imbeciles. Sadly, I blame myself in good part for having been in education for 25 years and not made any serious changes to it, other than getting my ass fired! PS. My single possibly redeeming factor is that I am trying to finish my teaching manuscript, for serious teachers in public schools or even private schools or even at home, based on things I found to work across the board.

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Best wishes on this noble endeavor, Daniel. Lord knows how important it is to open the gates of knowledge to our young ones. If we could instill the desire to learn and the desire to keep learning life-long, what great changes could happen!

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My favorite teacher story is from when I taught school in Wisconsin; therefore, I believe it to be true:

First year in a new school, teacher places a large waste basket in the middle of the doorway.

(Naturally, kids will walk around it.)

Teacher walks into the room about a minute after the bell, kicks the waste basket across the room. Shouts: "Who put that goddamn waste basket in the doorway?"

(Silence.)

The good old days were different to be sure, and with better results.

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Skal, Norges!

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I don't mind denigrating silly beliefs.

It is the ultimate mania to wish for the death of billions (religion) or to cause it (corporate government). No surprise these groups teamed up. Lunatics!

I don't believe for a minute that any of them 'don't believe' in global warming. That's just the divisive propaganda for knuckleheads. They know it, they spread it, and they root for it.

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"With so much irrefutable evidence provided by esteemed climate scientists how is it possible for people to remain in climate denial?"

Before presuming to lecture us on the irrefutable conclusions of 'esteemed scientists', perhaps the author should reconsider his own brand of religious clinging regarding the subject of 9/11.

Because there's not a single solitary legitimate chapter, society or association of professional engineers, not to mention those devoted to architecture or building demolition, that would agree with him there. As with climate change deniers, there's merely a relative handful of rogue questionably credentialed individuals. Most of whom, like the climate change deniers receiving funding from oil companies, have ulterior motives, such as books to sell or donate buttons for you to click.

So if we're going to rely on science, and dismiss debunked religious and/or politically motivated dogma, let's at least be consistent, might we be?

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The premise of "climate change" is that human activity has resulted in a warming of the planet that would not otherwise have occurred. Like most contentions, this one is open to debate. And both sides have a good number of adherents. It is natural for one side or the other to assert that it has the truth, and to demonize the other, although that is not what one could call being intellectually honest. What we seek is an honest appraisal of the premise. The alarmist rhetoric by the "climate change" or "global warming" proponents is perhaps another battering ram in that side's attempt to force their argument through without proper review or debate. The infantile name calling by that contingent, the coining of the phrase "climate change deniers," is, I am afraid, not to its credit. It indicates a sort of desperation, and an attempt to win the day by painting the opposing side in an uncomplimentary light.

The author wishes to use what I would agree are bizarre doctrinal positions of a certain contingent of Christians, which he calls fundamentalist Christianity, to paint all of those he calls "climate deniers" with an anti-intellectual bias. Unfortunately, there is no rational basis for doing so. He has no polling information to cite the percentage of those he calls "climate deniers" that adhere to such beliefs. But he wishes to paint the entire population of those who refuse to sign on to climate change or global warming as people with the irrational beliefs he cites.

The entire article, lacking in commas where they ought to be, replete with phrases such as "climate deniers" (I think he means "climate change deniers), and other idiosyncrasies, does not strengthen the argument of the author, if you can indeed call it an argument.

One of the problems we Americans face is the poor quality of education our population receives. It is geared to a rather wrote knowledge that often leaves behind insight, creativity, critical thinking, and a number of other important qualities of a good education. Thus, we have people who believe the earth is flat. But as the reasons for why educated people believe the earth is roundish (I believe it was Newton who proposed an oblate spheroid as the actual shape, while an article in the New York Times many years ago said it was slightly pear shaped) is obscure, it is natural for people to revert to the theory that best explains their everyday realm of observation. It has not been shared with them why the scientific tradition has concluded that the earth is round. To shoot them down by calling them flat earthers is not really the proper way to address their doubts, in my opinion. One should use rational and informed argumentation, while at the same time respecting their viewpoint. This might be an approach for both sides, and failure to adopt this approach may be evidence that there is weakness in the arguments of one side or another.

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Good for you, Peter. I didn't want to enter the fray but your comprehensive rebuttal incentivizes me!

I will make only a few points to supplement your comments:

1. The deniers are denying neither climate, nor climate change. They are denying (a) there is convincing observable evidence of catastrophic global warming, aka unidirectional climate change and/or (b) the assertion any such warming is due mainly to human activity.

2. The believers/alarmists are indeed getting desperate, running out of argument and turning to abuse, because their end is nigh predictions are wearing thin after three decades.

3. Their self-righteous fury is better directed at their own government (and I don't mean this particular government) for lecturing to the world about fossil fuel celibacy while continuously plundering the oil and gas resources of other nations for decades at an unspeakable human toll. Please, if you have the courage of your conviction, go descend on Washington DC, haul out your cynical duplicitous warmongers and hang them from the nearest solar-powered lamp posts. Then come back and pontificate to the rest of us.

4. How's the warming doing out there these days? Just the weather, is it? But the California fires were climate you say? What a tangled web we weave!

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I'm thankul the weaving doesn't produce garments to wear for warmth. So many
holes.

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