AMY GOODMAN: And, of course, you have the situation where President Trump has shut down the government over getting $5 billion for the border wall. And in this shutdown, hundreds, if not thousands -- I don't know -- of CBP border agents are not being paid. They're part of the program of being -- of their salaries being cut at this point, to be paid in the future.
DYLAN CORBETT: That's right. And it's all about, you know, a border wall. And the border wall, it has to be said, this is not a solution to a problem. This is an invented solution to a problem that doesn't exist. The border will not -- the border wall will not make us more safe. El Paso, Texas, I'm right on the border. Outside my window I can see my sister city of Ciudad Jua'rez in Mexico. We are one of the safest cities in the country. We don't need a border wall to keep us safe. Terrorists have not passed through our southern border. A border will not -- a border wall will not address the drivers of migration. People will continue to come from countries like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador until we address the root causes of migration.
AMY GOODMAN: Dylan, we want to thank --
DYLAN CORBETT: A border wall will not stop drugs.
AMY GOODMAN: We want to thank you very much for being with us. And, of course, CBP is Customs and Border Protection. That's what it stands for. Dylan Corbett is executive director of Hope Border Institute in El Paso, Texas.
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