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For example, the people of a seceded, independent South Carolina might want to outlaw abortion and you'd say, well, alright if that's the absolute popular vote, then that's what we'll do. We can continue to work to change people's minds and we have seen how that works. The whole question of gay tolerance and gay marriage, we've seen how that has changed vastly in this country. But you don't want to dictate beforehand exactly what the new independent state is going to be. You let it decide for itself.

Well anyway, that's sedition. That's sedition and that's what I put out, contrasting it to the terrible government that we had last year that just made clear at every point that it was too big to decide things, that it was split, that it was given to incompetence, that it was corrupt, or all of the pork barrel stuff that goes on.

R.K.: Now we're in agreement there, we agree. Now let me"We agree. We agree completely about how the current state is" the United States and the government, but let me ask you a couple more questions. Kind of being a newbie at this idea, are there current examples of nations that have seceded successfully and that are now thriving?

K.S.: Well, you could take Norway. That's one of the earliest examples. Belgium, if you like, yeah. Lichtenstein and all of the nations formed by the collapse of the Soviet Union. Many of them you wouldn't want to live in, but they seem to be as successful as nations, most of them, as they were as Soviet Republics in the Soviet Union. You know, of course, that there is a vote in Scotland that is coming up in the fall for Scotland to secede from Great Britain.

There's a strong movement in Catalonia for secession. The Quebecois are talking about that in Canada again. And distaste with the current political parties has given new strength to the Quebecois party which is working for secession. All of the former states of Yugoslavia are independent with varying degrees of success, but nobody thinks that they aren't capable of being viable countries. This has happened, as I say, for the whole latter part of the 20th century. States have seceded and done it successfully.

R.K.: Okay. Fair enough. And it sure seems like something that the US wouldn't allow. On the other hand, I think there are a lot of people who would want to see some states secede. Like I wouldn't mind...

K.S.: I agree.

R.K.: There are a bunch of states that I would happy to see secede. What about...now, look on the other side, look at Europe and how in Europe the states that are independent have joined together. What have we learned from the European Union and the way that these independent nations have combined together to form the European Union and a single monetary...

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