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Lackluster Biden Makes Huge, Sinister News

Joe Biden's throwing his hat in the presidential ring is probably the most significant news story of 2019. And not in a good way. What made it so significant--and what no writer I know of has yet dared to say--is that it proves the criminal contempt of Biden, the Democratic Party establishment, and their servile corporate media for addressing humanity's climate emergency.

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Clueless Joe's own "middle ground" climate policy--what renowned climate activist Bill McKibben insightfully calls "code for pro natural gas"--is itself bad enough. In the face of a global climate emergency, which Climate-Destroyer-in-Chief Donald Trump has worked tirelessly to worsen, half-measures involving a long-term commitment to climate-menacing fracked natural gas are blindly irresponsible. (As McKibben insightfully notes, a rejection of fracked natural gas is the key litmus test to determine whether any Democrat presidential hopeful has a serious climate change policy.) That Biden and corporate liberal media can even portray such "do almost nothing" policies in the face of planetary crisis as "middle ground" is sleazy propaganda disguising their own dangerous extremism-- an extremism progressives and climate activists must make 2020 voters keenly aware of.

But what makes Biden even more dangerous--what makes lackluster Joe, paradoxically, an existential threat to civilization--is precisely that establishment Democrats and their media lackeys are working feverishly to force the 2020 nomination of someone so lackluster. In other words, someone so incapable of inspiring interest or passion--except among hard-core corporate Democratic loyalists--that he's extremely capable of losing to Donald Trump. Thereby prolonging the most dangerous administration--in anti-freedom and anti-democracy terms, not just climate ones--on record. Irresponsibly greasing the skids for a candidate so electorally vulnerable to climate terrorist Trump amounts to collusion in Trump's climate terrorism. Deeply ironic, for a Democrat establishment that tragically wasted so much precious public time (time better devoted to soul-searching analysis of its 2016 loss to Trump, to say nothing of urgent issues) on its witch hunt for evidence of Trump's "collusion" with Russia.

Such a menace is Biden to serious, responsible climate policy--as best represented by a strong Green New Deal--that his selfish, reprehensible decision to run for president overcame all reservations I had about joining Bernie or Bust 2.0, the updated 2020 version of the 2016 Bernie or Bust movement I co-founded. While I eventually left the 2016 movement because Adolph Reed forcefully convinced me electing Trump was too great a risk, this time I won't rescind my refusal to vote for Biden. Why? Because the Democrat establishment has rejected with contempt abundant chances to repent of its pro-corporate, anti-progressive, anti-climate sins, and nominating someone as dangerous to effective climate action as Biden shows a purely evil will to embrace and double down on those sins. As Bill McKibben brilliantly said, "We've run out of elections to waste," and a presidential contest between such climate policy empty suits as Trump and Biden would be a suicidal waste of the timeliest election for climate policy ever.

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I feel morally obligated to stave off establishment Democrats' extortion in favor of a catastrophic, civilization-menacing "Empty Suit Election" by wholeheartedly embracing the electoral counter-extortion of Bernie or Bust 2.0. Unless we can preemptively destroy Biden's nomination by massively pledging our refusal to vote for him in the 2020 general election, climate's only remaining hope--with either Trump or Biden as president--is millions of us joining the Extinction Rebellion (XR) and shutting US society down. Joe Biden fully deserves to be the face on XR's recruiting poster, by far the most compelling reason to join that movement now.

We need to be ready if Bernie or Bust's electoral counter-extortion fails. But readers first need to understand the reprehensible establishment Democrat extortion that compels such a radical, risky measure as electoral counter-extortion.

Anti-Democracy Brutality: Establishment Democrats' Electoral Extortion

Before the Sunrise Movement and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, with their brilliant, splendidly executed protest at Nancy Pelosi's office, put the Green New Deal (GND) on the political map, I was desperately scrounging for a rallying banner to organize a progressive resistance movement to our political system--a movement "Orange Menace" Trump should have long ago provoked. Seizing on Ralph Nader's theme of a "Rat's Revolt," I briefly explored the idea of building a movement to "rat out" Democrats' electoral extortion. Because establishment Democrats used such extortion to shove Hillary Clinton--a corrupt, sanctimonious, hypocritical anti-populist elitist--down progressives' unwilling throats in 2016, they're forever complicit in fake-populist Trump now being president.

As a mass movement rallying banner, the positive, visionary GND is vastly more promising than a narrow, negative attack on Democrats' electoral extortion. Accordingly, I abandoned my "ratting-out" scheme to throw my energies behind the GND. But the Democrat electoral extortion I was hoping for a movement to "rat out" remains very real; in fact, it remains the foremost obstacle to all progressive agendas--above all, the ultra-progressive GND. Inevitably, this makes crushing the GND via electoral extortion a dire urgency for the corporate Dem establishment. And--now that anti-GND electoral extortion is incarnated in Joe Biden--it opens up a role (alongside Sunrise's GND promotion) for the anti-Biden counter-extortion of Bernie or Bust 2.0.

As a package of long-popular progressive policies logically gathered under the umbrella of effective climate action, the GND is an existential threat to everything corporate Democrats stand for. They know citizens scorned under current climate-destroying policies are never going to rally behind hugely costly climate-mitigation programs where their needs are, if anything, more severely neglected. The Yellow Vest movement in France illustrates the fierce popular blowback awaiting elite attempts to address the climate crisis while preserving savage, deeply entrenched economic inequalities. US Republicans exploit average people's terror of bearing the costs of climate emergency by simply assuming these savage inequalities will continue; of course, the plutocrat-first policies of both major parties make that unimaginative assumption all too plausible.

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The GND slashes the Gordian knot of popular opposition to desperately urgent but extremely costly climate action by overthrowing current inequalities with ambitious populist programs--making effective climate action (which most voters actually want) a benefit rather than a bitter pill for average people. Its unbeatable combo of fairness and feasibility make it an existential threat to the moneyed elites controlling both major parties. Being badly outgunned on the fairness issue, Republican and Democrat establishments alike focus on attacking the GND's feasibility. Being much less leftist--seeing runaway economic inequality as much less of a problem than Democrat voters--Republican voters are much readier to swallow elite pooh-poohing of GND feasibility without question.

Facing a much more restive voter base--voters demanding both greater economic equality and urgent climate action far more than Republicans--Democrats can't repress GND populism merely by tired media propaganda pooh-poohing its feasibility. Especially not when the party has nationally known presidential candidates like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (though Sanders far more visibly) trumpeting the GND's populist merits and doability.

The ultimate solution? Rig the nominating process for political DINOsaur Joe Biden, a brand-name reliable corporatist with political worldviews so outmoded the GND doesn't even appear on his radar. Then, having brutally disenfranchised (by nominating Biden) all voters demanding the GND, extort their votes for a candidate they find repulsive and clueless by insisting that only by voting for Biden can they stave off the horror of another four years of Trump. Inciting the festering resentment of large sectors of their base (by disenfranchising their aspirations and then extorting their votes) did not help Democrats defeat Trump in 2016, and there's little reason to think the same anti-democracy coup--made more insulting by repetition--will pay off in 2020.

For readers who'd like a more detailed view of how Democrats will exercise pro-Biden (and anti-Sanders) electoral extortion in the 2020 race, Paul Street's recent CounterPunch column provides an almost exemplary ten-item list (though Street merely sums up these "ten related lines of attack" as "nasty stuff" and doesn't brand the process electoral extortion). For purposes of illustrating Democrat extortion here, probably Street's most significant "lines of attack" are his first and second ones: 1) the "absurdly large number" of Democratic candidates and 2) the resulting likelihood no candidate will win the nomination on first ballot, meaning superdelegates will enter the process on second ballot and decide the nominee. While Street rightly portrays this as an anti-Sanders measure (and therefore an anti-GND one), it will almost certainly result in Biden's nomination, since Biden (who won't even pay lip service to the GND) is the wet dream of party hacks whose chief heart attack risk is President Sanders enacting the GND.

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My talk of Biden being on the recruiting poster for Extinction Rebellion isn't just rhetoric. In a follow-up article, I'll discuss the interrelated roles the Sunrise Movement, Bernie or Bust 2.0, and the Extinction Rebellion can and should play in fighting for the Green New Deal in the face of a catastrophic Trump vs. Biden "Empty Suit Election" in 2020.

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The problem with Biden is that, like Stalin, if you embalm him, his ruddy presence will resonate like a copperhead snake in a bottle of formaldehyde.

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Why are people misspelling his name? It's not Biden, it's Buyed-In. That's because he has buyed into each and every part of neo-liberal capitalism.

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Proving the DNC is grossly out of touch with Biden as their front-runner they are doing a Hillary redux as they silence Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.

When looking for a candidate to win the 2020 remember the main rule If the DNC is pushing a candidate, reject them!

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Your wise rule might prove important if movement rejection (not just Bernie or Bust 2.0 but movements like Sunrise) can destroy Biden's candidacy. Of course, his own proneness to gaffes might aid in doing that.

If Buyed-In implodes (a thing devoutly to be wished), we'll really need to keep a sharp eye on who the DNC supports. I'm willing to bet the house on it not being Bernie!

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Wasserman-Schultz wants to kick him out of the party... LOL.

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Buddigieg or Beto, I'm betting. Maybe Harris, but she seems to not have a lot of traction.


Buddigieg is an empty suit, as well, but he is "appealing", especially to the centrists.

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Since I will never in the remainder of my life support any duopoly candidate in the United States, and as a supporter of a free press to publish whatever they want no matter how childish and reckless the ideas they espouse, I heartily endorse the abolishment of both Democratic and Republican parties from existence. Neither has a single representative that has embraced the need for the continuation of the human race. Joe Biden is no better and no worse than any of them. Only a third party candidate will receive any vote of mine, or any support of any kind. In the meanwhile, any political rhetoric in support of these duopoly candidates will be utterly ineffective in convincing me of the sanity of the publication. Extinction is now down to the killing of living species at a rate of 8 per hour and increasing exponentially with a doubling period of 40 years. 8,900,000 species remain. Homo Sapiens, even as the last of these to die on Earth, will achieve that objective in this century.

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Are you implying that MY ideas here are childish and reckless? If so, you'd do a service to readers (and me) by simply saying that.

Frankly, I can't think of a statement more childish and reckless than saying that Biden is no better and no worse than any of them. That amounts to saying policy, donors, and track record don't matter. Virtually all sane voters and political analysts believe they do; what special enlightenment do you have to imply that they don't?

I share your loathing of both major parties, but the Democratic Party has an insurgent wing (largely inspired by Sanders) that doesn't deserve to be counted as part of the loathed duopoly. In fact, their danger to the loathed duopoly is why establishment Democrats hate them--and why viable political movements should be built around supporting them. Third parties will gain ZERO traction if they don't embrace and appeal to supporters of progressive insurgent Democrats, as Jill Stein wisely realized in 2016. Insurgent supporters and Greens are really part of the same progressive cause; we just differ on strategy and tactics. Simply wishing the duopoly would go away is neither a strategy nor a tactic; it strike me as childish--but as too impractical and disengaged with the real world to be reckless.

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I couldn't care less about New World Order criminal Joe Biden. The issue is that anthropogenic global warming constitutes a lie--pure and simple. Globalist oligarchs created that lie, and continue selling it, to perpetuate their goal of a totalitarian one-world government.

Credible scientists know that carbon dioxide is an essential ingredient to photosynthesis and human respiration. Only junk scientists maintain otherwise.

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And I couldn't care less about science-denying idiots. I don't know why you bother commenting under my articles, which generally attract informed intelligent readers.

You're either paid or a brainwashed ideologue--possibly both--and neither speaks well for you. As for your trolling my articles, this is the last time I feed you. Enjoy like in Cloudcuckooland.

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You haven't "fed me" anything. You can't even debate a topic on which you claim expertise without resorting to ad hominems. Anthropogenic global warming is a total sham. I defy you to prove otherwise.

You can't, though. And you know it.

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When did you hear me claim expertise? I simply trust the overwhelming verdict of well-established science, as ALL intelligent, responsible amateurs do. The clearest sign of being a moron is not knowing the limits of your own expertise. Intelligent climate nonspecialists know "debates" between unqualified scientific amateurs are stupid and pointless. For a responsible, thinking person like me to debate a brainwashed Heartland Institute robot like you--who've never had an independent thought in years--is simply lowering my dignity as a rational being. All the hogwash you'd parrot was long ago refuted by mainstream climate science, represented on sites like Skeptical Science. Why I'd waste time rushing back to Skeptical Science to rebut your latest hogwash from Heartland is beyond me.

Speaking of hogwash, what applies here is simply the old wisdom, "Never wrestle with a pig. You'll only get dirty, and the pig loves it." Heartland robots like you are simply the slimiest of pigs.

I needed to make this statement once and for all, but now we're truly done.

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When you write an article on a topic, and then proceed to lambaste with ad hominems one who disputes the validity of said topic, that connotes a certain degree of expertise--whether or not you care to admit it.

I notice you still have failed to provide any legitimate proof to confirm anthropogenic global warming, despite confessing to an admiration for the groupthink mentality of so-called "well-established" science. That amuses me...particularly, when I consider that the scientists who have broken away from your "well-established" scientific community invariably refer to those who remain in the groupthink realm you champion as "sell outs," "bullies" and "greedy globalists."

I'm curious. If you are so altogether concerned about the state of the environment, why have you failed to mention this:

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Or, better yet, this:

tu.be/kARPoJrkx_s

It's far easier to throw insults my way, I guess, than to face the truth. Say what you want about me, but at least I am smart enough to know when someone is lying to me. Can you say the same?

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Are you an anti-vaxxer, too?

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But you can't just reject out of hand our only ways of keeping people in the north from freezing to death in the winter, or of enabling them to function in areas of oppressive summer heat.

Any candidate for president that seriously put forth the banning of NG and other fossil fuels, in lieu of a viable base-load alternative, will not go far, one would think.

Longer term, there are things like hydrogen produced from solar, next generation fusion nuclear, and eventually perhaps even fusion power. Battery breakthroughs that would enable an eighteen wheeler to operate on electricity, charged via one of the power sources above.

Until such time, we should realize that NG is a lot cleaner than burning things like oil, or coal.

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The question isn't continued use of EXISTING natural gas infrastructure; it's whether we make the dangerous decision to invest in MORE natural gas production and infrastructure. Anyone who wants to is an enemy of serious climate action.

See, many people (you, sadly, among them) are victims of the natural gas industry's PR propaganda. That propaganda talks about natural gas as a RELATIVELY clean-burning fossil fuel, which it is. But the industry never mentions the MANY peer-reviewed scientific studies showing that methane leaks from fracking (the only practical way to produce lots of natural gas) make natural gas possibly worse than coal as a greenhouse gas source, since methane is a vastly more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon. And even if proper regulation of fracking operations could fix that, the gas industry has fought VICIOUSLY against such regulation of methane leaks. Without politicians willing to clamp down on methane leaks from the fracking process, natural gas will remain at least as bad for the climate as coal. Good luck finding those politicians; the indusrty bought most of them off long ago.

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It looks to me like though that the NG industry is very concerned with methane leakage, as any leakage of any product eats into profits. And it also looks like a lot of progress has been made along these lines.

The industry wants to cement itself as the best backup source for enabling the expansion of wind and solar, as new legislation requiring more renewables comes to pass. Controlling leaks is vital to that goal.

So, NG may actually be a key element in the expansion of wind and solar, or other renewable, but inherently intermittent, sources of energy.

Nuclear of course would be a much, much cleaner and more robust backup source, perhaps even negating the need for solar and wind farms, so hopefully new safer technologies in this area will be deployed before too long.

I'm looking for a candidate who understands these kinds of realities. I suspect Biden does, but now he's scared to go up against the impractical AOC mindset that has so rooted itself within the Democrat base.

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The NG industry has been expressing its concern about methane leaks almost since the gravity of the problem was discovered--and using the profitability argument--but in reality has done almost nothing to solve it and tends to fight legislation on the subject tooth and nail. Either the technical problem is difficult and costly to solve (and the NG industry isn't telling the public this) or the industry just irresponsibly finds it more profitable to cut corners. Given the historically shady practices of fossil fuel industry--spreading lies about global warmingand abusing Homeland Security to spy on anti-fracking activists in PA (my own family was targeted in this;Virginia Cody was my wife)--it seems foolish and irresponsible to assume industry good will. Having lots of power and the support of politicians you've bribed tends to create corporate ethical snakepits; the fossil fuel industry, especially as represented by the Trump officials originating there, seems an egregious snakepit.

Trump's move to block reporting of methane leaks seems much more in line with industry desires; if the industry really wanted to be responsible, they'd have crucified Trump and his EPA over this. Fat chance!

Even at its best and most regulated, NG is a fossil fuel emitting considerable greenhouse gases. If NG has any continued role to play at all (many scientists are doubtful, especially the ones associated with the Solutions Project;color me skeptical), it would have to be under a regulation-friendly president like Sanders and not a corporate ally like Biden. Frankly, I don't see methane leaks controlled unless we clean up our government and nationalize an ethically challenged industry. I'm sure that's NOT what you had in mind.

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This article, which I just discovered, strikes me as pretty unbiased and spot on on the subjects on NG and methane leaks.

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Be all that as it may, and certainly voices like yours have been instrumental I'd think, but it seems that the NG industry is currently fully on board with addressing the leakage of its product. There was already an economic incentive, but now there's a fully visible to all PR incentive, which also ends up benefiting them economically. It's clearly to their great advantage to control/stop leaks, while also developing their own documenting and reporting protocols.

So no need for Chavez-onalizing anything.

Considering the industry is fast working to reduce leakage, as it actually has been for a while, and the much shorter 'half-life' of methane in the atmosphere, thus making it a superior alternative to coal or oil, why are we demonizing something that is actually making it more and more possible to deploy solar and wind, thus conversely making it more and more possible to use less NG?

The only other current doable and sufficiently robust alternative to fossil fuels for base-load support is nuclear.

The better approach, instead of beating Biden about the head and shoulders simply for not having a balanced, practical approach to energy/climate, would be to recognize, support and encourage the NG industry's current methane leak abatement stance, and also, *gasp*, support and encourage the development of next generation nuclear power.

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I'll cite your own source against you. The stance of the powerful API on methane leaks indicates how hard it is to get this rogue industry under control. And with many red states, and Republicans a heavy force in Congress, that's sure to continue. The only way to get methane leaks under control (if it's feasible at all) is to destroy Republicans in a landslide. Only calling out their party's climate terrorism, along with a populist Green New Deal, is going to do that. Joe "reach across the aisle" Biden is the LAST person to call out Republicans for climate terrorism and to call for the populist economic policies of a Green New Deal. He's certainly the last person to have coattails and inspire a Democrat landslide. Without Democrats solidly in power throughout the nation, regulating methane is simply a pipe dream. Republicans oppose regulating ANYTHING.

All I can guess is that a dying industry--after long having a horrific climate record--is in dire panic at the prospect of being legally euthanized. I'd say it's time for those of us who've always rightly distrusted them not to trust them, but to make them CRAWL. I'd use cruder language on what we ought to make them do, but I know Rob doesn't like it.

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And I'll cite your/my source in rebuttal of the general mindset you're putting forth that the NG industry is sneakily wanting to nefariously go around leaking its own product into the air.

The blogger Rosalie Winn links to comments by an API policy head and characterizes them thus:

"API's comments encouraged EPA to dramatically weaken current requirements, and suggested that the agency does not need to regulate methane emissions directlydespite the oil and gas industry's well-recognized methane problem." -- Rosalie Winn

However, upon reading the comment she links to, API says:

"Importantly, all oil and gas production emission sources that are covered by the previous 2012 and 2016 rules will continue to be effectively addressed." -- API senior policy advisor Matthew Todd

I don't read the comment by Todd as wanting to "weaken current requirements". What API is opposing is the industry having to comply with no doubt byzantine additional reporting requirements that they feel will serve no purpose in the pursuit of reducing leakage, and in fact will distract manpower and money from their already effective systems and R&D into the detection and mitigation of leaks.

Key fact: According to the EPA itself, NG production has increased 50% since 1990, while methane emissions have decreased 15%. An effective decrease of 45%. These numbers don't exactly support the notion that this industry is some rogue, planet killing evil enterprise. No, in fact, it's the reason you and I and so many around the world have the living standards we do. Going down the AOC road will only lead to energy disasters in terms of cold/hot weather death, and economic depression. Not to mention a Democrat electoral wipeout.

No, balance is a good thing. We should vote for whomever has the courage to say so.

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Aren't the EPA figures indicating decline radically flawed? I find numerous sources saying the EPA has been radically underestimating methane leaks. For example,this one, which was from just last year. Trump's corrupt rogue EPA has doubtless only made measurements worse than they already were under Obama.


I'm also curious, what oil and gas company or lobby do you work for? I know very few people who take your kind of personal industry in defending the NG industry who aren't on the payroll.

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Somehow I don't think being a strong proponent of nuclear power is consistent with being somehow "working for" the petroleum industry. Just because I'm a realist regarding the current state of our energy technology reality is hardly an indication of being on some "payroll".

No studies should be looked upon as sacrosanct, including those conducted by the EPA. But of course also those sponsored by the EDF:

The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) has released a myriad of studies on natural gas system methane emissions over the past six years that have found low leakage rates between 1.2 and 1.5 percent of production. Five such studies are featured in the following EID graphic.....

.....So the fact that a new EDF study released today finds methane leakage rates of 2.3 percent well above what EDF-led research has previously found and "60 percent higher than the U.S. EPA inventory estimate," according to the report begs the question: What changed with regard to EDF's methodology for this study that yielded a much higher leakage estimate than its past research has shown?

Whether the real figure is 1.2 or 2.3, or more likely somewhere in between, it's still well below the threshold making NG superior to coal in terms of global warming, and besides coal is a horribly dirty thing to burn.

It's not that I like natural gas, it's just that I like surviving months of single digit temperatures without choking on wood smoke more. And that's the way it was in my area for years, until natural gas became the so much cleaner way to heat your home.

Solar and wind might be able to do some moderate lifting in certain areas, but they need a lot of support. That job falls to NG, until somebody comes up with a viable alternative, or people get over their 'China Syndromes'.

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I wish we had a downvote button. Seems to me you are some sort of industry shill, madam.

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I wish we had a downvote button. Seems to me you are some sort of industry shill, madam.

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Seems we also need a 'delete duplicate post' button.

Or perhaps a 'delete illogical conclusions' button.

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NG/LP heating appliances can approach 99% efficiency. It isn't the burning of the gas as much as the production of the gas. Fracking is bad news. I lived in the Fayetteville Shale when they came in and bought the mineral rights (if you didn't sell, the state "integrated" them and gave them to the gas companies anyway), promising jobs which didn't materialize, and prosperity. Also cheaper gas. None of it materialized. All the gas was exported, and the "prosperity" was very short-lived.


Meanwhile, people had burn-off flares in their backyards, constant earthquakes, frackwater illegally dumped in streams, and a weird pink residue in the tap water.

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Betsy Comstock--almost certainly getting paid by the NG industry--should put this article in her gas pipe and smoke it. Even in the highly improbable case methane leaks get fixed, NG is unacceptable for the climate and viable alternatives ARE available.

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"Even in the highly improbable case methane leaks get fixed, NG is unacceptable for the climate and viable alternatives ARE available."

Thank You for your shout-out for nuclear power!

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Our local co-op is putting up solar farms. We need to think out of the box and start madly putting such into use. Wind, solar, water - all can be harnessed at far less cost to the environment than ANY fossil fuels.

And make it illegal for HOAs to outlaw solar panels in ANY neighborhood.

As a kid, we had no A/C, even in the heat oppressive south. Of course we had wood heat in the winter, which isn't really good for the air. Even STORES were not air-conditioned. I remember going shopping in Woolworths and department stores with big ceiling fans.

Humans lived for millennia without the comforts of air conditioning, and huddled around the wood stove in winter. It may come to that again if society collapses due to climate change.

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That's nice, you're apparently in a more southern latitude. But I'm sure your co-op still relies on some kind of fossil fuel that actually does the lion's share of providing the electricity you depend on being there every day all day.

Heck, I used to live in the tropics, where the sun was straight up in the sky at noon. All our household hot water came from solar, no problem. PV panels became more and more ubiquitous on homes and businesses, as well as solar/battery farms. But an oil fired power plant was, and still is, a very necessary part of the equation.

Part of what I've attempted to point out here is that NG adoption is key to the very expansion of the wind, solar and water(?) you refer to.

I think "coming to that" is more likely going to be due to the emotional, irrational, premature abandonment of fossil fuels, and the likewise refusal to vigorously pursue nuclear power. Not from climate change itself.

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Until you answer the question of what O&G industry company you work for, you're being totally disingenuous and not really worth replying to. No one who isn't in the pay of O&G interests so consistently adopts their talking points. Only O&G people--and climate activists who've faced off with them--even know what those talking points are. You can obviously spout them in your sleep--and you sure as hell ain't no climate activist. All serious climate activists distrust the O&G industry based on its long track record of lying and stonewalling efforts to regulate it.

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I don't work for any O/G company, Patrick. That's the answer. I work for a school district, for pity sake. But I guess the 'shill card' is always an easy play.

Whatever 'talking points' I've made are strictly based on what I've read online, and basic common sense:

* Natural Gas actually enables the expansion of wind and solar capacity, due to its ability to quickly ramp up generation when needed. It's less damaging climate-wise, compared to coal or oil. I only just learned this kind of stuff for the purpose of responding to your first comment on my first comment. I didn't even know that NG was primarily methane or about the leak problem; I knew methane was a global warming gas, but I thought it was all about agriculture and other natural emissions.

* It's simply not currently possible to maintain anything close to a reliable, stable electrical system in many if not most parts of the country based entirely on solar and wind and batteries.

* By demonizing fossil fuels, we're opening ourselves up to disastrous outcomes in terms of brown-outs, black-outs and skyrocketing energy prices. Most affected will be poorer people, like me, who wish they got shill-checks from the O/G industry, or anyone!

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Yep. Industry shill. No doubt in my mind. We do NOT need to continue with fossil fuels, and we do NOT need nuclear. I live uncomfortably close to a nuke plant, and a friend worked for the state monitoring the water used to cool it (which was returned to the river). He said it was safe, but he was uncomfortable living next to it. Chernobyl. Fukushima. There will be another.


Of course the coop uses power from fossil fuels. They are PETRIFIED that they will get a backlash from customers over price if they don't. And that's the rub. People are not willing to pay for what we need to do. Not to mention that I live in Trumpland, and they don't believe in climate change. Fools, they.

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No, I think what they're really petrified of is not being able to generate power much of the time, if they somehow disconnected their base-load sources. That would get a huge backlash, and rightfully so. People's lives would be threatened, and they'd find themselves out of business, so then no power, at all, for anyone.

Of course the water is safe. Nuclear is by far the cleanest, safest form of energy production we have, and is on the verge of becoming even more so.

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