Rob Kall: Who in the US gives Israel so much
power? Israel gets the power from
various sources; AIPAC is the obvious first answer, but AIPAC represents a tiny
percentage of the Jews in this country, certainly not all of them. Is it just AIPAC that gives Israel such
power? Where does it come from? What do you think is the answer to that?
Paul Craig
Roberts: I don't know if I know all the
answer, but it's the power of campaign contributions. It's also the power of AIPAC's power to
demonize people that they think are not sufficiently enough in Israel's
camp. Look what they tried to do to
Chuck Hagel simply because he said "I'm an American Senator, not an Israeli
Senator." They tried to destroy him to
prevent him from being confirmed as Secretary of Defense, simply for saying what
should be obvious to everybody: if
you're an American Senator, you're supposed to be an American Senator, not an
Israeli Senator.
So I think that everybody who has ever tried to stand up for the
Palestinians, or to make just honest and fair criticism of Israel, gets branded
as an anti-Semite; and then the media goes to work on them, and then they lose
the next election. And that's why if
Israel wants a resolution and they bring it to the Congress, it almost always
passes unanimously.
Rob Kall: What about Christian Zionists? What about their role in this?
Paul Craig
Roberts: Well, they're part of the
Israel lobby. I don't know exactly how
it works or why, but we now have - what's tat guy Hagee? Who has that huge church, the pastor?
Rob Kall: Yes.
Paul Craig
Roberts: Who has told them that they're
supposed to worship Israel not Jesus? I
don't know where this stuff comes from (laughs), you know. Who knows, maybe
he's on AIPAC's payroll. How would you
know? I'm not saying he is, I don't know. I'm just saying there's a whole range of
possible answers, but it's for certain that the Israel lobby, however big it
is, and whoever all it encompasses, is very careful about demonizing anybody
that it thinks is not sufficiently pro-Zionist.
Rob Kall: I agree with that conclusion. I really believe that it's impossible for a
member or a candidate for the Congress to speak out or even question the policy
of Israel without being attacked with major funding in primaries for somebody
who will just go along totally with the party line. I think Ron Paul was a very rare exception
who was able to withstand it. There's
hardly anybody who can.
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