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The Islamic Sunni Taliban, who brutally ruled Afghanistan from 1996 until the US invasion in 2001 and who are now ruling Afghanistan once again, are often described as being Islamic extremists. The Taliban is made up of Muslims and is definitely an Islamic organization, but are they really extremists?

One definition of extremist is: "a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action."

When we objectively look at the "holy" book of Islam, the Quran, we see it has many ungodly and horrific ideas in it. They are not only ungodly and horrific ideas, they are claimed by and believed by Muslims to be commands and teachings from God. When there are 1.8 BILLION people who are Muslims on our planet, and they sincerely believe the Quran and its harmful teachings are from God, it's not surprising there are Islamic organizations like the Taliban, al Qaeda and Islamic State suppressing and killing people in the name of God.

If the Quran did not have teachings and commands for Muslims to use religious violence against non-Muslims, and Islamic organizations like the Taliban used religious violence against non-Muslims, then the Muslims in the Taliban could rightfully be called extremist Muslims. But the reality is that the Quran does promote religious violence and commands Muslims to practice religious violence against nonbelievers. Relative to the Quran, the alleged Word of God for Islam, the terrorists of the Taliban are NOT Islamic extremists, they are practicing Muslims. The vast majority of Muslims to do not commit religious violence, relative to the teachings of the Quran that command Muslims to commit religious violence against nonbelievers, are the true Muslim extremists. This is because they claim to be believing Muslims and believe the Quran is God's final word, yet they don't follow the commands in the Quran to commit religious violence against nonbelievers.

The Quran not only promotes religious violence against nonbelievers, it promotes religious violence by Muslim men against women. When a Taliban spokesman said the Taliban promises to treat women with respect and give them equal rights, he qualified that promise with, "in accordance with the Quran and Islamic law." An honest and objective look at the Quran at 4:34 shows what that means. That verse claims God said:

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."

When the Taliban terrorists recently whipped and beat women who were being rebellious by demonstrating against the Taliban's misogynistic rule, the Taliban terrorists (the article refers to them as "fighters" but in reality they are nothing but Islamic terrorists) were acting in accordance with the above teaching from the ungodly and cruel Quran, just as they said they would. Since the repulsive and misogynistic command for Muslim men to commit religious violence against women is in the Quran, the Taliban are not Islamic extremists for following what the Quran commands.

These Islamic attacks against women, along with all the misogyny promoted by Judaism and Christianity, makes it clear the world needs reason-based Deism. Deism's rejection of belief in a cruel god who commands believers to commit violence against other people, a god who himself burns people in Hell for eternity, offers hope that people can let go of the ungodly and cruel "revealed" religions and move on to the higher ground of reason and Deism and truly embrace the belief expressed by the Deist Thomas Paine when he wrote, "I detest everything that is cruel." This is already starting to happen in the Muslim nation of Turkey. As Deists continue to DO all they can to promote Deism to new people, we will finally free ourselves and society from the death grip of the fear-based and religious violence promoting "revealed" religions. What a wonderful world we will then have created!

 

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The belief in a cruel god as is the case in Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Mormonism only encourages believers to be cruel. As the Deist Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason, The Complete Edition, "Belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man."

God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion! Bob Johnson
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Bob,

See my posts below.

The following is from Edgar Morin's Seven Complex Lessons in an Education for the Future:

Errors of reason

The rational activity of the mind is what allows us to distinguish dream and waking, real and imaginary, subjective and objective. Rationality draws on various means of control: the environment (physical 6 resistance to desire and imagination from the surroundings), practice (verifying activity), culture (reference to common knowledge), other people (do you see the same thing as me?), the cortex (memory, logical operations).

In other words, rationality is corrective, Rationality is the best safeguard against error and illusion. There is a constructive rationality that develops coherent theories and verifies the logic of theoretical organization in terms of compatibility between various ideas composing the theory, and agreement between assertions and the empirical data to which it applies. This rationality must remain open to everything that disputes it; otherwise it closes itself into a doctrine and becomes rationalization. And there is a critical rationality which is exercised particularly on error and illusion in beliefs, doctrines, and theories.

But rationality itself is subject to error and illusion when, as just indicated, it is perverted into rationalization. Rationalization believes itself to be rational because it constructs a perfectly logical system based on deduction or induction. However, rationalization is based on false or mutilated foundations, and remains closed to dispute from contradictory arguments and empirical verification. Rationalization is closed, rationality is open.

Though rationalization draws on the same sources as rationality, it is one of the most powerful sources of error and illusion. A doctrine that obeys a mechanical, determinist model to consider the world is not rational but rationalized. True rationality is by nature open and engaged in dialogue with the real, which resists it. It constantly goes back and forth between the logical instance and the empirical instance; it is the fruit of debate of ideas, and not the property of a system of ideas. Rationalism that ignores subjectivity, affectivity, life, and beings, is irrational. (con't)

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I like to keep things simple: violence and cruelty are wrong. We should change our thinking (our thinking determines our actions) so that there is less violence and cruelty. One important way of accomplishing this is to do away with the idea of a cruel god, which is promoted by all of the "revealed" religions. Deism does this by letting people know that God gave us our innate reason and not any of the "revealed" religions.

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Bob,

Keeping it simple: we can make a major and meaningful distinction between spirituality and organized religion. You seem to conflate the two.

I'd love to hear your response to Morin's and Mumford's critique of "reason."

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Bob,

I would suggest that you are stuck in the 18th century. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that. Applying your fixation to the 21st century is another matter. My sense is that there are more evolved approaches to life than deism.

I also feel that you do not understand the "revealed" aspects of spirituality, as contrasted with what organized religions have done with the original revelations. I do not claim to to be right; I just try to stay open. You can go deeper than you have --- or may not want to question/disturb the position with which you are very comfortable. In general my sense is that you are much too narrow in your focus

I would say that there is a major gap between being "deep and simple" on the one hand, and being a simpleton on the other.

As Mumford and Morin state, reason can obscure as well as reveal, especially when a person using reason is emotionally immature.

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Rationality must recognize the contribution of emotions, love, repentance. True rationality knows the limits of logic, determinism, mechanics; it knows that the human mind cannot be omniscient, that mystery is part of reality. It negotiates with the obscure, the irrationalized, the irrationalizable. It is not only critical but self-critical.

True rationality can be recognized by its capacity to recognize its own shortcomings.

Rationality is not an exclusive prerogative of scientific and technical minds, denied to others. Learned atomists, rational under laboratory constraints and in their sphere of competence, may be completely irrational in politics or private life. Similarly, Western civilization does not have a monopoly on rationality. Long considering itself proprietor of rationality, Western Europe judged all cultures in terms of technological performance and saw nothing but error, illusion, and backwardness in other cultures.

We should know that every society has rationality-including archaic societies with their rationality in tool-making, hunting strategy, and knowledge of plants, animals and terrain-and all societies have myth, magic, and religion. In our Western societies we have myth, magic, and religion, including the myth of providential reason and the religion of progress.

We start to become truly rational when we recognize the rationalization included in our rationality, and recognize our own myths, including the myths of our almighty reason and guaranteed progress. This is why, in educating for the future, we must recognize the principle of rational uncertainty; if rationality does not maintain constant self-critical vigilance it can turn into rationalizing illusion. Which is to say that true rationality is not only theoretical, not only critical, but also self-critical.

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You make some good points, Bob.

I would simply add that "reason," while a very a very important achievement of western culture, is only a stop along the way in terms of our evolution as a species. There are meta-levels of cognition, which we will need to develop if we are to avoid the suicidal course we are on - partly due to a perversion of reason.

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Deism, like any system of religious assumptions has deep flaws. And just like the members of the large organized religions, many people will be unable or unwilling to look deeply and examine flawed assumptions. They, and possibly you, Bob, have become Believers, crippling their discernment in the process.

When reason is coupled with immaturity terrible things can result that are rationalized.

Mumford's analysis of the predicament of present-day "post-historic man" is as profoundly disturbing as they are penetrating:

""the supreme achievement of mathematics and physical science in our time [is that which led to the equation identifying] mass and energy [and] only a mind and method of the highest order could have unlocked these cosmic secrets. But to what end was this consummate feat of intelligence directed?"

While these lethal powers were being multiplied [with all the resources available] - the amount of thought spent on creating the moral and political agents that would be capable of directing such energies to a truly human destination was, by comparison, of pinheaded dimensions."

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