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It is time to call the people who planned and executed the assault on the Capitol building terrorists-- domestic terrorists. They had every intention of doing damage and violence and they followed through on their intentions.

I've written this article in response to an article posted by a senior OEN editor.

By Wrongly Calling The Capitol Rabble 'Terrorists' Joe Biden Will Likely Create Some

That he posted an article which I disagree with in so many ways proves how open OEN is.

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This article is bullshit in so many ways. Let's start with the blind or delusional claim that Trump did not encourage the action. Between Trump his son and Rudy Giuliani, the Trump Rally absolutely encouraged the violent, seditious insurrection. He nonsensically claims that Trump did not tell them to enter the Capitol building.

"Some 74 million people voted for Trump. What will they do if the Democrats now unfairly try to impeach him over an incident he did not cause?

Trump also didn't tell them to steal police plastic shields and use them to smash open windows. Trump did encourage them. Giuliani and Donald Trump Junior goaded them.

The writer says these people were tourists. Sorry but there is huge evidence in social media that these people planned and came to violently prevent confirmation of Biden as president and to start "the revolution."

Many did have weapons, some had pipe bombs, some had Molotov cocktails. Many had tear gas or related sprays. There is video showing these terrorists spraying police with some kind of gas. One moron killed himself by tazing his testicles, causing a heart attack. So add tasers to the list of weapons.

These seditious criminals and fools clearly announced in advance what they intended to do and it went beyond protest. The guy who infamously stole Speaker Pelosi's podium posted it on Ebay. How is he different that BLM protest looters who stole sneakers?

While in and around the Capitol, these seditious terrorists violently attacked police, killing one-- ironically one who was a Trump supporter. We see them, in the Capitol chanting anti-police messages.

The reason the Capitol was so poorly defended was probably because of Oath Keeper and Oath Keeper sympathetic police who let the rioters pass barriers, literally waving them on.

It is about time these people, who so obviously want to take down the government using violence, be defined as terrorists. If they try to do the same thing during the inauguration, engaging in violent assaults on police and the inauguration process, I hope that the Secret Service and non-corrupt police use live ammunition on those who are seen engaging in violence.

And I am sure there will be very heavy video surveillance, so, when these criminal fools come out, without masks, they will be identified and arrested, prosecuted and sentenced to jail time.

I have long supported peaceful civil disobedience. What happened at the Capitol was not peaceful disobedience. It was seditious insurrection with the intent to interfere with the constitutional Democratic process.

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I am reminded of "Lord of the Flies."

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Aye, well stated Meryl Ann. "What is the main message of the Lord of the Flies?

Commonly accepted as "The central concern of Lord of the Flies is the conflict between two competing impulses that exist within all human beings: the instinct to live by rules, act peacefully, follow moral commands, and value the good of the group against the instinct to gratify one's immediate desires, act violently to obtain supremacy ..."

The problem lies in the manipulation of these instincts. It almost appears that with this knowledge and the required amount of resources its a walk in the park for those who would without empathy. Know them by the last two words, "without empathy".


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Maybe "Piggy" is Joe Biden, but he lost more than his glasses.

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But, have the adults really arrived?

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(From Merriam-webster's dictionary) Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Which of these more accurately fits the mob action?

Anyone involved in organizing the action is criminal if violence was part of the planning. But most people involved in group action are followers.

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the word I used was terrorist. Here's what Oxford Dictionary says: ter·ror·ist

noun

a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
adjective
unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"a terrorist organization"

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It's taken 40 years for the republican zombie machine to show the cryptic violence at it's core. All the zombie, vampire & walking dead movies, videos & TV shows were telling us what was coming. We all thought they were just marvelous entertainment. Well, 45% of us did, anyway......................

King Midas, Pandora, Narcissus , ........................... all rolled up into one sagging, rotting, malignant sack of poisonous Jungian suet...................

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Not to mince words, I am the "culprit" who posted the said article. It was not to support or defend Trump. I am alarmed that basically acts of civil disobedience are being labeled "terrorism".

As others have warned, such as Glenn Greenwald and Caitlin Johnstone, there will be serious consequences to civil liberties. Already legislation is being drafted for shocking laws that criminalize protest. There will be more, much more. We are likely to see our civil liberties further destroyed. Are any of you willing to give up more of your First Amendment consisting of five freedoms, which are: Religion, Free Speech, Free Press, Assembly, and Petition.

Once the Patriot Act 2.0 against "Domestic Terrorism" it will go much further than making the intrusion of the Capitol building an "act of terrorism". Have we learned nothing from 9/11, domestic surveillance, indefinite detention, torture, assassinations and two decades of illegal wars of aggression that have killed millions of innocent people?

The label "terrorist" will come back to haunt the left. The left has always been the main victim of witch hunts for enemies foreign and domestic.

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This is exactly the kind of paranoid thinking thatHofstadterwas talking about, and just the type of thing which will draw the biggest crowd at OEN, Yes, just take the "civil" out of "civil disobedience", and that's what we had last week; looting, vandalism, bomb planting and terrorizing lawmakers to the point where they are cowering on the ground, calling their loved ones they believed for the last time...

And if we just don't call it "terrorism", then there's no real threat of more restrictive legislation regarding it, coming in it' wake? Is there?

Brilliant, incisive, compassionate...

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"This is exactly the kind of paranoid thinking."

If anything, Hofstader from the article you quote would prefer that the mind be settled and in fact, debated openly and resolved. He might even more sympathetic with today's perspective, the explosion in communication, science, psychology. The perspective for someone of the world of nearly 60 years ago today's world would be nearly unrecognizable although as Shakespeare and others have shown us, human behavior is unchanged.

The breadth of economic consolidation and cooperation among the elites - how can we not speak of the elites conspiratorially, in a paranoid manner?, As they compete against one another, retarding human growth and throwing our unimportant aspirations aside as mere flotsam, less-human concerns? How can any discerning human being not be compelled to paranoid thinking upon discovering that the world is being directed for the benefit of...whom? To be otherwise is to sit beneath a crumbling waiting to be knocked out to unconsciousness. Should we all behave as fools believing that the world runs on its own, that we should forgo such thoughts and wait for the next life?

What could possibly be wasteful about engaging in an enterprise to understand and expose the evil that seeks to drag humans straight to hell? Do you doubt that there is evil, that it is organized?

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Very eloquent defense of paranoid thinking.

It reminds me of Mickey Cohen's, "I never killed anyone who didn't deserve it."

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How about,"What you don't know, won't hurt you"? or , "just because you are not paranoid, doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you"?

You probably prefer door number one.

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LOL... yes I really do prefer door number 1. Mostly because, in my encroaching old age, I've learned that in the vast, cosmic configuration, I don't know squat. So, that makes me feel all warm and cozy inside...

Just for the record, dear brosky, (because I really do love you, regardless of what you might think of me): I tend to agree with Gore Vidal that there doesn't need to be a vast conspiracy in order to have brought about the current state of things, because the "the people who own the country all think alike". I also believe that the world has significantly evolved since Gore passed over to the other side (which was probably a real learning curve for him ).There are of course conspiracies of convenience here and there. But I think they are isolated, no matter how "nasty". The elites are too much in competition with one another to be the richest and most powerful, "numero uno", to be willing to co-operate to that extent. So, the Judeo-Christian concept of Satan being "the God of this world", in terms of providing a non-simplistic-secular-"rational"-materialist (you get the idea) frame of reference is a compelling one for me, although I'm more Hindu than Judeo-Christian (and I of course don't take that literally, just metaphorically). But most people are motivated by what Tolstoy called "quasi-animal functions", and don't tend to stop and think about what the consequences of what they're doing are on others and their own souls (if they even believe they have one), except in terms of their short term self-interest.

I know you're just dying for me to endlessly pontificate on the subject, but that's about all I can stand of me at the moment.

Always nice schmoozing.

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You are thought proking and provocative William. You are also very persistent, like the dog with a bone of his own! Even an ankle biter if you lose the bone.

Your comment regarding Vidal is well taken. How much do we really know about who is responsible for making things happen in the world?

Sometimes I agree with you and other times you get me by the short ones so I have to squeak. At least you agree that there is evil.

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Thanks, buddy. I am well aware of the ankle-biting tendencies and really am struggling to control them (appearances to the contrary not withstanding...)

I think much of my understanding of how the world (and this country) works was formed by watching Mr. Vidal on the Merv Griffin Show growing up. When I learned that one could actually find and read his books... wow! Who knew???

btw: Some say he was a very good novelist but one of our greatest essayists. You might want to do yourself a favor and look into it...

You really prefer "William"? Interesting...

:)

PS My life was completely devastated (actually beyond devastated) by an encounter with what seemed at the time to be pure evil (and maybe it was). And, a half a century later, I am yet to be completely healed from it.

So, oh yes- I believe.

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Forgive me Al...one of those moments...laziness. I remember those Merv Griffin shows. One of my first memories of an American dissident. I regret your brush with such misfortune expecially its unsatisfactory resolution.

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I agree with you that there are people-- legislators and probably Biden-- who will attempt to use this event as an excuse to restrict rights. Great. Write articles about that. But MOA's article makes statements and claims that just don't work for me, as I've spelled out in my article.

So, let's cover the threat but also not make claims about the Capitol event that apologize for the perpetrators. They were not just usual protesters or tourists. They killed people and went way beyond normal civil disobedience.

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Rob, you're lumping them together, as ONE group. I readily detected five representations,

or possibly more. Please don't tumble when knocking BUMBLE!

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It is amazing that these terms are only applied to further one's cause "unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims, "a terrorist organization" but not called on when when they are evident in other acts which fit the description such as we saw in the 2016 Democratic Primaries (sic) by the DNC to force other than the peoples' choice. Why is that? I think there is more than enough blame in the terrorism against the people to go around to both parties and inside and outside actors. What is the solution? "Kill'em all" sic and let god sort them out, this has gotten out of hand by those inflaming the divide and conquer as they are not hard to spot........

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noted - an old Nam 'rationalization'.?

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Yes Nels, it is amazing the mental gymnastics that one will go through to get a good nights sleep or reach one more day alive. Fragging/s followed the failure of grotesque self deceptions to preserve the latter for many. First they came for...... there was no one left to speak for me.

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I suppose VVAW members who threw medals at the White House are terroists. Or the various early 70s anti-war groups who threw stones at the Justice Department are terrorists. Or goups like CAIM and SDS who took over - and trashed - campus buildings are terroists. Or the Chicago 7, Occupay, Antifa and YAWF, BLM, et al. They told us back then that we were just going through a phase. That eventually we would grow up to be just like our parents. They were right. Leave it to the emotionally charged liberals to push us to the edge of the slippery slope to political and cultural authoritarianism. Get back in your house, keep your mouth shut, wear what we tell you, don't call your mother your mother. A madness is upon us, that would shock even our parents. We're worse.

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You are correct John.

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

The Trumpeters were goaded on by Trump and, indeed, by many of the cops who were suppose to protect the capital. But terrorism requires a concrete goal that consists of something well beyond the sacking of Nancy Pelosi's office. I'd be more prone to calling them dupes, used by the Oligarchy to strike fear in the public because -- well -- TRUMP!

This was just another false-flag set up by the Oligarchy (through their minions at the CIA and NSA) to confound and divide the Public. The five who died were just unfortunate casualties that the Oligarchy has already written off.

Calling for the punishment of the stupid merely allows the Fascists (which includes Biden/Harris) to squeeze higher while the "rest of us" crawl into our bunkers to hide.

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I completely agree with you John. This was a protest that was manipulated by the oligarchy into what it became. The purpose was to divide us more yes. But even worse this has been an excuse to ramp up 1st Amendment freedom abuses by the tec oligarchs and our fascist (& FAR from democratic) government. This was not "terrorism" and it CERTAINLY was not a "coup attempt". Those saying the latter are a disgrace for the real coups that the US government backs in places like Honduras and Ukraine.

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I ain't crawling no f*cking where.

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I don't buy most knee-jerk false-flag labelings. Please explain how this is false flag.

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False flag

Deep State

Black Ops

Special Ops

Radical Left

FemiNazi

Buzzwords & Bullshit.

Save so much time.

Perfect for a fast food culture....................

I'm a pizza-eating pet-o-phile myself.

But Johnathan Swift had a point............

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The slow crumbling of Empire.

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Nice work using cookbook conspiracy theory framing. Take legit history like protesters throwing medals, with people taking over and trashing buildings or the Chicago 7 or Occupy or BLM. And justify your argument by mixing it it with whatever. - actually, there's only the SDS trashing of buildings that was actually terrorism, and I don't know what YAWF is. Interesting that you are an apologist for the scum who peed on the walls of the Capitol and beat up and assaulted police.

There's good reason to have concern that there will be an over-reaction in terms of laws that restrict protest. But I'd say that the emotionally charged people are the fools and morons who have bought into the lies that Trump won. People who act violently in response to lies are duped fools, but they still deserve to go to jail for breaking laws.

I've long supported peaceful disobedience. This was far from that.

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If you had participated in the antiwar movement you should have recognized YAWF (who bailed me out of mass arrests) as that disciplined antiwar vanguard group flying the orange banners - Youth Against War and Fascism. I do applaud you though, Rob, for publishing many dissenting articles and providing a forum for those of us who have differing views on how to tackle the establihment. But here you've twisted my meaning. I could have cited the Black Panthers, Attica Brigades, YIP or a dozen others who were very violent. Would you have agreed with Nixon and labled them terrorists? And if the security forces who basically laid out the red carpet for the protestors to storm the capitol had done the same thing in the 60s and early 70s, is there even the slightest doubt that thousands from the anti-war movement woud have stormed the building? It would have been Abbie Hoffman with his feet on Pelosi's desk. In any case, I was seeking to point to the slippery slope danger in such "us v them" labeling, while suggesting that we should seek to strengthen antiestablishment connections among various groups instead of calling ones we don't like "scum."

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There's no moral equivalency between groups who are doing whatever is within their (very limited) power to fight centuries old systemic violence, racism and oppression against themselves, and armed, bomb planting vandals and looters, whose only goal was to terrorize lawmakers into not certifying the fair and legal winner of a presidential election. (don't even get me started on comparing them to people who throw medals at you.)

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I agree, Al. No one here is applauding violence. The fear is that assigning the label of terrorist has significant consequences for the movements aligned in oppositon to war, racism, etc. At large demosntrations righteousness creates a highly charged atmosphere where a mass momentum is created, agent provacateurs abound and completely innocent people get swept up into it. Last summer provided a perfect example with billions in property damage as a result. Charges for property damage and even bodily damge must be prosecuted under existing crimianal law. It is simply too dangerous to create a precedent by classifying the organizing groups as terrorists as it opens the flood gates for political manipulation and state control. Fascism begins with cherrypicking the opposition to be persecuted under terrorist laws which, as you know, are far more onerous than criminal laws and where habeus corpus is thrown out the window. As political hisrtoy has demonstrated, in the end it will bite the left in the ass.

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I suppose VVAW members who threw medals at the White House are terroists. Or the various early 70s anti-war groups who threw stones at the Justice Department are terrorists. Or goups like CAIM and SDS who took over - and trashed - campus buildings are terroists. Or the Chicago 7, Occupay, Antifa and YAWF, BLM, et al.

Thanks for respectfully trying to clarify your position. But the only one I see comparing Capitol Hill terrorists with groups which, more often than not, address their legitimate grievances peacefully, is yourself. I see no issue with calling a spade a spade, a peaceful demonstrator a peaceful demonstrator and a terrorist a terrorist. In the country's 240 year history, the differences have remained clear, with no blurring ever having become a serious issue.

The fascism has already begun, and it has absolutely nothing to do with war veterans throwing their medals at anyone, or individuals exercising their right to protest the unending, racially motivated slaughter of their fellow citizens. In fact, I believe that not characterizing what happened last week as "terrorism" just serves to give those responsible a free pass and allows domestic terrorists free to operate among us with no such stigma.

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The irony is that from the definitions of terrorists given above, we find the United States standing front and center on top of the world with an arsenal of terrorist implements, and more on the way.

The world is sick of americans bitching and moaning about their government while we continue to allow it rape us with obscene budgets and further their protection rackets using the peoples military - continue to spew contagion into the air and water and food and experiment on us like we are guinea pigs, slaughter the Yemenis, Palestinians, Venezuelans, Somalis, Iranians.

Each and everyone of us to need to get our heads right. If you think the idiots storming the capitol were right minded, then you ain't ready for prime time. It is interesting how quiet and free from disturbances the big economic conferences have become. These folks meet as though they don't have a care in the world, just having a nice little ice cream social, while figuring out how to take everything you "own" and make you love it.

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Amerikan Exceptionalism spawned a blind arrogance that terrorized millions of 3rd world peasants . TERRORISM: Dropping millions of tons of napalm on rural villages - burning the inhabitants alive. Poisoning S E Asia with dioxin & unexploded ordnance producing generations of legless villagers and malformed babies. Saturating countries with radioactive cluster bombs - resulting in more malformed babies. The menu of Amerikan Terrorism has slaughtered more than 12 million - just since 1954. Last week's melodramatic attack on our "hallowed Capitol" trivializes real terrorism. Ask the Iraqis.........The VietNamese & Cambodians. The Congolese & Angolans & Somalis. The endless list of Tribes in The Land of the Free. We even terrorize the animals we eat.

Our "domestic terrorism" is merely the chickens coming home to roost. As any Tribe of Native Americans............

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Well said, Terry. Abbie Hoffman asked in his last public speech (from memory), Who's the "terrorist" - the Vietnamese peasant working his family's rice fields as his ancestors have done for hundreds of years, or the guy in the B52 flying over him?

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I was tear-gassed protesting the Viet Nam war, but we're talking 50 years ago, so give me some slack if I don't remember YAWP.

Some of those violent orgs may have fit the profile of terrorist. But at the time I supported the efforts of the Black panthers. I don't recall what Attica Brigades did and Yip probably would have embraced being called terrorists.

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No worries. Yeah the tear gas thing always sucked. I finally brought a gas mask to the party! YAWF was a very disciplined group and an offshoot of Sam Marcy's Workers World Party. They were always on the front line trying to reign in ad hoc groups who got carried away and resorted to violence.

For the record and in respnse to your and AL's comments, I reiterate that the problem is not that criminal political acts shouldn't be prosecuted, but that if enough people on the left are publically calling what happened last week "terrorosm," we can expect the new administration to act on it. There is a mile wide chasm between prosecuting law breakers in civilian courts and arresting them under a terrorism law. Asking to put a label on a group that you dislike is a malevolent genie you do not want to let out of the bottle. Anyone posting here, especially savvy poitical thinkers like the OEN editors, must know that it's naive to trust the noble judgment of our politicains or expect non-prejudicial restraint. Empiracally, we also know that when you give the government a finger, it takes the arm.

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For more than a hundred years, every peaceful protest - of any kind - has been infiltrated by hired right wing thugs whose purpose was to foment street violence in order to justify characterizing whichever group as - anarchists, bolsheviks, communists, agitators, etc ad inf, - who were trying to crawl out from under the dominant weight of feudal SOB's running the show in every decade since the Magna Carta was signed.

There will be right-wing violence everywhere now that the zombies-on-the-right have been lured out and the irony is that Biden/Harris will be forced to use authoritarian means to stop it. And the rethugs will wax wroth in their inimitable hypocrisy............

Watching Paula White in her psychotic/erotic weekly White House rants, spewing saliva, ludicrously invoking Jee-zuss & His-Old-Man, tells everything one needs to know about The Proud Boys & their ilk. Violent force will have to be used to stop the fragmentation of what's left of The United Snakes.

Vladimir wins.....................

Me, I'm going to continue a nightly regimen of Manhattans & pot and shouting "Shazam!!!!" every half hour - in the vain hope that I'll be able to do ....... something........... about all this sh*t....

May we all live long & prosper......................?

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Shazam!!!!

Does that work?

Probably about as well as my vote for the American Shopping Party. OTOH, it just "feels good".

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Terry, I might point out that it is defintiley not just right-wing groups. At many demonstrations against the war in the early 70s, it was usually left-wing groups whom you might "thugs," like Attica Brigades, that incited the crowds to violence. This is precisely why the reclassifying of these violent crimes as terrorist acts - and prosecuting them as such - is ultimately so fraught with danger for the left and any antiestablihment movement in the future.

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Is it me? I have read some of the comments and in the flow of the arguments agree with them, but then an errant chord strikes like a broken string on a piano...thud. How can comments travel along a smooth road then end up in the ditch?

Sorry to start with you Terry, but, "Vladimir wins"? What does this mean?

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Goodness. I recall how easily you accepted "umbrella man" in the Minneapolis BLM "riots". There was no wide-spread rioting last Wednesday. There were a few provocateurs (who some identify as antifa (which doesn't exist), but who have much more in common with "umbrella man") who did real damage and scared the hell out of our Congress People, but a real riot would have lasted much, much longer and the rioters would not have been invited to enter by the Capitol Police.

It is disheartening to see that you just want vengeance for no identifiable reason. No problem though, the "deep state" has finally started to identify those horrible, evil "terrorists" who were taking selfies with members of the police. Someone is going to pay.

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They also sh*t on the floors and tracked it around. The New JD is going to have to at least double in size to pursue the malignant fog of criminality & treason that the republicans have been generating since Reagan's "The gov't IS the enemy" bullshit. The entire Trump family MUST be indicted for starters on hundreds of violations of the Corrupt Foreign Practices Act. Again simultaneously, for hundreds of fraud & money laundering violations. And, again simultaneously, for sedition & treason. And that's just the start..............

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Not ready for prime time.

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It's interesting how someone who likes to present himself as so "anti war", apparently actually supports domestic, politically motivated violence, where his fellow American citizens die (particularly when the participants agree with him).

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"Death to anyone who wants to raise my taxes!!!"

Eh? You ol' peacenik, you...

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If you would like to argue the merits of a post, fine. But if you are again going to resort to making it personal or to character slights and innuendo like "somone who likes to present himself as. . ." whatever you imagine I'm doing, then sorry, you can have that exchange with yourself.

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Nederlandisch talk. Where are you these lovely wintry days,holding your finger in the dike?

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Dear brother Nels,

Now that the Netherlands has become a colony of the United States, I am "enjoying" total shutdown due to government measures against the pLandemic. Just keeping my head down and staying in with my two adopted cats from the animal shelter (a brother and sister, seven years old and hugely comforting). The eugenics cocktail, aka the magic vaccine is going to be "urged" upon us and the community center where I have been teaching English, maths and Spanish doesn't want me back unless I get the shot which I will not do. Taking students one at a time in my home.

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Yes, Love, the scamdemic doesn't scare me as much as the make-believe vaccine that gott

couldn't make me suffer to. Even Soros/Gates & Fauci don't have enough money to buy me,

though by now, they are richer than god. Our 2 kitties, sisters 9 years 0ld, almost keep us sane.

Black Pete good to you? HAVE A GREAT CLOISTERED NEW (?) YEAR!

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Oh no, Nels! Not you too!!!

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There is nothing John Lawrence said that indicates support for domestic violence.

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John, you are always on spot. I'm a big fan of yours!

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You are a shameless hypocrite. I watched a long summer of cities being looted and burnt by Antifa and BLM miscreants while police stood down. The media called them' mostly peaceful protests' and you said that they were expressing 'righteous indignation'. Deep state and Antifa infiltrators, posing in MAGA drag, acted as agent provocateurs to lure the gullible dupes among the crowd into the Capitol and provide bad optics for the biased media to run with.

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I don't think the blame can be layed even largely on Antifa infiltrators, but there was at least one photographed inside the building.

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There is no antifa. It is a figment that has no organization at all.

"Deep State" is misleading in that it doesn't identify the Oligarchy that controls America. Mafia families that create and abandon coalitions with the singular goal of grabbing more wealth to themselves. They are not above sacrificing one of their own. Lehman Brothers in 2008 and Trump this year.

The MAGAnuts who invaded the capitol and created the havoc were not part of the "Deep State". They were the true believers that Trump stupidly believed he controlled. Once the barriers were down and the idiots riled up, the Deep State agents you describe had little if any reason to remain and promote more havoc.

This is just a repeat of the Sunni/Shia conflict the CIA has been perfecting since the 1953 overthrow of Mossadegh and repeated for the last century.

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John, I'm not sure who was under a MAGA chapeau

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My policy, for a while now, has been to stop paying attention to any idiots that spout Antifa nonsense. The only gullible dupes are the people who parrot Antifa and Soros. You are hopelessly brainwashed. Personally, I'd like to see more of Antifa, so they can kick the sh*t of out the Proud Boys and the traitors who invaded the Capitol building. But for the most part, Antifa is a figment of the right wing imagination, like the idea that Trump won the election.

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So the Open Society Foundation, that is funded by Rothschild frontman George Soros and channel's money to numerous subversive groups, is just a figment of my imagination? I think I'll believe my lying eyes instead.

By the way, the imaginary soy-boys of Antifa have a poor win/loss record when it comes to getting their ass kicked by the Proud Boys.

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Sounds like KoolAid fueled, amorphous BS to me...................

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Hey! Don't forget Saul Alinsky.......................... If Biden doesn't hire Palin/Fey as Press Sec'tys, he's a fool.............................................

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Antifa and BLM miscreants?

Can you provide a source of the intelligence and police reports confirming this?

Be sure to characterize the individual miscreants properly.

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I agree that OEN is quite open to differing views and am grateful for that.

I agree that calling the people who massed at the Capitol "tourists" is too much of a stretch.

But I agree with M of A's article much more than with what Rob says here, and I hope others will read it.

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I would agree with MOA that calling them terrorists might bring more out of the woodwork-- that's a metaphor rooted in termites, right? But flushing them out, if they engage in seditious violence, will get them arrested and jailed... or shot. Either way, I'm good.

I know a lot of people who have engaged in peaceful civil disobedience. That's entirely different. Anyone who suggests that these scumbags were tourists or simply protesters is under the influence of the koolaid.

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This is a worldwide problem that need to be addressed by some leaders. In my view, German's Chancellor, French and Russian Presidents should not be allowed to participate to come up with a multinational framework because of their past history of killing people and stealing weak countries' lands, for example to create a fake Azerbaijan. Fake Azerbaijan with support from Russia and Turkey have killed many Armenians and violated international laws while many United Nations members have remained silent.

(1) For countries that have nuclear bombs to amend their national laws to restrict the authority of their Presidents ordering nuclear attack(s).

(2) Reduce number of nuclear bombs which to some estimate(s) is over 4,000 nuclear bombs.

(3) Respect international accords,

(4) Remove illegal sanctions which have brought misery to millions of people, among them children.

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I must agree with the author that speaking the truth is long overdue. This certainly was a riotous mob, they were armed and they killed a police officer. Had this been a BLM protest, this entire group would be lucky to even be alive to walk away. Had they been Muslims, they would be prosecuted as terrorists, IF they survived the hail of bullets rained down on them. Instead, most walked away freely. My personal hope is that they will be rounded up and tried for their murderous acts and yes, that includes the charge of terrorism. To let them go is to embolden their like, who certainly will be back to do the same and even worse. They are terrorists and we must not be afraid to speak that truth.

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As Unca Donald put it, "there are good people on both sides" .....................

I'm sure of it. But - the only thing you can be sure of, is that you can't be sure of anything (Heisenberg/Schrodinger) and you can be sure of that..........

"Fools to the left of me, jokers to the right - here I am, stuck in the middle with you"

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As Dylan could have written, "There are many terrorists among us who feel that life is but a joke, let us stop talking falsely now, the hour is getting late..."

Let us not forget the mountain of the empire in our own eye that we condone in its daily genocidal rampage around the globe as we are suddenly sensitized to one of its "minor" psychial outbursts in the nation's capitol.

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A thoughtful and reflective 'domestic terrorist':

youtube.com/watch?v=dOjzEj_r0E4

a) Note: he was NOT arrested

b) the real domestic terrorist is the one currently filling his cabinet with neocon dredges, As the boot further comes down on us all, the domestic terrorism bill will be naively welcomed as further protections by the Dems.

At least MAGA people know otherwise.

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Good interview Helen. That man is probably representative of 98% of the people who stormed the building. Caught up in the moment with frustration that elected officials aren't listening to 75 million+ people who just want to be heard.

The other 2% or so? Let's call them agent provocateurs -An undercover agent who incites suspected persons to partake in or commit criminal acts. There are numerous videos and testimony to this fact that are being censured.

So let's demonize them all. The left has shown nothing if not viciousness towards the other side during the last 4 years in thought and deed. Now is no exception.

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Thanks be to you and Helen, Nan: I'm surely glad that you're 'with us not against us.'

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Ms Nan, you are very perceptive. What do you predict next will be newsworthy?

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The left has shown nothing if not viciousness towards the other side during the last 4 years

And sadly, the "opposition" has returned that anger -- in spades. It didn't help me that he kept telling me how Jesus told him it was OK. Like he has no moral compass of his own with which to decide right and wrong.

But he and I can sing in harmony the question, "What am I suppose to do?"

Pelosi's plan to impeach Trump a second time so he can't run in 2024 is just cover for the fact that she is owned by the Oligarchy and will not do anything for the "rest of us".

Let's put it this way, anyone who takes sides in this debate (Democrats or Republicans) hasn't been paying attention.

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You thought this comment out well, John - again.

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Good interview Helen. ???Give me a break.

That man is probably representative of 98% of the people who stormed the building.

Say what? There you go again. I am surprised that you don't have any doctored photos to accompany your comment this time around. That last move of yours is what an agent provocateur does. Except this time around you decided to give us five different links to definitions that are somehow supposed to represent what an agent provocateur is!

Amazing. You really are working too hard Ms Nan. You are driven...perhaps by Satan or could it be Beelzebub? Just kidding. Included are links that bad mouth other peoples and their religions. Old school propaganda.

The man in the video is an absolute tool. Imagine the effort it took him to prepare to get dressed and go to DC to participate in some dumb sh*t that he is obviously at a loss to even figure out why he is there. Look carefully the guy in the video. He is lost. Then think of the odds of him making it from the wiggly little sperm stage to impregnate a gigantic wondrous egg to then get born and growup to become a stupid f*ck to eventually arrive in the DC capitol to look and sound like the biggest fool on the planet. That's, your good interview, Helen.

The rest of the world wishes that there were no planes, boats or rockets...talk about a border wall, imagine how many countries in the world might quietly invest in that wall!

Caught up in the moment with frustration that elected officials aren't listening to 75 million+ people who just want to be heard.

Wow. Really? They just want to be heard? That is a lot of dumb ass people in a country that loves giving money to Israel to kill Palestinians, take their lands, be the, "we are keeping the oil", assasinate leaders of countries fighting terrorists, oh I forgot, no wonder he was murdered, he was fighting US terrorists, murdering Yemenis and shooting unarmed civilians in the back what is so stupid about that?

Guess what, it ain't only the 75million+ who just want to be heard, it is also the other stupid f*cking 75 million+ who also just want to be heard. If they all would shut their big fat mouths for a moment, they might hear the ruling elites laughing their asses off.

After the police shot a person in the back for a knife attack, a commenter wrote that the police deserve to protect themselves. This is level of critical thinking that the elites have driven people to. Remember that word driven? That was probably the same idiot in the video in the capitol building who wrote that comment.

Instead of playing the role of agent provocateur, whipping up a frenzy to generate animosity in your participation in the two party delusion why not suggest ways to unite against the real power that manipulates you to talk about how vicious the left is? Otherwise, you are just contributing to the two-step tip-toe to totalitarianism, ya dig?

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Speaking of interviews shad, what do you think about this one? Who are the real terrorist, will you please have your children report er rat them out as if even at the age of reason they could understand or decipher any of this correctly.

A Public Broadcasting Service lawyer was fired Tuesday after being caught on undercover footage by Project Veritas making cracks about throwing Molotov cocktails at the White House if President Trump won reelection, and taking away the children of Trump voters if he didn't. I have come to think that some here may fit "the pot calling the kettle black". Insanity of brain washing has become the third rail of terrorist calling terrorist "terrorist". I have had to step back from this insanity as I see OEN decent in to the pit of divide and hate.

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Dear Jesus George...it is so enervating that the madness continues virulently on both sides of the fake left/right divide.

You know that we have been manipulated generation after generation and as a people we have been grown to be mad.

I watched a video of the returning USS Liberty seamen and there were families on shore waving little "american flags" in support of the US military. Perhaps they were lacking in information about what had happened, which seems certain. The point is, the left/right divide has a blind spot designed and welded into place by the powers that should not be. The attitudes on both sides looking across from the other are virulently anti empathetic. The despair for us is so great that it is ridiculously close to joining in with the eugenicists' hateful suggestion to get rid of stupid people, because eventually ignorance is going to get you and I destroyed.

The descent that you speak of, is unlike that one of Morpheus for love, instead we have one descending downward into the bowels of the hell created by the ruling elites, as we carry out their will, wielding swords of bloody destruction and ignorantly slashing and spilling life with both hands against potential loves and comrades.

So yes, stepping back from the insanity you see as OEN's as decent in to the pit of divide and hate is a sane step.

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shad, "enervating" I had to look up as I did not recognize because of the soft first "e". Thank you for that as it is just such an expression that fits. I will probably add it to my vocabulary, I hope you don't mind. Best regards

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Forgive me George. I have developed a poor habit of using words that muddle discourse whose ultimate purpose should be to clearly communicate. Clear communication promotes understanding.

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"..............nothing if not viciousness..........."

Should have been the one campaign slogan of BigOrangeSnakeS**t.

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Rob, I have searched three times up and down the column of commenters and my first comment giving the name "comeuppance" seems to have disappeared. Explanation?

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Reassuring, isn't it, that potential domestic terrorists are being identified and forbidden to board planes:

tter.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1348052184961740800

Also gratifying to know the insurrectionists who are at the beach on a bench drinking coffee are being dealt with:

tter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1348311169480712192

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A militia of antifa black bloc took to the streets of Manhattan today to claim ownership of the public space. Here

But that's okay as they aren't Trump supporters.

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There is no "antifa".

This twitter thread is much like screaming "Fire" in a crowded movie theater.

It pisses you off because you are too stupid to look up the source and discover:

A group of about 25 demonstrators wearing black bloc and carrying defensive shields formed up in an intersection in Manhattan to begin a march to Times Square, independent journalist Andy Ngo revealed in a video from journalist Dean Moses

Wow, 25 guys doing CosPlay reported on Breitbart.com. Followed by maybe another 100 people.

Your claim that it was antifa that infiltrated the insurgents that attacked the capitol is just as STUPID.

I'd kind of like to give you a break, but you're the problem. A Trump supporter who can't see the truth. Drink up that Breitbart crap and never, ever question it.

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But the moron in chief swallowed and parroted the same story. Trump said it too.

As I've said, anyone who brings up antifa in just about any context goes on my idiot list.

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Mayor of Portland Ted Wheeler called ANTIFA by name today... Which is crazy because I remember him telling us they were a myth and everything was caused by Trump....... I guess another for your idiot list Rob.

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Get off the "Antifa" BS. Give it a rest. JHGDMFC! Find another, more benign fantasy to fill your imagination. Take up reading - Grimm's Fairy Tales would be a good substitute.

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Let's not forget that Biden called Julian Assange a "high-tec terrorist" way back in 2010. Terrorist states should not be surprised when violence is directed back at hem. Chickens come home to roost.

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I am absolutely befuddled why anyone would still support Trump.I keep thinking about what Trump said: "I could go out and kill someone and still not lose any supporters". This seems so true.Trump also told the story about "the snake" and how it came back to bite it's supporter. Trump supporters seem not to care that

Trump has no moral integrity whatsoever. Please tell me.... what is the attraction to this snake?

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Desperation. He "talked" as if he was an antiestablishment warrior, Robert. To those abandoned and abused who struggle daily in flyover America, Trump's perceived wealth and power cast him as a big brother who could come to the playground and smack down the bullies. To them he was an elite willing to fight the other elites. History, both actual and as represented in literature, poems and film, is filled with such characters. I recommend reading Michael Parenti's, The Assassination of Julius Ceasar to grasp the psychological allure of the populist hero I'm alluding to here. That he let them down only served to enflame the transferance of their rage onto the anti-Trump forces whom they blame, with perhaps some degree of truth, for his failures.

For his part, Trump is Gatsby longing to be acknowledge by the East Egg elites. He saw succeeding as POTUS as the ticket. I don't think he realized in his pre-election interview in Rolling Stone that the platform of ending wars, building infrastructure, creating a health care plan based on the Canadian system would be impossible to achieve and that the script called for embracing the assigned role of model spokesperson - i.e., stooge or production assistant - for the establishment. Once he grasped this rigged reality, his ego forced him to chose the adulation of the masses over conforming to that scripted role. His one sterling accomplishment, inadvertant as it may be, was to wake up the lower classes to the inherent danger of the security and intellingence apparatus - the deep state - and that MIC is not their friend. Now it's the masses who question authority - just as nonconformists of past generations - and do not trust our thoroughly corrupt and brutal imperial state. A left, right role reversal.

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There certainly is a lot of anger out there.

I think you are right about a lot of things.

I ashamedly admit I voted for Trump, because I didn't like the "establishment", ie the

likes of Hillary and so forth. But.... Trump became increasingly crass and belligerent and I

soon regretted my decision. I still hold to my basic belief: "In order for the world to change,

men must change from within." Politics will never solve the problems of the human

condition.

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Well said. And I agree with the last statement. Problem is the precarious financial state in which many Americans are circumscribed. It exerts a fight or flight response annealed from necessity. Many of my friends and collegues gloss over this aspect until I ask them if they have ever once found themselves in a situation where they really and truly did not know if they had money to eat. Needless to say none of them have. So there is this fundamental chasm in experience that blocks empathy. The incredible power of group dynamics and political identity must be bridged first by a leader capable of uniting people by leveling the playing field, without resorting to the bad optics of cozying up to celebrities and elites. Biden is clearly not that guy, and his replacement, KH, is worse than he.

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Those who miss Trump won't miss him for long.

Biden/Harris will never live up to the promises they (did not) made.

I'm old enough now to realize the betrayal of the last 40 years (and more).

Sadly, when I try to communicate that to younger generations they either identify me as a Biden or a Trump supporter. Or respond with "OK Boomer".

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He also showed that he was an all mouth punk ass murdering bastard playing both sides, feathering his bed and ultimately insane. In his last bit of pique, perhaps he is foretelling something we don't know.

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It seems that once in a while Trump practiced the role of the other 'Don" (Quixote) without

a single friend (Sancho). Pity the windmills!

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It appears from the first day of his election and before it became routine to awake with his prize horse's head in his bed by the competition, deserving or not. Who has so many horses or stamina to withstand the onslaught by a global criminal cabal/s?

It may turn out yet that his election as Michael Moore said "was the biggest FU by the American people" to the long reign of the criminals and their purchasers who cannot be separated and the façade that has been cracked by the quickening of events on a heightened level and duration for the past decade or two or more. Trump was the battering ram not the savior and has served his purpose like Nero fiddling by the firelight. There are many who have fallen on their own sword for different reasons in the battle of sinners and saints and others who have awoken to know the bell is tolling for them.


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Trump started his presidency with control of the House and Senate. He is massively handicapped by his grotesque, profound malignant narcissism. It rendered him unable to assemble a strong, competent team of people to get things done.

Every president has an opposition. It is the challenge and job of that president to get things done in spite of it. Making excuses for Trump is beneath you. And the talk of him being a battering ram sounds a lot like qAnon talk. He is no hero. He is a fool and idiot who has managed to dupe millions of people with his lies.

It amazes me that after 60 plus failed legal assaults on the vote in front of Judges, the maga idiots are still claiming that the evidence was never presented. That's because there was none. Support for the Trump stolen election claim has become a full blown, florid mental illness.

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I think it's gradually becoming clear that the Maggites (to coin a term... or should it simply be Maggots?) couldn't care less if Trump really won the election or not. They are just bona fide brown-shirters who simply want their own, personal, fascist in power, and will use the Big Lie... or any other excuse, to further that particular end.

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"making excuses for Trump is beneath you" must have floored you. Can you still get up?

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Rob, I will try and respond respectfully here because you have earned it from the beginning of my relationship with OEN however I detect from your response to my comment you have assumed and stated a few things which are not true and I feel this is from a clouded or jaded misplaced judgement (I hope this is the case)!

I would not disagree that "He is massively handicapped by his grotesque, profound malignant narcissism".

Nor would I disagree with "It rendered him unable to assemble a strong, competent team of people to get things done".

However "unable to assemble a strong, competent team of people to get things done" (the peoples work versus elitist rule) we have seen this before in both Parties and their Administrations and it has to do with the real power behind the curtain that is occasionally glimpsed by those who pay attention in an investigative frame of mind, devoid of knee jerk reactions or perceived fixed dogma.

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (administrations), too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery. Thomas Jefferson

I could go on to give many examples but we are grownups and I will keep it as simple and clear as possible and void of emotional responses from either side of the aisle (sic) because I and many others know who our common enemy is regardless of the color of the curtain. This for the most part helps guide us to a more intelligent conclusion of events and who is behind them (who benefits) and why.

We have had many discussions in supporting and funding Bernie on this, you were there but seemed to have capitulated as well to what?

"It appears from the first day of his election and before it became routine to awake with his prize horse's head/s in his bed".

We have all seen this from the competition with any people voice the controlled influences/MIC and all that it entails), deserving or not.

"Who has so many horses or stamina to withstand the onslaught by a global criminal cabal/s?"

We saw the resistance and persecution from inside by his appointees and others behind his back and openly through the MSM, the political speeches of the controlled and purchased entities as they praised him on the front pages when he bombed and maimed with death and destruction as his predatory predecessors did.

"And the talk of him being a battering ram sounds a lot like qAnon talk. He is no hero. He is a fool and idiot who have managed to dupe millions of people with his lies".

Where they duped or as Michael Moore proclaimed "he was the biggest FU from American citizens to the status quo"?

Well I will contribute this remark as unhinged and restate that I consider him as no savior from the deep state and how can "battering ram" against the status quo in the wildest imagination classify me as a dupe of qAnon or a follower there of (shame on you)!

If he did not have that effect from before even entering office you are under some kind of fog that is something you must deal with personally.

Neither Party wanted him nor did I personally but it seems to have had its consequences in exposing even more to the American people that they do not only not have friends in the status quo but enemies of their ability to have a voice in their nation for some time now.

What would have them do vote for the same status quo of common enemies? We have seen this dog and phony story for too long and I now suspect the reaction to the battering ram is going to have a very powerful free exit/escape from the propaganda powers of persuasion from the MSM owners and owned status quo. Have you looked at the stock price drops of the corporations stifling free speech?

Let us all hope that there is hope and change from the people instead of phony rhetoric from the master's puppets.

I make excuses for no one Rob and have not in my comments, how dare you demonize me by misstatements, am I being targeted for some kind of assignation from you? Have at it big boy.

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Ah, George, I don't wish it, but I sense Rob is being bothered by something we don't

understand Perhaps Adelson's demise has more upsetting effect than one might surmise.

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I will refer back to Thomas on this Nels; Single acts may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably and beyond where the modus operandi is demonize, propagandize for cover from the war and crimes against humanity. I have seen this in every nation we have destroyed not only the government but the peoples' lives, their infrastructure and the environmental damage causing long term, slow painful deaths of its citizens and their children.

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Welcome...keep an eye open for snakes of all sorts, left, right, you name it.

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Mr W'ms

For years now I've preferred The United Snakes as a proper title for this writhing ball of serpents

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Perhaps it is testament (old or new...) to your genuine religious faith and obviously sincere adherence to spiritual values that God has led you to a place where someone like Donald Trump is utterly beyond your comprehension.

I say: congratulations and keep up the good work!

:)

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Thank you Al. I consider you a spiritual brother and I have said that to very few people.

Admittedly, it's hard to keep the faith these days, but have to keep moving forward.

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