R.K.: But let's say that he took the moderate approach that you did as a concerned loyal American and didn't take data and just went to the Intelligence Committee and said I have got a problem, there's a problem happening in NSA, I want to tell you about it. Which is what people have said that he should have done, going through the system, which is what you did, right?
W.B.: That's right. And when we went through that system doing that, all that did was bring us to their attention and then when it got leaked they blamed us and tried to frame us with - the Department of Justice tried to frame us. They sent the FBI at us and try to intimidate us and keep us quiet and over several years they attempted to indict us three separate times.
We were smart enough to be able to assemble the information that was exculpatory and would have made them look like they were pursuing malicious prosecution on us and we basically threatened them of that and that is the only thing that stopped them. Otherwise we could have ended up in jail because if you didn't know how to stop them, I mean you were really in bad shape.
R.K.: So if Snowden has done what you did, he would have probably been treated at least as badly as you were treated and what they tried to do with you was to put you in jail and prosecute you and they have continued to attempt to ruin your life. Isn't that true?
W.B.: Yes, that's right.
R.K.: So anybody that -
W.B.: I mean they destroyed our business where we were working and trying to get business, they destroyed that. They also took away our clearances and black balled us getting any kind of work anywhere around the government, anywhere.
R.K.: So what will you say to one of these pundits who have said that Snowden could have done it within the law -
W.B.: They're lying...
R.K.: or the members of Congress, what would you say to -
W.B.: I would say they're lying, that doesn't work.
R.K.: What would you say to Peter King?
W.B.: Peter King? I would say he doesn't understand the process that the government operates under. Or he's just, if he's saying it would work it's just a lie.
R.K.: Okay. So -
W.B.: After all, Whistleblowers are trying to point out things that are wrong that they should take corrective action against, and all they have been doing is treating Whistleblowers that way. What does that say to any Whistleblower like Edward Snowden? That tells to him he can't go that way because obviously look what happens, right?
R.K.: Okay, kind of throw in whatever else you have got to say about Edward Snowden and what he has done because I want to move on to some other things but I would like to really thoroughly cover Edward Snowden.