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Heidi Boghosian; Corporate and Government Collusion-- Spying on Democracy-- Interview Transcript

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H.B.: Thank you for being a hero and a true patriot, for coming forth as whistleblowers, as sharers of information that you believe would make us a better society for knowing that.  And for doing so at enormous personal cost.  And these are definitely the heroes of our time and I think we're going to be seeing a lot more as our government become more covert unless our legislators listen to the people and start pressuring for big changes.

R.K.: Alright.  You said you would give me a half an hour.  Our last question, you talk in the book about police perjury, everyday we're hearing stories about police murdering people without any accountability.  Can you talk a little bit to that subject?  Of police breaking the law in different ways?

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H.B.: This is a complicated troubling subject because everyday we hear about instances in which the police for example may shoot an unarmed person, engage in a really excessive use of force, and then ruin so many families, devastate communities when really nothing is done in terms of punishment.  

It's a difficult issue because police are afforded discretion and are able to use force in the line of duty.  I think that things like the "stop and frisk" trial in New York City where we're going to have more monitoring of that by independent individuals, you know I think, again, litigation, public outcry is essential.  

When a community is devastated because of a death at the hands of law enforcement officer, when the individual wasn't doing anything wrong, it's again a case where we have to have community outrage, public pressure to the city council members, local officials, protests, and more individuals calling for outside monitors to hopefully press for a change in this.  It's just been really an epidemic of tragedy. 

R.K.: You mention New York City, it looks like the next mayor is going to be a pretty liberal guy.  How do you think he will stand up to Ray Kelly, who to me seems like a horrible fascist?

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H.B.: Well it's of course in the next mayor's discretion to appoint a new police head.  So I'm not sure Ray Kelly will be staying on but certainly Mr. Kelly has built probably, if not the top counter-terrorism and police department intelligence unit in the world; it's up there.  So we do have a lot of policing going on, a lot of intelligence gathering going on in this city, and a lot of activists being watched by the NYPD so I would assume that Ray Kelly may be moving on from here.

R.K.: Okay, good chance he might be appointed the next Homeland Security Czar.

H.B.: Possibly.

R.K.: Well this has been great.  I'm going to let you go because you offered to give me thirty minutes and I really appreciate it.  You've written a powerful book that we have barely touched anything about.  It's just loaded with information.  God Bless you, you've been doing great work, keep it up, I hope we can have you back soon.

H.B.: Thank you so much.

R.K.: Keep up the great work and have a great day.

H.B.: Thank you, you too.  Bye bye.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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