Mark Taliano [00:37:53] We are definitely the terrorists. OK? The global war on terror is a fraud. It's a total fraud. It's a program to create Islamophobia and to go after terrorists that we create and support. The terrorists, they are proxies on the ground in Syria. And our governments despite the words that come from politicians' mouths, our governments are deep state agencies that actually create Islamophobia. That's their intent. And Justice Bruce proved that when a bunch of security personnel, governing agencies, Canadian government agencies, set up two hapless people and framed them for kettle pot bombing on Canada Day years ago. The judge said, "That's not your job to do this. You're not supposed to be creating terrorism." But that's exactly what these government employees were doing. They were creating Islamophobia on purpose. Okay so there's a big propaganda war and is a big military psychological operation. The war on terror is a fraud. We are supporting the terrorists.
John Shuck [00:39:12] Well let's continue this conversation because I want to go in the sense of terms of propaganda, I guess I would say. the role of the media. I'm talking about the Western media in Syria. What has happened? Are there no media from the West in Syria?
Mark Taliano [00:39:35] Well the media has been corrupted. Empire corrupts basically everything it touches. The media has been corrupted. For example, the White Helmets. The White Helmets are sources of information for various so-called NGOs which are not nongovernmental. They're foundation funded and government funded. They are a source of information for Amnesty International and for our governments and the White Helmets are auxiliaries to al-Qaida. They work with al-Qaida. When Vanessa Beeley goes to Syria she goes to an area that was occupied by al-Qaeda or ISIS or other affiliated terrorists and a White Helmet building is always there. OK. And their equipment and their money comes from the West and they hoard medicine. But it is a very evil side. Some of them are terrorists actually. You know they terrorists by night, White Helmets by day sort of thing. But there is also plenty of evidence indicating organ trafficking. OK. There's a very nefarious side to these White Helmets. They're not independent at all. They're paid for by Canada, by the U.S. They are agencies of the empire which daily commits supreme international war crimes in Syria. That's the ugly side to this. War through deception. And our media plays a huge role in this apparatus of deception and White Helmets play a starring role in that.
John Shuck [00:41:21] Well the movie about them won an Oscar.
Mark Taliano [00:41:24] Yeah.
John Shuck [00:41:26] My guests are Mark Taliano and Reverend Andrew Ashdown talking about Syria. Reverend Andrew Ashdown, talk a little bit more about the Christian witness and presence in Syria now.
Andrew Ashdown [00:41:41]The Christian presence is quite remarkable as I said. there are five Christian families actually. All of them are present in Syria and have been for centuries. However it's been severely affected by the war. It's estimated that about half the number of Christians have left the country. But that means that half still are there. Those that have left from either from areas that have been occupied by the militant groups or I've seen the Christian villages that have been literally destroyed by the terrorist groups or shelled. I was in Aleppo during the final battles for East Aleppo and many churches were shelled and bombed by them, by the terrorists then. And you also have many Christians who have connections with the West or whatever who've left because of the very difficult war situation and also because the economic situation as well. Yet the Christians that remain there are inspiring in terms of their service. The projects that are being done by all the Christian denominations to serve the local communities, to serve internally displaced, for the elderly, for the children, for education to schools, for those traumatized by the war, practically helping to rebuild houses and all that sort of thing. Numerous projects. Enabling new people to start up new businesses. Numerous projects organized by all the church denominations on the ground. Amazing work being done. We don't hear about any of this. And all the churches actually are utterly opposed to the Western stance against Syria. As they say, you know, if if the terrorists that the West support took over Syria you would lose Christianity completely from Syria. It would be gone. So there is much that we just don't hear about. I want to just affirm, that actually since those terrorist controlled areas when they are liberated, the pace of change is remarkable. I was in East Aleppo just months afterI was actually there when East Aleppo was finally liberated, and went into East Aleppo liberated areas immediately after. Very quickly the streets were being cleared within a few months. Shops were being reopened. People were returning to their houses. I think it's about 800,000 people returned to the Aleppo area since they have been liberated from the terrorists. And the degree of life returns.
John Shuck [00:44:24] And when you are saying liberated, just to make sure people are clear, that is liberated by the Syrian army. The Government.
Andrew Ashdown [00:44:31]Exactly. Liberated by the Syrian army from the terrorists. And remember these are extremist brutal terrorist groups that we are supporting. And the Syrian army, I've seen them in action. Remember the Syrian army are the Syrian people. Most of these terrorist groups are you know, they are Afghans, Chechnyans. You know people from Pakistan. From all over the world. Tens of thousands of foreign fighters. There are Syrians amongst them. But there are tens of thousands of foreign fighters. The Syrian army is the Syrian brothers, sons, daughters, uncles, husbands. And what's not often mentioned is it's estimated 100,000 Syrian soldiers have been killed during the war. Now many of those have been brutally murdered.
John Shuck [00:45:21] Let me get that figure correct. 100,000? 100,000 Syrian soldiers?
Andrew Ashdown [00:45:25]Exactly. That's never mentioned in the figures that are bandied about. That's never mentioned. And these are Syrians. And they're Sunnis. The majority of Syrian soldiers are Sunnis. That's never mentioned. They're very loyal to the country and they're loved by the people because they are the Syrian people. And the loss to Syria trying to protect its people, trying to protect the nation from pretty well foreign invasion is absolutely vast. And of course there are many Christians amongst the Syrian army as well. And they're fighting for freedom, they're fighting for to secure the secular constitution of the state they're fighting for their country.
John Shuck [00:46:08] Let's talk a little bit about the feeling. I watched a video on Mark Taliano's website Mark Taliano Dot Net. Vanessa Beeley recorded a bombing, there, a big missile, not some small rocket against a church. The people were being interviewed there expressed really an incredible resiliency. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Andrew Ashdown [00:46:38]I think this is this is absolutely true. I've been in similar places, I've been with Vanessa and some of the folks. I was with Vanessa and in Aleppo and East Aleppo was finally liberated and went in the next day with her to some of those areas. The resilience is absolutely phenomenal and the determination of people to stay. The determination of many to actually try and even forgive which is a really hard one. But to rebuild to carry on in a situation that feels so desperate. And while the situation is improving the security situation is improving wherever the terrorists moved out and areas are liberated. The security situation improves. What's often not mentioned for example in Aleppo. Dozens of schools have reopened in East Aleppo. Clinics are reopening in East leppo. All this thing is happening, a reopening of things and the old city is being restored at a rapid pace. None of this was mentioned though. But the economic situation is dire and people are dying because of the sanctions which is quite deliberate because it's all done to destabilise, further destabilise the Syrian state. So there's no sense in which we are trying to sort the war out. We're actually trying to prolong it. Why? Because we haven't succeeded in our goal which is regime change for all our own interests and agendas which have nothing to do with human rights but everything to do with geopolitics as we were talking about earlier.
John Shuck [00:48:17] Andrew Ashdown, Reverend Andrew Ashdown from the UK and Mark Taliano from Canada. Both of you from the West. You've both been to Syria. How were you personally received?
Mark Taliano [00:48:27] Either one?
John Shuck [00:48:29] Both of you. Yeah sure go ahead Mark.