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Like a child who had gotten caught with his hands in the cookie jar, SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh looked into the eyes of United States Senators and the American people and said he did not do it. However, no amount of tears or righteous indignation will change the fact that placing "Renate Alumnius" on his yearbook page was not an act of "affection", he was not old enough to legally drink at the time he allegedly tried to rape Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, or that he regularly attended parties like the one described by Ford.

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Taken by themselves, these lies are inconsequential; tales from a man suddenly held accountable for the sins of his youth. However, they do not exist in a vacuum. Kavanaugh is a nominee for a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. And he is accused of attempting to rape a former acquaintance.

Every child (with the possible exception of Donald Trump Jr.) is taught that just one lie can jeopardize the believability of every other statement that is made by that person. Kavanaugh's sexual harassment of Renate Schroeder Dolphin may not have relevance to the nominee's ability to be a Supreme Court Justice, but his inability to accept responsibility as an adult does. The fact that he would lie about the act exposes further character flaws that do not belong in the highest court in the country. If he is willing to lie so blatantly about this act, can his denial of Ford's allegations be believed?

Yet somehow a third of the country is willing to brush these lies aside. Given that 54 percent of Republicans think that Kavanaugh should be confirmed even "if the charge of sexual assault during a party in high school by Christine Blasey Ford" is true, this should not be surprising. Donald Trump has lied thousands of times since the start of his presidency and his approval rating currently stands at 41%. America has replaced right and wrong with blue and red. We are a house divided. Can we stand?
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Carl Petersen is a parent and special education advocate, elected member of the Northridge East Neighborhood Council and was a Green Party candidate in LAUSD's District 2 School Board race. During the campaign, he was endorsed by Network for Public Education (NPE) Action and Dr. Diane Ravitch called him a "strong supporter of public schools." His past blogs can be found at www.ChangeTheLAUSD.com. Opinions are his own.

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Break away from blue and red. Be Green. The only party that challenges corporate control of our lives and the planet.

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Good idea. I did, but Jill got something like 1% of the vote. Something else has to happen.

In my state, the last time Andrew Cuomo was up for reelection the Green candidate, Howie Hawkins, did equally abysmally. But earlier, in the Democratic primary, Zephyr Teachout did surprisingly well against him. That tells me a progressive hostile takeover of the Democratic party may be a more realistic goal.

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I saw a chart showing that the Green Party candidate has never won any significant office in America. No federal elected office, for sure. All they've done is given us George W. Bush and Donald Trump.

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Try being the only party that doesn't take corporate bribes and has as its aim to overturn the dominant paradigm. We've been kept out of debates, ignored and trashed in the for profit media, called every epithet you can think of and blamed for political losses that were the fault of the lousy Dem candidates themselves.


We have more candidates than ever running this November. At some point, we're going to break through. Especially once we get Ranked Choice Voting in multiple states.


What I find interesting is the Establishment wouldn't be working so hard to undermine the Green Party if they weren't afraid of us appealing to the majority of disenfranchised people who don't vote which is a larger percentage than either party has. Two thirds of people polled in this country say we need a third party to challenge the duopoly.


It's easy to stand on the sidelines and throw stones. How about getting in the trenches with us and fighting back?

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Greens are extremist.

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Does your chart show why oh so "liberal" democrats are so afraid of ditching the Party that has failed all of us, time and time again? I mean, c'mon, it's not like the System is (or ever has been) working in a good way. Imagine for a moment that your blood is Native American, or your skin is brown... Shoot, you can't even prove that my vote has been honestly tabulated, or that the Electoral College won't ignore said vote.


Please explain how they taught you to think that Ralph Nader and Jill Stein gave you Big Bush and Trump.


Why are you so pissed off at folks who vote their hearts, and hit the Green button? I've wasted my vote on Democrats before, that is voted for what I thought was the lesser of two big evils, as opposed to voting for that candidate I believed was sincere and had the proper vision along with the intestinal fortitude to see it through. Not that voting in a US election isn't an extreme waste of time.


If I choose to vote, it will only be for radical change of the entire system, and the Dems ain't offering any such thing. If they do, they're lying. You keep on believing the lies, if it helps you to sleep, but don't try to make me feel guilty for refusing to support the left branch of the Corporate Capitalist/Reckless Consumer party. In my mind that would be like asking the Bull to clean up the mess he made in the china shop.


The U.S. Nation deserves Trump and every single one of his appointees. Sadly, the Earth Mother does not. Will Democrats heed the wake-up call? Unlikely... They'll nominate another Clinton, and then point fingers at everyone but themselves as the Empire continues its current trend.


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The DNC ensured Trump's victory when they tampered with the primary process. Sanders brought a lot of energy into the party. Had Clinton won the primary without cheating, this would have naturally transferred to her in the general election. Because they felt cheated these new voters stayed home, voted for Stein or actually voted for Trump. This cost her the election, not the Greens.

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When Sanders was contemplating a run for the presidency, he made a calculated decision to try to secure the Democratic nomination rather than run as an independent. He's been in politics a long time and I defer to his wisdom. I believe the abysmal showing of both Green and Libertarian candidates in the 2016 presidential election, despite the unpopularity of both mainstream candidates, vindicates that choice.

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What about the Libertarians? I believe they got something like 3% of the popular vote to the Greens' 1%. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who would have rather voted for a Democrat than Trump but couldn't stomach HRC went for Gary Johnson instead.

How does Stein's 1% of the popular vote compare with the amount by which HRC actually won the popular vote. Favorably, I'll bet.

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I don't think there is any allegation of sexual harassment of Renate Schroeder Dolphin, only boastful innuendo about activity that apparently never took place. It would be a mistake to try to lump that with "sexual harassment". She did say it was "hurtful", but hurtful isn't harassing, which means repeated assault when it's clearly unwelcome, not something you read in a yearbook years later.

Habitual intoxication (while maintaining good academic standing, noted) can be written off as youthful indiscretion, as can crude sexual or misogynistic language, or even bar room fights. Lying about them at a confirmation hearing should be a big deal though. As it was when he and Ken Starr ambushed Bill Clinton with their "perjure your self now or sleep on the couch" ultimatum.

The most appalling reference in the article is people who think it shouldn't matter even if Christine Blasey-Ford's allegations from 36 years ago are true. That means it's OK to have tried to rape a girl and OK to be lying about it now, to be seated on the supreme court. There should never be a pass for rape, no matter how long ago, whether successful or not.

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Actually, publically posting this kind of boast would be considered harassment today. However, the point I made in the article was that he described it as "affection". This was clearly another lie.

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Do you think that's wise? The definition of sexual harassment being wide enough to drive a truck through is of concern to some people. The backlash against "political correctness" is part of how we got Trump in the first place.

Yes he lied, numerous times, attempting to project a Boy Scout image. You don't need an FBI investigation to determine that, anyone not chugging the GOP Kool Aid can see it. But the Democrats overplayed their hand. They tried to make it too much about his rowdy drinking past when its only real relevance was the extent he was lying about it.

I have argued elsewhere that the only conceivable motivation for Christine Blasey-Ford to make her accusation falsely is a conspiracy. The FBI is really good at finding out things like that: suspicious large money transfers, financial troubles that may motivate someone to take a bribe, inconsistencies in her story, etc. In my opinion an honest investigation would have focused at least some energy on that angle. To that end the people interviewed should have included Blasey-Ford, her husband and the therapist who produced the record of her 2012 sessions where she allegedly first talked about the attempted rape. Absent any evidence of fraud after a reasonably thorough search would make it much more likely she is telling the truth, hence Kavanaugh is lying. There's a tendency to walk on eggs about putting the victim on trial, but I believe Blasey-Ford herself expressed willingness to talk to the FBI.

Instead the Democrats focused on getting the FBI to focus on Kavanaugh's drinking habits, his boorish behavior toward women and grasping at straws to verify an almost unverifiable narrative from 36 years ago. Polling shows this is likely to motivate the GOP base to get out and vote, backfiring on the Democrats.

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Do I think that it wise to prevent someone from boasting about sexual conquests, real or imagined, in a public forum? Absolutely!


Trump and his followers are only against "political correctness" when it comes to protecting hate speech. Their crusade against Kaepernick is just one example of how their belief in "free speech" only goes one way.


I'm not sure where you got the impression that the Democrats only focused on Kavanaugh's drinking habits.


November will show which side actually gets motivated by this debacle.

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I disagree. I'm not saying boasting is right, but I don't think we need legal sanctions. Of course, if someone is publicly slandered as being sexually promiscuous she can always sue for defamation of character. It's rude and hurtful to make fun of overweight or crippled people too but I don't think there should be laws against that either. Unfortunately, role models for voluntary civility and compassion are few and far between these days.

The rage against political correctness is very real. There is a fear, that demagogues like Trump are only too happy to stoke, that unless you tread a very fine line, particularly if you are a white male, you are likely to be labeled a racist or sexual harasser, or found guilty of something of which you are innocent without due process. I believe liberals have a tendency to try to push the boundaries of hate speech, sexual harassment or sexual assault too far. To be fair, the "#me too" movement has brought out some egregious behavior that by no means should be tolerated, or legal. Unfortunately, with a few exceptions like Bill Cosby, there's been little or no due process.

Don Giovanni was not escorted to hell by a statue of the general he killed while trying to rape his daughter for merely boasting about his sexual conquests :-)

Agree that a very short time will tell how the voters are motivated.

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Your voice seems to be wise but lost to public.

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It is tragic that the pathetic lies of Dr. Ford are believed; it is tragic she was at the hearings at all.

I fully support and fell for any woman who is in anyway assaulted.

Dr. Ford wasn't assaulted; I hope in my lifetime she is forced to confess her lies and set by the the Witch Feinstein.

She can't get the dates as to when this happened straight?

Prosecutor Rachel Mitchell Highlights Massive Inconsistencies In Christine Ford's Testimony

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'No reasonable prosecutor would bring this case': Specialist sex crimes attorney brought in to quiz Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh at Senate committee says there is NOT enough evidence to back accuser's claims

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You fully support and feel and then .... blah blah blah

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This is a basic logical error, obviously motivated by political bias. Just because she can't prove she's telling the truth doesn't mean she's lying.

Of course Mitchell would say that regarding a criminal trial. The standard of evidence there is "proof beyond reasonable doubt". No one claimed the evidence was that strong. But there's a huge moral distinction between deciding whether or not to send someone to jail, and whether or not to grant someone a distinguished appointment offered to very few.

If you're so certain she was lying, what do you suppose was her motive? Do you think Soros was paying her?

In my own opinion, the odds are greater Kavanaugh was lying. Not 100%. Maybe not even 70%. But the odds are much better than zero we just appointed a liar and rapist to the supreme court. Is that the outcome anyone wanted?

If Blasey-Ford was lying, though, then your wish is my wish.

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It is tragic that the pathetic lies of Dr. Ford are believed; it is tragic she was at the hearings at all.

I fully support and feel for any woman who is in anyway assaulted.

Dr. Ford wasn't assaulted; I hope in my lifetime she is forced to confess her lies set up by the Witch Feinstein.

She can't get the dates as to when this happened straight?

Prosecutor Rachel Mitchell Highlights Massive Inconsistencies In Christine Ford's Testimony

www.informationliberation.com/?id=59144

Chris Menahan InformationLiberation Oct. 01, 2018

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'No reasonable prosecutor would bring this case': Specialist sex crimes attorney brought in to quiz Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh at Senate committee says there is NOT enough evidence to back accuser's claims

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What about the Libertarians? I believe they got something like 3% of the popular vote to the Greens' 1%. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who would have rather voted for a Democrat than Trump but couldn't stomach HRC went for Gary Johnson instead.

How does Stein's 1% of the popular vote compare with the amount by which HRC actually won the popular vote. Favorably, I'll bet.

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