Here's how he's going to lose them. There's going to be 20 who are going to be deathly afraid there are already five or six Republicans that are afraid they're going to lose their Senate seat this coming year. But there will be 10 Republicans, of the 53, who are going to be scared to death that they are going to be removed, either in 2020, 2022 or 2024. And they are going to, out of self-interest, not go down with the ship, not go down with Trump. And they are going to vote to remove him because of what's been revealed. That's 10.
The other 10 is the royal we'll call the religious 10, led by Mitt Romney. These are people, for their own reasons no judgment but they actually do believe. They're real believers. And they have had to hold their nose at the immorality of this guy, the nose that Christianity Today could no longer hold, when they wrote that editorial that he has to go. There are 10. I believe there are 10 true believers, who believe in their Christianity enough to where they find him repulsive, repugnant, and stands for against everything, the things that they believe in. And there are going to be 10 of those, led by Romney, that are going to say, "I, morally, cannot support this any longer." I want to believe, of the 53, there are 10 who have a conscience and who truly believe in their Christianity, or their Mormonism, to the point where they are not going to attach themselves throughout history to this man. They don't want their kids to grow up, their grandkids to grow up to be like this. It's an awful, awful thing. They know it. A lot of them know it inside.
AMY GOODMAN: How does Nancy Pelosi guarantee this?
MICHAEL MOORE: Well, she does it
AMY GOODMAN: How does she get this promise?
MICHAEL MOORE: She's doing what she can do right now by not giving them the articles of impeachment. There's going to be a big fight. This could end up in court. This could but she did I think she did the right thing. And I think that if she's successful, if witnesses the latest poll on that one, 72% of the American public believe that witnesses should be called. Even Republicans believe that. The witnesses should be called. If Bolton is called, if Bolton tells the truth of what's on that server, boom. Mic drop.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: But no Republican in the House supported either article of impeachment.
MICHAEL MOORE: Right, yeah. Well, because they still think they can get away with it. The key factor here is the revelation of more than just Ukraine, of things that really affect people in their daily lives. You know, how many times have we seen in the past when the mic is accidentally left on and some politician says how much they don't give a crap about the working person, or, well, Mitt Romney himself, when it was left on, talking about all those have-nots, all the takers. You know, man, I mean, I'm telling you, something even far worse than that has been hidden on that server. They don't want the American people to hear it, because if the American people heard it, even people that don't share my politics would say that's enough. And there would be, hopefully, 10 senators who want to get re-elected and maybe might not now, and they're going to look out for themselves. And there's going to be 10 who actually live by a code, and they have for now three years subjugated that. They've bowed down to the devil. And they know it, and they feel awful about it, and they are going to they're going to say, "Enough," once we hear what else is on that server.
That's my there's my optimistic, possible scenario of what could happen. I know everybody is full of, "No, it's not going to happen. Nothing we can do." But I know I am not a cynic. I am an optimist. I do believe but I don't believe in hope. I am against hope. I am, seriously. I think hope is a fool's errand right now. We need action. I don't need anybody sitting around hoping. Forget hope. Get up. Rise up. Turn off the TV. Put down your device. Get out there and be involved, you know, in your neighborhood. Just decide right now. The primaries are coming up. The caucuses are coming up. Just get involved. If you don't want to work with the local Democrats, don't. Organize people yourself. Appoint yourself neighborhood captain for Bernie. Don't even bother the campaign with it. I mean, they probably don't like me saying this, but I just think if people will just take their government in their own hands and do it right now don't do it in May, do it now we have a chance here. We have a fighting chance.
AMY GOODMAN: You say, Michael, that if the election were held today, Trump would win. Let's go to Trump on impeachment night. Just as Nancy Pelosi was saying, yes, that President Trump was impeached, and reading the numbers, the vote, 230, 229, he was speaking in your home state of Michigan. He was speaking in Battle Creek.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: With today's illegal, unconstitutional and partisan impeachment, the do-nothing Democrats and they are do nothing; all they want to do is focus on this, what they could be doing are declaring their deep hatred and disdain for the American voter. This lawless, partisan impeachment is a political suicide march for the Democrat Party. Have you seen my polls in the last four weeks? It's crazy.
AMY GOODMAN: So, that's President Trump, impeachment night, in your state. But interestingly, you kind of agree with him. You think he would win now.
MICHAEL MOORE: I think if the election were held today Hillary won by 3 million popular votes. I believe whoever the Democrat is next year is going to win by 4 to 5 million popular votes. There's no question in my mind that people who stayed home, who sat on the bench, they're going to pour out, in California, New York and you know, but also in Texas and whatever, I mean, places that Trump will probably win, but, yeah, there's going to be a much higher percentage of people voting against him.
The problem is, is that he will if the vote were today, I believe, he would win the electoral states that he would need, because, living out there, I will tell you, his level of support has not gone down one inch. In fact, I'd say it's even more rabid than it was before, because they're afraid now. They're afraid he could lose, because they watched his behavior. So they are voracious in their appetite for Donald Trump. That's the bad news.
The good news is, again, number one, never forget, there's more of us than there are of them. The majority of the American people agree with us. Seventy percent of the voters next year are women, people of color and young adults. OK? All that on our side.
So, what we have to do is we have to make sure we don't give them another Hillary Clinton to vote for. The Democrats who are encouraging moderation, go to the center you know, "Let's not upset the angry white guys" that's really what it is. You know, the voter they're trying to convince "That's why we've got to have Biden. You know, we've got to have Klobuchar. We've got to have somebody that is somewhere there, wherever that middle is now." There's really nobody in that middle, by the way. Even the Fox News poll last week showed that 54% supported impeachment and conviction, and 40-some percent didn't. And then they asked the question: How many of you would support impeachment but no removal? It was at 4%, 5%. I mean, it was like there's nobody in that trying to have it both ways. So, it is polarized, but for a good reason. Polarization is always talked about like it's a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. I think if you think women should have the right to vote, I don't think there's a middle position on that. You either believe that women should vote or women shouldn't vote. You either believe that a fertilized egg is a human being or not. There's no middle ground there.
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