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Big Defeat of Trump Will Be Message to DNC That Reinforces How Bad Hillary Was

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When the blue and pink (women) wave manifests tomorrow night it will be a message to the DNC that they blew it going all in for Hillary, sabotaging the primary. It will be a message that Trump did not win, but rather, Hillary lost.

When districts where Trump won big are flipped to Democrat that will make it clear that the 2016 vote was a vote against Hillary. it will also make it clear that Hillary and the DNC fools who rigged the primary not only lost the White House, but they cost the Democratic party the Senate and the House.

Hillary, by cutting her secret deal with the Democrats, caused a disaster for the Democratic party and, really, the whole world.

When the blue and pink wave happens it will show that, indeed, American voters do want to elect women. They just didn't want to elect Hillary, the most hated, distrusted Democratic candidate in recent history. The profound bad judgment Democratic leaders used, as superdelegates backing Hillary, will be made ever more clear when we see how the country votes without her on the ballot.

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Of course, when the blue wave happens, the DNC will try to take responsibility for the win. It will be important to challenge that lie and make it clear that the election was proof that Hillary and the DNC were the reason Trump won.

 

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Hello Rob,


You, of course, are right to say that Hillary was a terrible candidate (a good poster person for the neoliberals and war mongers, etc.) and that the DNC fraud, let my the Clinton gang, was a great crime against the people (my words, not yours). However, the rot of the Democratic Party goes far deeper than that. It is owned by, and run for the benefit of, the 1%. In large part we can thank Bill Clinton for that. He betrayed the people and the (luke warm) liberal tradition of the Democratic Party in order to get rich. And rich the Clintons did get...nine figures rich, all while doing their "public service". For those who care about details, the tilt to the right of the party actually started with Jimmy Carter, who trashed detente with the Soviet Union and started down the path of austerity and favoring the interests of big business over the interests of the people. But the radical shift did not come until the Clinton administration. And the party has never once since that time changed its rightward and downward trend. It is a right wing party by any reasonable definition of the term. The party's only appeal is to say that it is not as bad as the Republicans. The fact that Trump is so terrible is, of course, a boon to the Democrats because he is so clownish and despicable that he makes an easy target. But it is significant that the Democrats don't have much to say about its own policies, which are ....almost... as bad as those as its opponent.

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Thanks for posting an obvious truth.Seems there is really only one party in our evolving dystopia

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You are kinda blind.

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Democrats' policies are not good but the Republicans' policies are FAR WORSE.

Those who don't see it are, probably visually, handicapped.

Vote against Republicans.

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My standard for judging the parties is whether they stood behind all the ridiculous wars we have been engaged in to the benefit of the 1% and the detriment to the rest of us and the death to the innocent people both Dems and Repugs have killed in these wars. Judging on this there is only one party. All the other things are inconsequential distractions to people like you and many others that put abortion rights, gay rights, etc. above the murder of innocent people around the world for money. End the death for money and put the money for bombs and death into something good for all the people. Nearly impossible to do with just one War Party!!

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Hi Rick:

I understand your position on how there is only one party and don't disagree with how you feel about it. However, I'm not sure the meme sells well, especially in an era where so many (Like Mr BF) insist that the Republicans are so bad that voters must support the Democrats -- even though the Democrats are bad too.


I am trying to explain to voters the immorality of the concentration of wealth into the hands of so few and how that money corrupts our society. There are members of the 1% who are Democrats and some who are Republican and many who are agnostic. These Oligarchs fight amongst themselves for more power and then try to convince voters that the "other side" (which is an amorphous category that shifts constantly depending on the audience) that they are the "lesser of two evils, vote for us!"


But in the context of the "One War Party", I agree.

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Sometimes it's a line drive out of the park. Sometimes, it makes its way around the field in a circle. Easy jaunt; or base by base.

The goal is always HOME.

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Spot on, IF there is a blue/pink wave. But it there is not, then we face a much more devastating reality than just knowing the 2016 DNC was a terribly misguided coronation: the march of American brownshirts to full-fledged fascism. Today decides if the Spirit of '76 still lies dormant or finally becomes dominant.

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What's the difference between Trump Fascism and Clinton Fascism?

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It had better. There are whispers of her running again. Then I would have to eat my words to all the Hillary bashers here that she is not even relevant any more. If the Democrats somehow manage to run her again against Trump in 2020 they will get exactly what they deserve--but not what we deserve.

I do believe yours is a correct interpretation of the results--IF, not when. As of 11/6/2018 at 8 a.m. it's still an if. Not as big an if as the siege of Laconia but still an if.

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She could run again and you'd still be right that she is not even relevant anymore! ;-)

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Then the Democratic party would quickly follow suit.

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In 2000, ardent environmentalist (and future Nobel Prize winner) Al Gore was defeated by the idiotic radicals who voted for Ralph Nader and threw the election to George W Bush, the worst president in American history. In 2016, many of the same people helped elect Donald Trump over moderate Democrat Hillary Clinton. Aside from her hawkishness, Hillary was indeed a centrist -- not good enough but far, far better than Trump. On many issues, such as women's rights, she was excellent. On almost every issue, in fact, she was moderate. She would have protected gay rights, the separation of church and state, labor rights, immigrant rights, the Supreme Court (!!!!!!), the fight against climate change, the EPA, gas mileage standards, etc., etc.

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Thanks for a little sanity regarding Hillary. She DID get nearly three million more votes than Trump. There have, in fact , been closer elections in terms of popular votes Never before has a "losing" candidate been so maligned by his own party two years later. Even Goldwater wasn't so continually flogged by Republicans, in retrospect. Male chauvinism will be denied by any Hillary-hating liberal until his last dying breath, but Sec. Clinton was extraordinarily qualified compared with many male "winners."

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I've replied to your insults in another post today. It's sheeple like you who will keep me from ever rejoining the Dem party. BTW sheep boy, Obama won the Nobel Peace prize and got us into many more illegal wars as he continued the illegal ones he inherited... "Aside from her hawkishness", she was against Marriage Equality for most of her life and only changed for political reasons. She was against most things most

Americans want. Minimum wage, single payer health, and more. She was a huge fan of fracking too. The Clinton's have done nothing for working union men and women.She was and is a Goldwater Girl! Ask people in Libya what they think of her...I'd agree with them...You should inform yourself far better before insulting intelligent, informed individuals. We have the right to vote for who we believe will best represent our own beliefs. Study our Constitution and Bill of Rights to start. Baa baa baa...

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"Sheepie like you" ???

It is a lie that Obama got us into "more illegal wars".

Of course you have the right to be wrong.

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"We have the right to vote for who we believe will best represent our own beliefs. Study our Constitution and Bill of Rights to start. Baa baa baa..."

The constitution has little to say about individual voting rights. But it's abundantly clear regarding Don Smith's right to tell you how he thinks you should vote :-)

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Smith can express an opinion on how people should vote (I do). But being a jerk about blaming those of us who didn't follow his advice isn't a good idea. If for no other reason than it just reenforces our prejudice against him.


You and Smith are just the other side of the Donald Trump coin. I have no understanding of people who hold Trump in high regard, but apparently you appreciate his form if not his substance.

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I guess jerkiness is in the eye of the beholder.

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I will always tell people that blame the Third Party voters that I don't go out of my way to tell you that your vote for the Establishment Candidate is the reason America is in such a mess.


But, you guys feel the need to convince yourselves that you are ever so much smarter than the "rest of us". You don't take our objections seriously and you ignore the issues we want dealt with. You give us some watered-down half-assed policy (like the ACA) and keep telling us how wonderful it is.


Well, you aren't going to convince me to vote against my own best interests -- which I define, not you.


Your "I'm so much smarter than you are" attitude was injected into the Daily KOS throughout 2016 and it totally backfired because it convinced me (and I assume others) that I was never going to vote for a corporatist again.


There is a rule, "Don't be rude". You might try to figure out how to follow it.

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You are not "the rest of us" but a tiny minority, are you aware of that?

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Look, if you are a Clinton supporter (it appears you are), then it should have been obvious that the use of "the rest of us" in the context of this discussion doesn't include you.


I guess you can call the 70% who voted in the Hawaii Primary for Sanders "a tiny minority". That the HDP political establishment doesn't care about what the voters have to say is a different question. Apparently you and Mazie Hirono would get along just great with a "screw the voter" attitude.


But, let us just assume your analysis is correct, then just exactly what is Smith's point? A "tiny minority" is responsible for Clinton losing? That if a "tiny minority" had voted for Clinton she would have won? It would appear that logic is not one of your strong points.


You don't have to listen to me or care about the issues I care about. I'm not going to call you names like "idiotic radicals" as Smith does. But I am telling you that if you want my vote, address my issues. If you don't address my issues you don't get my vote. What could be simpler. What gives you the right to whine, b*tch, cry and complain because I have a different opinion than your's?


But then, as your response to Weaver shows, you don't understand that Obama did indeed spread the wars and rather than face that truth you call Weaver a "sheeple". You'd do Trump "proud": Fake News!


Yemen started under Obama

Libya started under Obama

The Ukraine fiasco started under Obama

The Honduras government was overthrown under Obama.

The Egyptian coup was under Obama


Now, if you want, I'll allow you to defend Obama by saying it was his Secretary of State who bungled foreign policy so completely. But you can't tell me that the wars were in any way scaled back.

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First, I was Bill's supporter for a while and stopped, never Hillary's.

Many people voted yesterday, they are "the rest of us" that you preach to.

You use language wrong:

"Obama did indeed spread the wars"

No:

Yemen started by Houthis.

Libya started by two Libyan groups, so did Egypt.

Ukraine "fiasco" is not a US war, neither is Honduran coup.

So, Obama did not start or spread any war there.

Finally, pay attention.

I did not call Weaver "sheepie" , he called Don that and I quoted him with disapproval.

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My use of the term "rest of us" clearly referred to voters who you and Smith believe are "left" but did not vote for Clinton.


Yemen has always been at war. Much like Afghanistan. It is foreign powers like the USA which keeps things stirred up. What Obama responsible on his own for what is happening there? No, but he surely is supporting the Saudi efforts and it is US drones that are blowing up schools busses. That you want to insist that it is all the fault of the Houthis is ridiculous. That would be equivalent to saying that the Iraq invasions where all the fault of the Kurds.


That you fail to acknowledge that Hillary Clinton bragged about her involvement in the overthrow of Honduras baffles me. I guess you have a very limited definition of war. Trump is at war with illegal immigration. The US has been pursuing a war on drugs for decades. I guess under your definition, Afghanistan isn't a war either.


In the end, you are confounding the issue with your own definition of words that I do not accept.


So, what is it? Did Obama not support the Saudi's in Yemen? Of course he did. Did Hillary Clinton not rejoice at the murder of Gaddafi? Of course she did. Did the US expansion of NATO into Ukraine not push the Russians to counter our patently aggressive move? Of course it did.


The US is not the "good guy" trying to bring peace on earth, goodwill toward men. I don't understand how you can pretend otherwise.

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You just use the expression "started the war" very wrongly.

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"I will always tell people that blame the Third Party voters that I don't go out of my way to tell you that your vote for the Establishment Candidate is the reason America is in such a mess."

Exactly!

That simple point that seems to completely escape a population bamboozled and divided by identity politics.

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The DNC will not see any of these signs, should they happen, as they were blinded then as they did not, or failed, to see the polls indicating Sanders would have beat Trump while at the same time in the same polls Trump would beat Hillary.

To make matters even worse they are still hoping to commit the same fraud in the primaries should Hillary decide to run again.

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I'm going to go out on a pretty crowded limb and predict that the Dems will retake the House, barely, but actually lose a couple of seats in the Senate - which means no impeachment, a flood of Trump judicial appointees which will tilt the courts for over a generation, and deadlock pretty much everywhere else, with the possible exception of some sort of infrastructure bill, just because it is getting so desperate that even the rural Republicans can't ignore it much longer.


Congress will then continue to be the "Junior Partner" to the Executive Branch, especially in foreign policy. Warmongering will accelerate and the North Koreans will eventually get provocative again, while the American economy finally runs off its sugar high and begins the next recession. Then, we'll get real change at the top in 2020...if we survive that long.


The rural bias of Congress, particularly the Senate, but the House too, plus all the forms of voter disenfranchisement are not figured into the polls at all, which still act as if everyone who wants to vote will be able to.


This is not so, and most people who've looked at this closely say the Dems have to win the popular vote by 5-7% to actually prevail in the election. This is a very high hurdle, especially in the swing states, where the obstacles are highest.


Also, the Democrats have no real position, other than being anti-Trump. The left-wing Democrats do, but beyond the states and districts that were already safely blue already, it's hard to see how that will scale, for now at least.


One big danger: if the Democrats still lose both houses, it will irreparably damage democracy, perhaps forever. The message will be that it really doesn't matter what the turnout is, the game is rigged, or at least the turnout from the other side will always keep the status quo. People will wait for hours to vote to effect change. They won't wait for hours if it won't.


Second big danger, which could happen unless there is a real Blue Wave that takes both houses, and maybe even then: the Republicans have been preparing to gut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security all summer. I believe it's why Paul Ryan decide NOW was the time to quit, after doing an unpopular vote to end these programs as we know them.

The rest of the Republicans, especially those who lost or who are retiring, will vote to please their next bosses in the corporate Koch world during the lame duck session, when people are exhausted from the elections and thinking of the holidays. This is when unpopular bills get passed, historically. Be prepared to lose 20-40% of Medicare benefits, and also see means testing for Medicaid knock deserving people off the roles, and some scaling back of Social Security too. All of this robbing of the Middle and Working classes will guarantee a recession, but it will be too late to stop it then, and we'll need a full Democratic takeover in 2020 to get it all back, and then some.

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And just what, with a full Dem. takeover, is this 'ALL' that we are going to get back in 2020? The ALL that Obama had for the first few months? then lost?

All this talk is getting goofy.

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Relax! At least we were spared the unmitigated HORROR of a Hillary presidency. BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary, but can only imagine the hair raising accusations and subtle bigotry, which the Trumpers would have employed against Sanders. His "base" would have eaten it up.

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You proved so smart, my friend.

What do you think about 2020?

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Just commented yesterday on Opted that if the democrats win the DNC will just take it that people support their centerist big business policies.the corporations still provide all the perks for both parties and the big donations so i don't see anything changing.It will take a major catastropy like the depression of 1929 before the American people and especially the 2 parties decide to do anything different and then it will be a fight between total fascism and progressive change to see whose idea wins

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A great depression with permanently entrenched Hooverites and no hope ever of recovery.

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I agree with you in principle but I'm pretty sure the DNC establishment won't "take it that people support their centrist big business policies."


The truth is that the Democratic Establishment doesn't care what voters do or don't support. That is why most election issues are rather peripheral to the important issue which is the immoral concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Name one candidate who is running on this issue. For that matter maybe you can name one who has brought it up.


The election is all about pre-existing conditions and immigration. Two important issues, but in the list of what should be important, somewhere down below the top 20.


No one is talking about the debt.

No one is talking about the MIC

No one is talking about the wars (other than to use their service in those illegal wars as justification for holding office.)

No one is talking about Climate Change.

I won't go on, I'm pretty sure I'm being obvious.

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Well, lots more progressive voices have sprung into office. For decades now, I have been disappointed by the democrats, who just can't seem to see that progressivism is the only hope, not only for them, but for the people. Finally, I have some hope that the "middling" may be done muddling. We have voices now in several places, daring to mention the "S" word. Even better, republican efforts to make it into an obscene word are not working like they once could count on.

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Right on!


All of the commenters brought up incisive and relevant points, and my only comment is a question: why have none of the other pundits and columnists in the big major media brought up precisely the point you made, especially about the DNC taking credit for these wins, if that is to be the case.


Perhaps they are just biding their time and hedging their bets to see who exactly won what.


Me? I have been so long focused on Beto's campaign in Texas and a few others to a much lesser extent, but my conclusions are that my idea of the Battle of the Editorial Pages is absolutely right on and needs to be developed massively for 2020!



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Beto seems quite presidential to me ;-)

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Agreed.

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Whenever people say the Dems don't give a beep about the middle class (or peace or inequality ...), you should reply, "What Dems are you talking about?" The Dems are divided. Huuuuge numbers of Dems voted for Bernie Sanders (and AOC, for example). There are lots of progressive Dems, even in Congress. They lack the power to beat the corporate, militarist Dems -- largely because the further Left (e.g., the Dem haters here) keep bashing ALL Dems and refuse to join hands with the progressives who are fighting to take back the Democratic Party.


Gore was an environmentalist!

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Still is, AFAIK.

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Say it, Rob. Only Hillary could have lost to a candidate so lousy as Trump. Bernie would have swabbed the stage with his orange hair, had he but had the opportunity to debate him.

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