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Interview: McCain Fellow Hanoi Hilton POW & Naval Academy Dorm-mate

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Butler: It's the "Crooked Talk Express".

Kall: Crooked talk Express, Yeah.

Butler: The guy changes--lately, and I think this is a more recent phenomenon; I think when the guy was first in the Senate, that he did kind of vote his conscience and go along, though I think he still tested the wind and did things that he would get some notoriety for, but nevertheless, in recent years, he has done everything he can, and I just know--you can just see the body language and you just know that he can't stand George W. Bush, and for him to do that after the things that Bush and his group to him in that election was--just made me sick to watch that, just pure politics in action.

Kall: So to kind of wrap up here now, knowing John McCain as you know him so well from the time you've spent with him both as a student and as a prisoner of war, how would you see him operating as President that scares you or concerns you? What would be some of the ways that he would function, and in a way that we wouldn't want to see him as President, if he became President?

Butler: I would totally completely expect four more of the last eight years.

Kall: In what way?

Butler: In every way: in the Neo Con thinking; the insulated decision making; not listening to the members of the Cabinet; listening to an insulated, closed group of right-wing, politically oriented Neo Conservatives.

I would expect him to be bellicose to other countries like Iran, I would expect him, if he took a notion, to launch missiles if something irritated him or something ticked him off.

I just would expect him to be a hair trigger kind of President; I would expect him to not really see the world of nations in all of their complexity, in all of their cultures, in all of their religions and all of the different points of view in ways of doing life, I could not expect John McCain to be a student of that, and to try to understand it, just like George Bush has not done.

Kall: Is he an intolerant man?

Butler: I'm sorry is he what?

Kall: intolerant--of those differences?

Butler: I guess--(Rob's assistant announces time is up).

(Laughs) "Saved by the bell"

Kall: This is Rob Kall; I've been talking to Phillip Butler. Retired U.S. Navy Commander, a Vietnam POW who was a prisoner of war with John McCain. Wow, what a story!

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