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I just can't figure out how to think about current events in "Crazytown". Is anonymous a coward or a patriot. I do know one thing, he or she (I will use he) is an original Trumpian and had drunk the Kool-Aide from the beginning, unlike most in this country. So what is he? If he is a coward it is hard to believe he had the courage to send the Op-Ed to the New York Times to begin with. If he is a Patriot then how is it that he could have sat on his hands this long while Trump ran rough shod over the country. Possibly he is neither a coward nor a patriot but simply a deep throat whistle blower with some motivation we cannot yet see. All that said, it is not all that important to me what his anonymous status reveals. I am most troubled by the fact I seem more open minded than the totality of the Congressional Republicans.

Trump thinks he can order the New York Times to reveal anonymous' name and turn him over to the government. Trump seems so oblivious to the country he lives in, and the constitution that protects citizens from what Trump appears to be. This country does not charge whistleblowers of treason and sentence them to death; much to Trumps chagrin.

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As much as I support the outing of Trump's instability I am very concerned about who is actually running this country. If what is said is true, and I think it is, it indicates we have a shadow government that no one actually voted for unless it is Pence. That seems to me to be highly unlikely since Pence seems to follow lock step with Trump like a little puppy. If appointed people are making policy, or hiding important issues from the President we are in worse trouble than I originally thought. I realize Trump only feels obligated to the American people to the point it benefits him, but he is the duly elected President.

Do we have a Shadow government? The problem with a shadow government is that the next step must be a puppet government. If Trump is not dangerous enough imagine a president whose opinions are simply given to him by populists who have no intention of fulfilling anything promised. Unknown people who may not be associated in any way with the inner circle of the administration pulling every string attached to the powers of the President.

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Another question is who may be pulling strings of congressional Republicans? Has this whole thing been a slow burn form Reagan through Bush to Trump? What motivates the congressional Republicans? It appears to me that the selling of one's soul is an auction on the hill and a race to the bottom of human decency. Merrick Garland is the first great leap. Where was the American public's outrage of a dirty unconstitutional rules trick by Mitch McConnell of refusing even a fair hearing? The Senate Majority Leader's actions in this case was amoral. Then again Mitch McConnell is amoral. Holding thousands of documents until hours before hearings on a potential puppet Brett Kavanaugh is beyond the pale. Is this not obvious? From voter suppression, Senate rule changes, and tax laws that have no benefit to those who elect these congressional deceivers, to benefits designed only for the incredibly rich in America. It seems that in today's political environment the constitution is not worth the paper it is written on to some. It also seems the voters have an insatiable appetite for voting against their own best interest.

It may eventually become obvious that the puppet masters are hiding in plain sight, yet I believe there is a certain segment of the American public who would react with indifference because they simply do not care. Rationalizing that what is slowly becoming the laws of the land is worth the corruption behind these political outrages.

Falling back to my original point; I did not vote for those who claim to protect us by exerting their "altruistic" actions to undermine the office of President of the United States, nor did I vote for the puppet. There is no precedent, law, nor legal way to achieve this less implementing the 25th Amendment.

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So to Anonymous, get off your "I am saving the United States" self-admiration. Do what you need to do, and take steps to remove this incompetent moron. If he is a danger to the American public get the hell out of the way and let his actions and those of the Republican Congressional members' show why we are the embarrassment of democracy worldwide.

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A shadow government is not sustainable under the constitution.

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The constitution was not sustainable under the shadow government. The government has been under emergency decree since 9-11. This has never been rescinded.

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Reagan was wide-eyed with dementia his last years in the White House. GW Bush was a friendly face for a government run by Dick Cheney. FDR was on his deathbed when he was elected for his 4th term in office, and his successor, Harry Truman, was hand-picked for his diffidence and inexperience so that James Byrnes could run foreign policy. If I only knew a little history, I could probably give you many more examples going back to Ulysses S. Grant, who was in an alcoholic stupor much of the time he was in the White House.

So what else is new?

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In the case FDR: what he represented in his early years were the same policies held at the end of his presidency and on into the Truman first term. In the case of the selection of Truman to replace Henry Wallace, the question is, why then didn't the DNC convince FDR to choose Byrnes as opposed to Harry Truman or William Douglas. Byrnes proposed a permanent foot on the back of Germany (remind you of the period between WWI and WWII). I could also go on about these two.

Regarding Reagan, as I recall HW's continuation of Reagan's policies which revolved around "Trickle Down Economics" and a policy of outspending the Soviet Union continued. Bush returned to the Whitehouse after Reagan was shot and wrenched control from Alexander Hague who tried to take control of the Presidency. I don't feel anyone was surpassing H.W.'s authority as a duly elected official under any circumstance. Don't see a shadow government there.

Now whether Cheney "ran" the government during the W years may be debatable. Bush refused to Pardon Scooter Libby for outing Valerie Plame which could endanger CIA assets worldwide. That said if Cheney was running the government why didn't his pressure on W result in a pardon. It can be said that Cheney hoodwinked W on many occasions, but had all that influenced Bush? Probably. But remember Cheney was an elected official.

Josh, my problem is a real "Shadow Government". Not a person but a group of people undermining our elected officials. That is the danger. And if I knew a little history I could go back to Lincoln's "Team of Rivals" but that does not necessarily relate to nothing more than an argumentative group Lincoln used to shore up his opinions.

Neither Grant nor Lincoln carried a Nuclear Football, nor did FDR or Truman, and when push came to shove all you had to do is review Truman's reactions to MacArthur in Korea. So I respectfully disagree that today's situation in any way relates to those mentioned.

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Thanks for the pointers on presidential history. Believe me, I don't think it's good that our government is being run by secret, unelected forces - I'm just saying that the Trump administration is not unique.


I would argue that the damage Trump has done in his first 1.5 years has been much smaller than Shrub or The Gipper, or even LBJ who dragged us into Vietnam during his early years in office.

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Being a Marine who was in Vietnam during Tet I must agree with you entirely about LBJ. I opposed the war once I returned and was once again exposed to the free press.


What worries me most about Trump is what he can do, not what he has done. We will recover what damage he has done to date.

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Can't really say trumps contribution was smaller then reagans or gw's destruction of the Us.trump is solidifying the programs these two started in a big way.trump will return us to the 1920's when the corporations totally ran this country before their greed brought its downfall.I would say trumps contributions to the destruction of America are on a par with reagan and GW.

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The closing statement at the Iran Contra hearings was given by Senator Daniel Inouye who headed the hearings. Inouye said, "That (one vision of government presented during the hearings was) a secret government, directed principally by NSC staffers, accountable to not a single elected official, including apparently the president himself -- a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fund-raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself.

" it is an elitist vision of government that trusts no one, not the people, not the Congress, and not the cabinet. It is a division of government operated by persons convinced they have a monopoly on truth.

" ... I believe these hearings will be remembered longest not for the facts they elicited, but for the extraordinary and extraordinarily frightening views of government they exposed."

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How could you have forgotten Woodrow Wilson? Re-elected in 1916, by promising to keep us out of the War to End All Wars - Which he promptly reneged on, and dragged us into the War by promising the Suffragettes the Vote if they would drop their Peace Plank - which many did. That strategy also worked in Britain, BTW.

The result was the end of effective Anti-War Efforts by WILPF - That is short for Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, for those of you with short memories. A hundred years later, an Energetic Democratic Woman Presidential Candidate was running as a Blatant War Monger!

Not only was Wilson a Liar and a Cheat, but during the Peace Conference in Paris in 1918 and 1919, he suffered at least one Stroke. From then on, the US Presidency was in the hands of Wilson's Wife, and his favorite Political Guru - The Colonel. The Colonel was not one, BTW, nor was he in the Cabinet or an Elected Official - Rather, he was one of those 'shadowy character' who emerge from behind the curtain, when the US Political Facade is threatened...

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OK, first Wilson only entered the war after German U-Boats sank seven US merchant ships, and the Germans via the Zimmerman Telegram invited Mexico to enter the war with Germany against the US. Congress declared the war. This was even after the Lusitania with 128 Americans aboard. The US was in that war from the spring of 1917 until September of 1918, about 18 months. We built our military on that war. Had we not entered WWI you would be speaking German today. When it comes to war, those who have been furthest from it understand it the least.


The Paris Peace Conference commonly known as the Treaty of Versailles. Such things as the League of Nations was part of the agenda. Now if my 100 year old memory serves me right, Wilson used nine of Jane Addams (WILFP President for those with a short memory) for his famous Fourteen Points peace process for the armistice of 1918. Now you may also remember that


His wife did shelter him so you may have a point there. Colonel House was an adviser to Wilson (Presidents are allowed advisers), but Wilson broke with him in 1919 after suffering a series of small strokes (today referred to as TIAs) Wilson broke with House and other advisers believing they had deceived him in Paris.

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USA was supplying UK with war munitions, which is why many of those "merchant ships" sank so quickly. The same was true in WW2.


The idea USA would be speaking German if it had not entered the wars in Europe is preposterous. One does not win wars without sufficient logistics. Germany never had control of the Atlantic, only the ability to carry out submarine attacks.

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I have a rich history of presenting preposterous opinions. Yet the fact is that once Europe fell, and it would, and once Japan overtook China, and maybe it would have then my comment of the readiness of our military begun in WWI my metaphoric statement would possibly be true in that we would not be the most powerful country in the world, for now.


Had we not entered WWII Hitler may have focused differently, and Japan could have made different choices as well. I do not know what would have happened, and neither do you.

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your a little behind on your history.The Zimmerman telegraph is recognized by most modern historians as a forgery to get us involved in the war.

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Actually that couldn't be further from the truth. The German government felt that supporting a conflict between Mexico and the U.S.would halt the U.S. from shipping arms to Europe as well as detract the U.S. from entering the war allowing Germany to safely move troops from the Eastern Front to the Western Front. William Hurst assisted in spreading the rumor that the telegram was an deciphered forgery. Wilson would not deny this as it would expose British Code Breaking. The telegraph was authenticated by Arthur Zimmerman at a speech in the Reichstag. Germany resumed their U-Boat activity and nine ships were sunk. This is a brief history kappie. That is a real history.

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Do we have a Shadow government?

Of course.

The people we see on TV don't run this country.

The monsters who control them, do.

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My dream is to have the righteous, who stand for peace, in control of the TV and then, we might be able to do away with most of the Govt. Sure would like them commercials to pay lots of our taxes.

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A 'Shadow Government" Certainly! But also under a very real Shadow. Your solution to Turn Out the Vote and replace the existing 'Bad, Incompetent, Shadowy Guys and Gals, with The Other Guys, who are equally Corrupt, Incompetent, and War Mongers, to boot, is not solution, or even much of a Band-Aid!

Until we have either a successful 2nd US Revolution, or Civil War, or ideally, come up with some viable 3rd Parties with the guts to change things, this is simply generating more hot air and money for the Political Class - Whether Democrats or Republicans.

Not Trump! But, certainty not another Bush, Clinton, Obama, Tag Team Presidency! They've done more damage in the past 40 years, than Trump can manage before he's evicted - One way, or another!

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Who said replace incompetence with incompetence. Then you call them war mongers while at the same time calling for a second revolution or civil war. Now calling the past 40 years a tag team presidency is a stretch as well.


Do you have a problem with voting?


May I suggest Carol, that rhetoric is no substitution for empirical evidence.

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I, for one, am waiting for a decent example of why you disagree with the 'tag team Presidency' remark. Clinton and Obama both continued and expanded the multitude of Wars under the 2 Bushes. Taxes on the Wealthy continue to see cuts, while the Working Stiff gets stiffed by both of the Corporate Parties.


You may disagree, but obviously your education in both Political Science, and History was far more Conservative than mine.

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Regarding Tag Team I do not deal in Rhetoric. If I have no empirical evidence I tend to reserve judgement. Not often easy, but always wise. Presidents do not govern in a vacuum.


I have yet to be able to define Conservative and Liberal. You can have a centrist view and even that can sway based on social and economic views. For example: I believe Social Security and single payer health insurance can be a reality by removing limits on FICA taxes. Very liberal! I believe in abolishing the Dept. of Education in favor of State run education. Conservative. I believe in saving our environment and that it can be started in earnest today. Liberal. I am neither a liberal nor a Conservative, I am a Progressive. I held my nose and voted for Hilary; I hated it. Bernie was my choice, but I was ready to put up with the same-o same-o to avoid Trump.

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I forgot to mention that I had been very active in the Democratic Party until Bill Clinton 'Reformed' Welfare - Cutting the Safety Net for millions of poor Children in the US. Welfare was actually named Aid For Dependent Children and was a major part of FDR's Social Security Program.


Also, I Voted in 1960 for the 1st time, when I was first old enough. Since then, I have voted in every Election, including Primaries. I doubt if there are many who can make the same claim - whether they are members of OEN, or simply the General Public...


However I have Voted 3rd Party for President consistently since Clinton, and a few times before when the Dems backed a lousy Candidate.

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The religious right needs to pack up and fade out of sight so we can get down to a mind our own business way of life in this crowded melting pot. Then there is the Federal Reserve funding the war machine Ike warned us about in vain.

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I hope for the opposite.

Democrat party wrote federal reserve act. Nearly every democrat present voted for it while only a few republicans voted for it. And a progressive liberal democrat signed it into law.

The zionist shadow government USA and world suffers under was handed power and keys to USA by democrat. Shadow government is an anchor around all our necks thanks to progressive liberals continuing plan to utterly gut and destroy america while trying to take over the world through their global development company the UN.

America has several deadly suicidal problems within... All democrats.

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Troll rhetoric. Not one established fact!

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your one sided history and brainwashing gets a little tiring Bill johnson.the corporations you republicans and libertarians support have done a much better job of running this country into the gound creating mass poverty and disenchanted people.your bussiness leaders you want runing this country caused the great depression with poverty wages to the majority of people,so that while shelves were stocked people couldn't afford to buy what they produced.As far as taking over the world it was republicans egging them on to start wars all over the world and if they didn't conservatives branded them communist lovers.both Democrats and republicans have set up shadow governments creating wars throughout the world for the protection of the corporations you worship a nd who by the way started global free trade under republican ronnie reagan

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That is why I call it a 'Tag Team Presidency'. It highlights the current Partisan Political situation, both in Congress and the White House. Both sides are Guilty of robbing the Poor and Working Class to fund their own Riches; plus the multitude of Wars to create the Patriotic Fervor, to continue the suicidal over-reach of the current Elected Officials and the Shadows behind the Curtain.

No matter who wins in our 2 Party Systems, the losers call them Thieves and Liars. When the Figure-Head shifts to the other Party, nothing changes, including the accusations. Just a different group of Partisans doing the yelling, and providing the screen to continue the shell-game!

Plus a few Sheep-Dogs like Bernie to round up the stray Voters...

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Bill Johnson is an anti-semitic troll!

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anti-zionist. Get it right.


Besides, 90% of world's jews are NOT even semites!


A laughable comment there.


And, once again, David Trotter can not follow the rules of this website. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS towards members. Stick to the subject.

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You are right

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I don't support either corporate owned party. Wilson did regret selling the people selling the people out with the Fed. I like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, for their stand against the Fed and the wars.


I think we should listen more to the true prophets of our times like the Beatles who sing for peace and sharing the world. The religious right have become exactly like the religious leaders who killed the lamb: they got not much more than strict letter of the law dogma, missing the spirit of compassion behind the good news of the gospel.

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Imagine my surprise when I read today's Onion and found an article discussing the upcoming Election and the lack of good Candidates. Certainly is relevant to the discussion we are having here about turning out more Democratic Voters in November

Obama Urges Young Voters To Ignore How Many Lousy Candidates Democratic Party Runs

click here

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The rich own this country and run it according to their greedy agenda. They are the secret government. You can't tell me this has not been going on since the beginning with some brief periods of democratic uprisings that temporarily curbed their ruthless rule. We are slipping backwards to the historical norm of oligarchical control.


Voting for corporate Democrats won't stop the slide. They are totally compromised. We're going to have to be willing to get rowdy if we expect to save ourselves and our progeny from total annihilation by these psychopaths. What else is new?

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The rich have always had the bulk of the power but why blame democrats. Have you heard of Citizens United?

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I blame the Democrats especially since Bill Clinton's presidency when he carried on the Reagan agenda of neo-liberal economics. Cut social spending, deregulate the banks and the media, expand the prison industrial complex etc.


He sold the working people out for corporate funding of the Democrats in elections. There are now two corporate owned parties who wage war all over the planet for profit.


What's to like?

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You place Bernie in this category? There are others.


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Yep. Bernie turned out to be a sheep herder.

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You seem not to be able to make up your mind. Running with the hare while hunting with the hound can ruin one's credibility.

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KV, beginning with the Oped news server crash I am not getting any notifications of people I have fanned when the post or replies notification/s via email. Are you experiencing any issues?

I am going to unfan you, then refan you (toggle the system) and see if that works........

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Yes, I did, confirmed and got an acknowledgment.

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In pretty much every large organization the big boss's control is not that strong, and for good reason. The big boss only knows a small fraction of what is necessary for strong control, and leadership is finding good supporters and letting them do most of the real leadership. There are people who managed to run reigns of terror, but they did not accomplish much beyond getting a lot of people killed.

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In pretty much every large organization the big boss's control is not that strong, and for good reason. The big boss only knows a small fraction of what is necessary for strong control, and leadership is finding good supporters and letting them do most of the real leadership. There are people who managed to run reigns of terror, but they did not accomplish much beyond getting a lot of people killed.

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When the unpredictable actionns of the guy who controls the button of the most gigantic nuclear armaments in the world, the rest of us on this planet have reasons to be worried.

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My mistake is calling this a shadow government. That is a Parliamentary term for the opposition. Cabal is a better word.

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Its pretty obvious we have a shadow government running America.Its called the corporation and it controls who gets elected by spending hundreds of millions each year,they are also controlling the news media and working very hard to control education by "choice" schools run for profit and big donations to universities.The majority of donations go to Republicans to serve them but they still give sizable donations to centerist democrats and if a republican builds up so much hate he can't be reelected then they find a democrat who will serve them and there are plenty of centerist democrats willing to do so.generally they will also serve the religious interest because we are a forced protestant country.the main interest of the corporate shadow government is economics if you control a persons wealth you control that person,republicans know this and centrist democrats know not to stray too far from this controlling factor

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Kappie, I hope you did not teach these rhetorical fictions to your students as being historical facts. I have way to little time to counter your imaginings.

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David, you have sparked a good conversation as evidenced by the majority of the comments here. The elephant in the room is "The Iron Law of Oligarchy". Here is where we find how the goverment is captured by the shadow goverment and manipulated by many in what I usually refer to as a transnational criminal cabal and the destruction and theft of our Treasure, Commons and Unalienable Rights.

Note: Lois actually identifies it correctly, sort of as do others.

David Watt's "That (one vision of government presented during the hearings was) a secret government, directed principally by NSC staffers, accountable to not a single elected official, including apparently the president himself -- a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fund-raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself.

" it is an elitist vision of government that trusts no one, not the people, not the Congress, and not the cabinet. It is a division of government operated by persons convinced they have a monopoly on truth.

" ... I believe these hearings will be remembered longest not for the facts they elicited, but for the extraordinary and extraordinarily frightening views of government they exposed."

Josh's "my problem is a real "Shadow Government". Not a person but a group of people undermining our elected officials. That is the danger"

Lois's "We are slipping backwards to the historical norm of oligarchical control"

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Here is the problem George. Most of the people who comment on this thread have some comments rooted in fact. Then they go off the rails, Black Helicopter crazy. Some here I know as Trolls looking for a place to espouse their unbendable views. I will bet that there is much that they mention that is anywhere from half to whole truth, including you. The problem is too often I cannot separate the fly poop from the pepper.

When I look at comments that straddle the fence (which some of mine do) I also look at how firm these people hold to these views. It ceases to be an insightful conversation when one will not consider the other. And when known facts backed by the very people who did them (Zimmerman) are fictionalized I cannot resist a good hand slapping.

I do not believe we are slipping back into an oligarchy because I do not believe we ever were out of it (that is my belief not a fact proven to me). Is this current puppet controlled by a group of people? Maybe, we have just discovered that possibility, hence my comment of a cabal. But these are beliefs, not facts.

I am a Progressive and in order to be a real Progressive I mix caring for others with a well-studied education. I try to believe and do what is right without mixing emotion in. It is the only path to enlightenment. I find that when I hear class hate and bigotry either up or down the food chain I have to screw with those who espouse it. These tendencies are as bad as those who have wealth and shekel those of lesser means.

For crying out loud, we have had one case where "The Onion" was quoted as fact. The Onion is not rhetoric, it is satire, we had an anti-Zionist, some historical fictions, and "rhetorical facts"(oxymoron) I love this place!

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Well.....Until next time!

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Satire is often based on fact. Just because some people confuse Satire with fiction does bot mean that is so!

Also that Link was not posted a "Fact" but as a serendipitous collision with a similar posting on OEN. I believe you are the person who discounted it as comedy, which doesn't mean only lies can be funny!

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Wow!

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Here is another "serendipitous collision" between this Political discussion and my off-topic reading material. It seems the older I get the more my reading inter-mingles - And unlike some, I don't think only Scholarly tomes contain truth.

Especially 'political' truth, which can depend on one's life experience, income, upbringing and even education...

Just as my Step-Dad had a firm view of economics, Cops, and Political Parties and Unions based on the hard-fought Waterfront Battles on the West Coast in the 30's and the 40's, so too do Black Americans have very different opinions, based on experiences White Americans have never faced.

I am currently reading a Detective Story 'Down the River Unto The Sea' by Walter Mosley. He's written s bunch of books in many different genres, but he's one of a very few Black Writers who write Detective Stories.

So, here is the quote which fits right into this discussion on OEN:

"Ever since Reagan busted the Unions, both sides of Congress have become lackeys to the rich. They all get made, paid, and laid, out of the picked pockets of men like me."

The Speaker is the Black Detective, talking to a successful White Congressman.

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Carol, I appreciate your perspective on things. The reason? I always think your perspective is the right one.

As to the Onion, the satire there is often something worth being satirical about. And for that reason, very valid points are made that otherwise, most people would miss. Of course those other people need to understand what they write is satire to make a point. If they don't, they no doubt think it is nothing more than to be humourous and then go home to watch "entertaining tv."

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sat ire

ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/

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  1. the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.


Not my definition. I have been reading The Onion for years. It has no Anchor in reality

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The definition you gave sounds pretty much to me like what the Onion does or is. But it is not your definition so it must be something from Merriam-Oxford-Alfred E Neuman-Urbanish-Webster type dictionary. I do not know what you disagree with as to that definition. I think it is a good one.

Look, I have seldomly, much less for a very long time, spent time reading the satirical Onion. I do not know what you object to as far as what I said. My only point was the Onion can be very good at making a valid point through or using satire.

You say the Onion has NO basis in reality. I disagree. I think they have at least some basis in reality. I say that because their satire can, at least at times, be very on point to make a point...

What is wrong with my point?

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Actually there is nothing wrong with your point. I was actually more snarky than I really felt. My bad!.

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Well David, stop being so snarky. I think I know what snarky means, but I will look it up. :)

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Of you are into the Walter Mosley Easy Rawlins novels, the earlier If He Hollers Let Him Go by Chester Homes s set in the same community only a bit earlier, but it was published not long after it was set.

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This is off topic, so be fore-warned...


I first read Mosley because of something he had written about Jazz. Then I read most of the Easy Rollins books I could find. I hate to say it, but Amazon has made it much easier to track an Author...


I think Mosley got bored with Easy Rawlins, and ventured into Sci -fi. At that time, I wasn't a sci-fi aficionado - yet, so i haven't read or even come across a book by Mosley in years.


The new Detective is a bit less reminiscent of Chandler, but the Jazz link remains. Now I find myself reading in bed, listening to Sidney Bechet or Thelonious Monk because that is the background music of the story. I have to admit I much prefer Monk, BTW.


If you have a good wi-fi system, it's pretty easy to enjoy two hobbies at once:)

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Carol, welcome to OpedNews. You will fit right in here. As far as being off topic that is what I prefer as do many others... So please stay off topic. Be like a hurricane that never crosses the coast line. :)

I used to read a lot of books. Now? Most of my reading is online about a failing world. But I think to be distracted from the mayhem I need to start reading books again even if it is the Hardy Boys.

My point? You read and listen to background music like Thelonius Monk in the background. I do pretty much the same thing. It gets late and I shoot pool balls in the basement and listen to background music turned way up high...

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I have no problem with views that initiate intelligent debate, but off topic?


David, would you like it if you were discussing baseball with some others and someone joined the thread and just changed the subject to quilting? Probably not. I prefer that if I spend a couple hours preparing my initial remarks that we all stay "on" subject.


Imagine if you had six or seven people talking together about six or seven different subjects. Don't you think it would be a bunch of senseless gibberish.


So hopefully "off" subject is a one off thing that most people here do not prefer. It seems to me that if it were the preferred method of conversation it would be both disrespectful and anti-intellectual. Wouldn't you agree?

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I was using satire with Carol. I know that Carol understands it was satire and I thought others would as well. I was simply having fun with Carol and she knows exactly why I talked about the hurricane crossing the coast line.

Of course I was not being serious about being and staying off topic. Maybe like here with my comment, you take the Onion too seriously too. It is satire. David, loosen up a little. I think it would be good for you. :)

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I will pick up some Metamucil tomorrow!

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Time to move on to the next subject.

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